Powerbow

Originally posted by matt read what i wrote mate, 'bowed bats came to be because the indians couldn't figure out how to press them straight'. and what you wrote is poor grammer.

I thought I made my point, you did not agree with me though. But still I am sure that Indian bats are not bowed only because the Indians do not know the art of pressing the bats straight.

The power bow, as is apparent from its name, is meant to give some additional power behind the ball while striking it. Thats all I meant. You can disagree at the point, as it is your birth right to disagree on anything and express your own point of view.

 

   So called pro willow is not as dense,so you can get much bigger profiles for the same weight,and if pressed correctly will be top bats.

Normally the willow supplier would not weight the clefts they would just grade them,you would only get about 10 % of this type out of a tree if you are lucky

These points are just my views .

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

   Hi Matt,

              I have been with willow and cricket for over 40 years,and i am still learning about the bat making game,teach a wise bat maker something he will be a wiser bat maker!

Regarding your comments about putting the bow into the blade,i can put no bow or a massive with out pressing it to hard,and i have only one roller on my press.

I can remember when a old bat that had seen some hard cricket and had been wet then dry many times would have a natural bow with out being pressed to achieve this,i am not sure but you can bet that it may have got  the bow started , that is only a thought.

We press on average about 20 passes in 2 stages,we test in between finishing the bat.We have indoor nets here at the workshop, fully floodlit not only that, the customer can try the bat out before we finish it,with cricket balls.

Our pressing is done by hand by that i mean we do not have a electric motor on the press,so hand pressed,you can feel and hear the willow,ie listen to hear if the cleft is cracking,i could go on and on but,i am not giving too much away at this stage.

 

Bad pressing can wreak a good cleft and careful pressing can turn an ordinary cleft into a decent bat, put both of these factors together and you should produce a top bat.

With regarding small bat making companies not getting good willow or that the big companies get better willow,is in my opinion is not excactly true, if you agree that the big firms order large amounts of willow, they will have to take other grades as well,and you can only get a certain amount of top clefts out of a tree, plus small firms like ourselves can get thier willow weighed? if you are in the trade you will know what i am talking about?

There are other points i would like to air but i think i have said enough for the time being,but for one important point, the small firms can give something that the bigger ones can not and thats personal service,it is a trade off,get big and rich  and loose the personal touch, we will remain small and keep in touch with cricketers and make more good friends.

These are not necessarily the only views that are correct, and i must say if you represent the company i think you do, they do make some excellent bats.

 

Bill Cornford, Fusion Sports.

 

 

just telling you the way it is. too press a bat, three rollers are needed to keep it straight. when the indians first started to make bats they used presses that had only one roller, and it bowed the bat, so they made  'em that way and all players just got used to it, and now most bats are bowed.

clobber. my comments on indian bat making is how it is mate. i make bats for a living and my boss has spent alot of time in india setting up the  world wide cricket factory, so i do know what im am talking about.

oh and as for the continuing talk about the quality of wood out there...
the 'big' companies have the buying power and demand the best timer because they spend 'alot' more money than your little lesser known brands. thats the way it is kids.

i also do the repairs at work and we would get about 50 to 80 bats a week during the cricket season, so i get to see alot of different makes and models. so i can tell you from experience that the best timber is bought up by the big companies.

you may not like or agree with what ive said.....but im sick of reading the b.s. that gets around about all this.

oh.... and at the end of each work day i love testing all the bats that come in.  so ive got a fair idea about alot of different bats.

Originally posted by matt read what i wrote mate, 'bowed bats came to be because he indians couldn't figure out how to press them straight'. and what you wrote is poor grammer.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Greenhouses, stones, throwing.

Get the picture?

read what i wrote mate, 'bowed bats came to be because the indians couldn't figure out how to press them straight'.
and what you wrote is poor grammer.


Edited by matt

i dont like baging other cricket manufatures i think its poor form....but i will say this this about indian cricket bats
....they are made there because the labour is cheap
....alot of the workers are poorley skilled (lack of education when its comes to the bat making process)
....its so damn hot over there alot of the bats are too dry (8% moisture is the norm) and do tend to break more due to cracks from the pressing process
....bowed bats came about because the bat makers couldn't figure out how to press them straight.

bats made from india are not rubbish...i just think that there are better manufatures of cricket bats out there...

I thought Puma bats came out of India, with the stickers being made in Australia? Not to say bats out of India aint good they are superb. Maybe Matt knows the answer.

So long as it doesn't happen all the time I can handle that.

matt, stop typing in capitals - robdawg has been banned so he's not going to be able to answer your questions is he now?

robdawg.... i dont know where u get your information from but you have made some serious claims.....
I HAVE KNOWN STUART FOR OVER 10 YEARS AND HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR HIM AT GRAY-NICOLLS FOR OVER 12 MONTHS NOW.

QUOTE=robdawg
gray nic u shouldnt worry about it because there crappy wood and they dont have there master bat makers make them.
....WE ORDER THE PREMIUM TIMBER FROM OUR SUPPLIER.  STUART MAKES ALL THE  GRAY-NICOLLS SPONSORED PLAYERS BATS, TEST AND STATE.

 

There's a link at the start of the 'Best Cricket Bat' thread on General.

 

They look absolutely amazing

Originally posted by robdawg boys trust me get bradburies,fusion or laver and wood or even an impala cricket bat unless your gonna pay top price for a kookaburra,gray nic u shouldnt worry about it because there crappy wood and they dont have there master bat makers make them i work for puma and we make some quality bats but it comes down to your perference as well you cant get these bats over the net but screaming cats are made by julian millichamp who makes bats for australias damien martyn, adam gilchrist they are available from alot of australian stores bradburies used by justin langer, ricky ponting, michael clarke fusion used by alot of county players and many english players (im aussie so i cant name all of them lol) laver and wood are used by many state and international players but they dont talk much about them and players will never admit that because of contract deals now dont get me wrong the top expensive gray nics and kookaburras are good aswell but the aulity of the wood isnt as good as a bradbury scremaing cat laver and wood or a fusion because these bats can be made to your preferences and are well balnced with the best possible wood for a reasonable price remeber youll be using test match quality equipment

 

Web page for this, i'd like to check them out?

get a kookaburra genesis then if u love kookaburra so much ill admit that that is the only good kookaburra

just get a bat thats suits you