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sam_ahmed
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Topic: Tri Series in Zimbabwe Posted: 28 May 2010 at 7:32pm |
The tri series in Zimbabwe involving India and Srilanka has already begun.
Zimbabwe beat India in the first match and I must say I'm not at all surprised by this. Given India's squad I had said before that a first round exit is very much a possibility.
from ZIM's side it was that man again, Brendon Taylor who scored a fine 81 and C.Ervine towards the end who guided them home. Taylor is undoubtedly one of the finest players around.
A very fine century by Rohit Sharma goes in vain... but Rohit certainly is a very fine prospect.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 3:55am |
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Where are you Raj?? This is another prove of how weak Indian bowling is this is India's Bench strength?
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Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speed 2,3,4,5,7,8,9 to be witnessed in IPL only.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 4:23am |
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India played 3 rubbish medium pacers and paid the price. Seriously, even that batting --- they were 3/60 until Sharma came to the rescue. India has such a large pool of players and such a large percentage of the population playing cricket but there are few natural talents.It's hard to fathom why next door in Pakistan they have pacer after pacer bowling 145kph plus with movement both ways, but India can't even nurture one talent. It must be down to genetics... I know a lot of the population of Pakistan ethnically comes from the west, Persian, Ottoman and Arab descendancy... these people are known for being strong. Indians are lacking that strength I think.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 5:18am |
I will say money(IPL) is the big reason.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 7:01am |
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Actually I disagee! For real, how many top quality FAST bowlers have India produced? Dev , Srinath and Zaheer Khan are the only ones of repute who consistently took wickets and were able to shake up batsmen at times. Even then, Dev wasn't that lively and Khan's emergence has only been in the last couple of years. Ishant Sharma has the height and pace to trouble the best, ask Ponting, but he has ZERO rhythm.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 7:11am |
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Apart from the reasons mentioned above, I think it could also come down to the fact that most of the Indian youngsters follow their batting idols and want to emulate them rather than wanting to become a genuine fast bowler. However, on the whole I think India suffer largely from the fact that most of the young players are over hyped and are made to look like heros overnight which is ridiculous. Irfan and Ishant for example could have developed into good fast bowlers but were undone by the media and hype.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 11:53am |
Originally posted by mystery
Where are you Raj?? This is another prove of how weak Indian bowling is this is India's Bench strength? |
I am always here Mystery, but I don't understand why you get so much exicted every now and then when India loses a match.Get this clear one match or one series does not say anything. One more thing, even if this Indian team manages to win the tournament, It would not mean that our bench strength is the best , and if it looses (We Indians will never crib saying it was second string team or whatever, we don't crib) it does not mean they are have the worst bench strength.
Mate, have patience a team success is seen in how they are performing over a certain period of time. The winning percentage, the ranking all that matters.
I really didn't want to respond to some serious lack of common sense and logical reasoning about lack of strength and production of fast bowlers in India becasue Indian lack strength  .Now then, there are so many power hitters in India batsman who are very very strong.Where does that power come from?
The real reasons is there is very less population of cricketers who want to become fast bowlers.Sam is absolutely right, right from early days always batsman have been idolised that is why we don't find fast bowlers in India.
WI used to produce deadly batsman and bowlers , now they don't , reason it many have taken up NBA and other sports.It is just as simple as that.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 11:55am |
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Yes, 5 foot tall Sachin smashes the biggest sixes in the world because he is super strong. You're a clever one Raj...
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 11:57am |
Originally posted by mystery
Where are you Raj?? This is another prove of how weak Indian bowling is this is India's Bench strength? |
Rohit played few very good knocks of late. Did I post about him being how good or how great his innings were?.
I give time for everything.So don't expect me to give explanations on every Indian loss.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 11:58am |
Originally posted by milkman
Yes, 5 foot tall Sachin smashes the biggest sixes in the world because he is super strong. You're a clever one Raj... |
Do you know something called "Cutting your strokes" to prolong your career in cricket?
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 12:04pm |
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 12:08pm |
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Different sort of core strength needed to be able to bowl fast. Bowling FAST comes naturally. You can go train for hours upon hours, increase your shoulder and back muscles and do leg training and still bowl 120kph. Obviously the genetics is not there among the Indians and that's a fact Raj. Even the diet of the Indians is totally wrong. A lot of your people are vegetarians... you need protein to recover your muscles and increase muscle mass.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 12:09pm |
Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84
Originally posted by milkman
Yes, 5 foot tall Sachin smashes the biggest sixes in the world because he is super strong. You're a clever one Raj... | Do you know something called "Cutting your strokes" to prolong your career in cricket? |
You missed my point. You can hit the ball far, long and hard and not be a Hayden or Symonds. A big bat and super timing, with a good eye and technique and you can hit big sixes............. just like Sachin has for 20 years.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 12:16pm |
Mate it all about fast twitch muscles, the more it is practiced the more strong and fast they respond.Do you really think Steyn, Aamir, Sami, Bond, Lee are very very strong.They practised fast bowling. I was a very very lean fellow.I used to bowl very fast , much faster than high non veg diet guys. Javagal srinath was a veggie. Strength and Non-Veg do not have any relation.Get real.
EDIT: Plus I knew lot of other guys who were pure veggies , they were very athletic,strong and bowling fast too.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 12:51pm |
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Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Imran, Zaheer Khan, Zahid, Aamer.... all Muslims who have meat diets and many of those are Pathans or other Afghan/Persian related ethnicities. I definitely think there is a correlation between the ethnic background and performance, it's in the DNA. Fastest sprinters are Black, best long distance runners from Ethiopia, Kenya (East Africa) and Berbers from Morocco.... best gymnasts from Eastern Europe... best weightlifters from Turkey and Iran. It's genetics mate.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 12:57pm |
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I'd just like to add here that Zimbabwe played a good game of cricket on Friday - they won the game as much as India lost it. I don't care who you are or what team you pick, to chase down 280-plus takes some doing and they managed their run chase brilliantly.
Let's not forget that India were 56 without loss after nine overs and Chigumbura conceded 36 in two - that took some coming back from.
The key for them will be if they can produce that sort of performance more often.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 1:02pm |
Now you would even say brain is genetic , and credit Indians very intelligent coz they are genetically intelligent.Come on , get real! and give some creidt to hard work mate.For any feild you need hard work and dedication.That's it.
Now comming back to cricket , it is really refreshing Zim performing well. Good for world cricket.Recently they played well in few warm up matches , now they beat India.Good signs that.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 1:06pm |
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There are many factors, mostly genetics, environment and hard work. Pitches are low in India, because of this environmental factor many Indian batsmen are very wristy and legside favoured and as a consequence some don't adapt to bouncy, pacy wickets. But then you do get genetic factors coming in, it's a fact of life Raj.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 1:22pm |
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Chasing 243 , Indian team is 55-2.Sharma and Kohli playing.Raina,Yousuf and Jadeja yet to come. I feel Kohli and Sharma have to play very well and put up a decent partnership otherwise it might get tougher and tougher for India.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 1:36pm |
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242 shouldn't be enough for Sri Lanka to win, but you never know...it could still go either way. A good test for those players you mentioned Raj
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 1:41pm |
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I fear Jadeja and Yousuf (and the rest to follow , actually nothing much ) capable of constantly negotiating Randiv and Mendis spin wizardry for a sustained period of time till the end,so it could get tricky.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 1:50pm |
Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84
Originally posted by mystery
Where are you Raj?? This is another prove of how weak Indian bowling is this is India's Bench strength? | Rohit played few very good knocks of late. Did I post about him being how good or how great his innings were?.
I give time for everything.So don't expect me to give explanations on every Indian loss. |
When?? i just saw 2 one vs Australia and than against Zimbabwe who dont have any top class bowlers.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 1:55pm |
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Get along with the cricket tri-series mate. No more Rohit discussions please.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 1:55pm |
Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84
Originally posted by mystery
Where are you Raj?? This is another prove of how weak Indian bowling is this is India's Bench strength? | I am always here Mystery, but I don't understand why you get so much exicted every now and then when India loses a match.Get this clear one match or one series does not say anything. One more thing, even if this Indian team manages to win the tournament, It would not mean that our bench strength is the best , and if it looses (We Indians will never crib saying it was second string team or whatever, we don't crib) it does not mean they are have the worst bench strength.
Mate, have patience a team success is seen in how they are performing over a certain period of time. The winning percentage, the ranking all that matters.
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India are losing from from a long time but i did not said anything but this lost is against Zimbabwe thats why i was so excited. This clearly shows how much bench strength they have. One thing i can say is their bench strength is one of the worst currently.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 1:56pm |
Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84
Get along with the cricket tri-series mate. No more Rohit discussions please. |
I never said anything about Rohit you started it.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 2:06pm |
Originally posted by mystery
India are losing from from a long time but i did not said anything but this lost is against Zimbabwe thats why i was so excited. This clearly shows how much bench strength they have. One thing i can say is their bench strength is one of the worst currently. |
Last 10 matches records of India in each format Tests:Won - 6,Draw - 3,Lost - 1 ODI:Won - 5,Lost -4,n/r - 1 T20I:Won-3,Lost-7
I did not check out Indian eve's cricket record, or you considered only T20's mystery.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 2:12pm |
Originally posted by mystery
Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84
Get along with the cricket tri-series mate. No more Rohit discussions please. | I never said anything about Rohit you started it. |
Yes, what I meant to say was, give time to put your point across with solid results measured over a concrete period of time. I will definately talk about Rohit, but only after he gets a consistent go in Indian team at the order he is suitable.He is a number #4 player or above that.He will get his consistent chance in couple of years.Maybe that is the time we will sit back and analyze him.
My intention was just to say give time before you place your finger on the trigger, and in the same way don't make player a hero after one or two series.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 2:23pm |
Ok lets see who they played with.
3 vs NZ
3 vs SL
2 vs BD
2 vs SA
In Odi:
2 vs SL
5 vs SL and BD tri series
3 vs SA
again same thing no serious team apart from SA.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 2:32pm |
NZ,SL,BD,SA make 4 teams , India palyed with them.So it means leave 5 out of 9 main teams.Now who are the remaining four teams ?
Aus,Eng,WI and Pak.
Australia and England are good teams for sure, but do you mean to say you can clearly pick favs?. According to me, maybe Australia have head slightly above India in ODI's, but Eng and Aus can't beat (In the order specified) India in Tests for sure.Maybe it can be draw.
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Posted: 30 May 2010 at 3:12pm |
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England's bowling looks weak at the moment. Bresnan opening the bowling!!!!!!???? Jeez, doesn't look too good. Then you have Finn who's still fresh off the FC circuit and then so much is on Swann and Anderson, especially with Broad out of nick. So I think India would have an edge over them. Australia has been in good touch, lacking a decent spinner, and lacking that aura they once had.
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