Tri Series in Zimbabwe

Originally posted by mystery NZ deserve to play test matches??

Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84   Originally posted by mystery i dont think India will be able to take 20 wickets needed to win Test match against Australia. We will definately be able to take , coz there will be UDRS ( Umpire Decision Review System) next time for sure unlike last time.

Edited by mystery - 30 May 2010 at 6:14pm

Originally posted by mystery Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84   Originally posted by mystery i dont think India will be able to take 20 wickets needed to win Test match against Australia. We will definately be able to take , coz there will be UDRS ( Umpire Decision Review System) next time for sure unlike last time. Last time Indians were not happy with UDRS becuz they lost becuz of it.

There was no UDRS last time around when India played Australia in Australia.

Originally posted by mystery Why do you always bring up that series?? Australia deserve to win that one and they did even UDRS would have been useless.

Now why do I bring that series ? 

Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 31 May 2010 at 3:08am

Decades of rigged umpiring in India until the early 2000s when they brought in neutral umpires and Raj still talks about one Symonds century  because the umpire didn't see a nick. IF INDIA ARE THAT GREAT A BOWLING SIDE THEY WOULD HAVE GOT HIM OUT SOON AFTER THE DECISION WENT AGAINST THEM. Jeeeeez, Raj, it takes one ball to get a batsman out, Symonds faced 200 balls and they couldn't get him. You know what lost the series for India, their whining. You make it out that the Aussies paid the umpires to give decisions in their favour. You're so full of crap, that's how things unfold mate. When Harbhajan took 33 wickets in 2001 I would say at least 10 of those wickets were from dubious LBW/bad pad decisions. Even his hattrick, they referred a catch to the 3rd umpire which they were not allowed to do at the time. So yes, Australia lost that series 2-1, maybe they should have won it. Who CARES, it's in the past. If India toured Australia right now I'd put my money on Australia because pace bowlers take the wickets in Brisbane, Perth and Melbourne. Even Pakistan's decent attack, which is better than India's by far was no match for Australia... and I think Australia's batting easily matches India's.


Edited by milkman - 31 May 2010 at 3:43am

Biggest joke I've ever read in my life. Actually ask any Australia cricketers from the 70s and 80s how often they won in Pakistan and India and they'll say the same thing... rigged umpiring. Do you not recall the incident of Gatting and that Paki umpire, whats' his name.. It's been going on for years in India and Pakistan. You know what Raj, there was a black man umpiring in that MCG test, perhaps you should blame the blacks for the poor umpiring? See how ridiculous that is. Australia does not get maximum umpiring decisions their favour... watch the whole 2005 Ashes series and that will be your proof... and Australia LOST.

Originally posted by milkman Biggest joke ... ... and Australia LOST.

Same here, all those super seniors who have been following cricket from 50's say the exact thing about Aus tours and how bad the umpiring was then.They never say anything about umpiring in England,NZ or WI etc..

Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 31 May 2010 at 4:11am

I wish Taufel and Bird stand between next Ind-Aus series down under.Atleast the real worthy will win the series. EDIT: That is the problem , Taufel is Australian and he is an excellent and best umpire who does not get intimitaded. Now as per rule he can't stand in Test matches involving Australia. A clear blessing in disguise for Aussies.

Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 31 May 2010 at 4:16am

Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84 I wish Taufel and Bird stand between next Ind-Aus series down under.Atleast the real worthy will win the series. EDIT: That is the problem , Taufel is Australian and he is an excellent and best umpire who does not get intimitaded. Now as per rule he can't stand in Test matches involving Australia. A clear blessing in disguise for Aussies.

Australia have as many decisions going against them as for them. Australia beat SA IN SOUTH AFRICA with UDRS... this was after LOSING to SA at home.

Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84 Originally posted by mystery NZ have the talent but they need time and as we all know Pak is a team which can beat Australia and than lose to BD so its not a big thing. What are you talking about?  Pakistan can beat Austalia and lose to BD.The context was very well in connection with Pak-NZ Test series when you were susbtanciationg NZ not deserving Test status and Pakistan's unpredictability to beat the best and lose to worst.   Here you go last 20 Test matches Pak-Aus Pakistan lost 15 Tests,4 Drawn and Won a solitary match that to way back in 1995.Mind you last 12 are consecutive losses.   Now even after that record if you still stand by your statement that "Pakistan can beat Aus and lose to BD", I find it really funny.   EDIT: ODI and T20 records aswell Last 20 ODI's Pak lost 16,Won-3,NR-1   We don't have 20 matches in T20I's still the Aussies winning percentage is 60% against Pakistan in shortest format of the game.   Check mate!

Haven't read through the whole thread Rajjie boy but Milkman is correct, fast bowling can't really be trained for, some guys are just born to bowl fast.  I know a guy here, hardly does any physical work, just basically gym work and jogging when he have to and he bowls high 80's and ended up make Windies U19 team.

I don't know how much circket many guys in forum have played, but in India we always have plan to play out the fast bowlers carefully first till there is shine on the ball and untill they are fresh.Once it is gone and they get tired,they can't come back.It's not that easy , plus spin give you more wickets than fast bowling.I know this and mind you I have not even played at any professional level, just my college team in my college days.

EDIT:I have seen few players who bowl fast first up , and after the ball loses shine they start operating with off spin.

Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 31 May 2010 at 7:36pm

Raj, if you can name me one express pace bowler who didn't consume meat, then i'll agree with you about meat not having anything to do with bowling fast.  

Raj, where I think the meat comes in handy is to make you sustain the speed.  You mentioned Ishant Sharma but how long has he maintained it for.  If you're feeling weak, you won't be in a rhythm.  Don't know how Carl Lewis got into this, running fast and bowling fast is 2 completely different things. 

India go down to Zimbabwe yet again.  Zimbabwe has a decent side, especially their bowling with all those spinners but beating India twice, surely that's got to be a big worry for India.