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    Posted: 15 May 2007 at 6:23pm
Originally posted by Smack

You really do not know what you are talking about. Your entire post is full of misunderstandings.
That's me - not the faintest idea what I am on about, absolutely clueless
 
Originally posted by Smack

You've twisted the definition of playing the ball late. Playing the ball early is playing the shot slightly before the ball has reached you. Playing late is playing the shot slightly after the ball has reached you. According to you playing on the front foot = playing early and playing on the back foot = playing late. I'm sitting here laughing at your misunderstanding of playing the ball late/early. It has nothing to do with being on the front foot or back foot i.e. you can still play the ball early whilst on the back foot and play the ball late when on the front foot.
No not at all, you see you need to read what people write in relation to the post they are responding to and not take a single post at face value and, therefore, out of context.  If you are attempting to "punch the ball back over the bowler's head" (the post I was responding to before you threw your 5 pence worth in) you are playing the ball too late as a back foot drive should not result in that shot decision ......... I won't wait for your apology.  My point had nowt to do with being on the front or back foot - but being on the back foot whilst aiming to drive the ball back over the bowler's head - understand now?
 
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You claim that it is "nigh impossible" to drive off the back foot with any power. Therefore you claim the only way to drive off the back foot is to force the ball resulting in the risk of giving a catch. Ever heard of timing? If you wanted to hit the ball in the air off the back foot then yes you would have to force the ball, but guess what...you'd still be playing early not late.
Not quite getting to grips with the point, are we?  Of course you can drive off the back foot - but the intention is to keep it on the carpet not launch it over the bowler's head - if it ends up being airborne you are late on the ball.
 
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If his bottom hand is coming into the shot and he is risking a catch to cover or mid on then he is playing early not late. If he was playing late he would be risking chopping the ball onto his stumps.
Oh dear, oh dear oh dear - pass me the coaching manual.
 
Originally posted by Smack

How is his weight forward when he's on the back foot? Thats the whole point of going on the back foot, your weight is back not forward.
Two options here - I either provide you with endless links to correct technique when playing a front back {edited for clarity} drive, or you admit you have opened your mouth and planted both your feet firmly in your orifice?  Choice is yours?


Edited by W.G. - 15 May 2007 at 11:56pm
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Originally posted by W.G.

If you are playing off the back foot you are, by definition, playing the ball late - if you are driving (I assume the OP meant that when he said punching) it is nigh on impossible to do so off the back foot with any great power and invariably the ball is played in the air ........ try it, or at least think about it, before you reply.

To be in full control of the shot at all times you need to play the shot with a straight bat, this means you need to compensate for your weight being forward by keeping your head over the ball - which in turn means you will be playing the shot with your bottom hand only, hence the risk of a dolly to cover or mid-on.

You really do not know what you are talking about. Your entire post is full of misunderstandings.
 
1) You've twisted the definition of playing the ball late. Playing the ball early is playing the shot slightly before the ball has reached you. Playing late is playing the shot slightly after the ball has reached you. According to you playing on the front foot = playing early and playing on the back foot = playing late. I'm sitting here laughing at your misunderstanding of playing the ball late/early. It has nothing to do with being on the front foot or back foot i.e. you can still play the ball early whilst on the back foot and play the ball late when on the front foot.
 
2) You claim that it is "nigh impossible" to drive off the back foot with any power. Therefore you claim the only way to drive off the back foot is to force the ball resulting in the risk of giving a catch. Ever heard of timing? If you wanted to hit the ball in the air off the back foot then yes you would have to force the ball, but guess what...you'd still be playing early not late.
 
3) If his bottom hand is coming into the shot and he is risking a catch to cover or mid on then he is playing early not late. If he was playing late he would be risking chopping the ball onto his stumps.
 
4) How is his weight forward when he's on the back foot? Thats the whole point of going on the back foot, your weight is back not forward.
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Get yourself a couple of house bricks and position them where you would normally place your feet for a front foot drive.  Stand on the bricks.  Get someone to lob you a few balls and practice driving without moving your feet - you will feel off-balance to start but will quickly adjust.  When you next play the shot in normal stance (i.e., lose the bricks) you will be amazed at the difference to your balance.  You can apply this technique to a range of shots to gradually improve your balance.

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i have a problem with keeping balance when playing on the front foot i don't have much control over my body when i'm not able to balance what do u reckon i do to
get better conrol and balance when playing on the front foot?
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Originally posted by Smack

Originally posted by W.G.

Originally posted by Isura

Back foot. Nothing more enjoyable than punching the ball straight back over the bowler of the back foot.
I'd call that being late on the ball and risking a dolly to mid on.

I'd call it playing early, playing late would cause the ball to go down due to the angle of the bat face.

If you are playing off the back foot you are, by definition, playing the ball late - if you are driving (I assume the OP meant that when he said punching) it is nigh on impossible to do so off the back foot with any great power and invariably the ball is played in the air ........ try it, or at least think about it, before you reply.

To be in full control of the shot at all times you need to play the shot with a straight bat, this means you need to compensate for your weight being forward by keeping your head over the ball - which in turn means you will be playing the shot with your bottom hand only, hence the risk of a dolly to cover or mid-on.

 



Edited by W.G. - 15 May 2007 at 6:11am
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Originally posted by W.G.

Originally posted by Isura

Back foot. Nothing more enjoyable than punching the ball straight back over the bowler of the back foot.
I'd call that being late on the ball and risking a dolly to mid on.
I'd call it playing early, playing late would cause the ball to go down due to the angle of the bat face.
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Wel I have a prediliver movement whe my back-foot moves from outside leg to leg side and my front foot on middle-leg and straight, and then I let the ball come to me, I dont get to the pitch of the ball that ofte, I rely on driving on the up and cut shot for my offside shots or slashes backward of point, or if it is very full, then I'll maybe use the "V". Ohterwise I have all shots on the leg side, I stuggle allitlebit with the on drive, but do not hold back when it is shot. In my cricketing year, I only went out on the pull twice.
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Originally posted by Isura

Back foot. Nothing more enjoyable than punching the ball straight back over the bowler of the back foot.
I'd call that being late on the ball and risking a dolly to mid on.
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English club cricket has more medium pacers than anything. For them i dont really feel the need for a trigger movement. Same goes for all those fast bowlers who aren't really fast.

Where i do use a trigger movement is against bowlers with sheer pace. Mainly in 1st XI cricket although you get the odd one in 2nd XI cricket too. For them i tend to crouch and spring into the shot, it came naturally to me one day in the nets and i've used it ever since. Its pretty much what Brian Lara does.
 
I also use a trigger movement against spinners on slow low tracks. I take a half step forward and go from there. Unlike my trigger to the quicks, this is something i've introduced to my game on purpose to counter pitches with low bounce. I believe it was Inzamam who started it and then Duncan Fletcher introduced it to the whole England team, so thats where i got it from.
 
I'd say batting is something best kept simple, so i only use a trigger when i have to and not just for the sake of it.
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My feet now are slightly angled. Before, I had my front foot too far across toward off, and it was in the way, and my balance was wrong when I tried to drive, I couldn't get my weight forward properly because the front foot wasn't travelling in the right direction, so neither was my weight, if you follow me.
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I  have the same problem with the bottom hand. Just about to try the gilly method. If you haven't heard about it, you put a squash ball in your bottom hand glove in the middle of your palm. This forces you to use your finger and thumb only. Also you might want to try an oval handle?
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I begin with a slighty more open stance and then press forward with my front foot. It just puts me in the right position to spank the ball to all corners of the ground.
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i have a problem of playing too much with my bottom hand no matter how much i reduce my grip from the bottom
i still end up playing with it. Also when i do sometimes
play with the top hand i hardly am able to move the bat much.
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       As the bowler comes in i tend to move my front foot forward about two inches (force of habit). Makes me feel that little more confident knowing i can get to the pitch of the ball and smack it or rock back and pull or hook. My biggest weakness is cutting the ball so i definately favour the front foot.
 
       For years i played with my grip toward the splice but in the last couple of seasons i moved my grip up the top of the handle (like gilchrist) and i was amazed how much better i was striking the ball particularly pulling. I also one of the blokes who moves in and out of the crease a fair bit to stuff up the bowlers length. Some of you should try this if you havent already. It works (sometimes)Wink
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Originally posted by bond2322

Which of you prefer to play off the back foot? Or more conventionally the front foot?


Back foot. Nothing more enjoyable than punching the ball straight back over the bowler of the back foot.
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I just stand still. Maybe because there aren't many very quick bowlers at club level.. I'm also a beginner, could explain why. 
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The best method to prevent the bottom hand coming through too much I believe is to have your bat before the bowler bowls in a cradle like position. I mean so you have the bat coming straight through, but there is nothing wrong with some bottom hand...whatever is comfortable
And trigger movements are useful in my opinion but don't move too much on to the front foot...I have my back foot coming across to middle and then am sort of raising my front foot on to the tip-toe as the ball is bowled.
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I start with my feet really close together in what is probably best described as a crucnched up mess. When the bowler passes the umpire my feet spread outand my bat lifts up. This sometimes surprises particularly stupid bowlers. I stay predominately on the back foot, however i will come forward to half volleys.
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Nice one Rambo! Want to just clarify, do you point your feet square or slightly angled and which direction if so? I maybe doing the same thing

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My mate has been practicing in the nets with me. Never been brilliant at keeping my wicket and always slogged. This season for the first time I'm seriously looking at my technique and trigger movement as i have problems with my feet. Never tried a trigger movement before but it seems to be working for me. I can now hit balls normally I would have missed. Just about to buy a new fusion bat with an oval handle, this may help me to encourage ground shots....we will see!
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My Trigger Movement Is When The Bowler Is Just Bowl I Slightly Tap My Left Foot Couple Off Times... It Is Impossable 4 me 2 Stay Still
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Re front foot shots - I had a net the other day with a couple of the lads and they pointed out my initial stance was wrong. That meant that whatever initial move I made, however hard I tried to get my front foot to the pitch to play a straight drive, I was always going to be off balance. Get one of the batsmen in the team who knows what he's doing to take a look at you. It could be the same thing. By the end of the session I was smashing the ball straight back over the bowler's head, something I've never been able to do before. All it was was a case of shifting the position of my feet a couple of inches each way as I stood at the crease.
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i dnt have a trigger movement because last year i had one n i thought it was harder to keep balance playin ma shots SmileSmile

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I look to get on the front foot as much as possible.  Love driving the ball.  Dont have any problems playing off the back foot either though.  Just more comfortable on the front foot.
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Well, having just started using my trigger movement slightly more obvious. And taking a new guard on leg stump then moving onto Middle.
I had a great night at Training Tuesday. It's the first time I have trained with the adults, 1st and 2nds mostly, as this season I'll be playing second team. I was driving really well especially and playing off the back foot nicely as well, made an impression which aint bad.
 
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I'm not much of a batsman, I'm a bowler. When I'm batting I'm predominantly back foot though. Against the quicker bowlers I'll defend until there's something outside off stump (if I last that long!) to have a go at cutting. I don't mind pulling the odd long-hop if I get a chance, too, but I love taking on the spinners. My favourite shot is the slog-sweep but I'll look to smack every ball into the next county when there's twirly stuff coming at me. Shot selection depends on where the ball pitches as I'm just as happy rocking back and smashing it, but I do love the slog-sweep. It's entirely instinctive, I never think about it. On our home pitch if you get hold of it at all it's going over the wall into the sheep even if you mistime it slightly.
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I'm Definatly a front foot player. I'm not shabby on the back foot, but I'm very good on the front foot, not trying to sound big headed.
It's easily the biggest strength in my game, I love driving the ball.
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k, thanks rambo and chin music i'll try what you've written
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I like to play in the V
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Which of you prefer to play off the back foot? Or more conventionally the front foot?
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first i would like to say, this is a brilliant thread... great idea!!
 
and i would'nt be to worried about first movements... look at kevin peitersen. a brilliant batsmen and one of my favourite players (but i don't go for the poms) he fidgets around like he's doing the ''hokey pokey''. from a more selfish point of view i tend to move my front foot ever so slightly forward. i think thats because i am a big fan on driving an cutting off the front foot though...Smile
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