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    Posted: 26 June 2007 at 10:47pm
Then it's no strange reason why Ntini is one of the fittest around!! Add symonds and McGrath too - he played a lot for an old man of late!!
 


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List of known Joggers (these are just a few off the top of my head):
 
Ntini
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These, like I said, are off the top of my head. If anyone can think of any more post them up.
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When Ntini was in the Caribbean in 2005, he jogged everyday from the hotel to the ground and from the ground to the hotel; well I guess except the Antigua test match when he got carnaged by Gayle! 
 
I have tried doing muscle training and it hasn't increased my fitness like jogging does. It makes you stronger yes but I still got weary quick. I do jog now and I don't get weary as easy as before!
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You won't find many international cricketers jogging.

Perhaps as a part of a warm up but certainly not hitting the roads.

Jogging involes maintaining your heart rate at a steady but elevated state for long periods (15 minutes plus). In a cricket match your heart rate spikes up and down depending on what you are doing - even a Twenty20 game has periods where you are barely moving interspersed by jogs, runs and all out sprints.

Therefore to train in a cricket specific way at whatever level you are at you must train at the same work to rest ratio as a typical match. That means interval and fartlek training, not jogging.
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just going back to the jogging stuff, sorry I thought we were talking about club level cricket. International and national level players generaly jog a lot because of the length of the game and also in most cases there is much more ground to cover when fielding. You also aim to get the overs in quickly so you'll be jogging from one end of the field to the other between overs.
In limited overs matches also you are expected to keep moving for the whole length of the game.
But all of this is NOT necessary on the village green. You are more likely to improve your performance by doing shuttle runs, press-ups, sit-ups, and curls as well as the extra time spent in nets instead of jogging (don't forget that jogging consumes quite some time to have any effect on your body, about 40minutes if i remember rightly).

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Chess and Meditation. Chess because it's very challenging mentally so it will increase your mental strength.

Meditation is good because it's like sleep, it reinvigorates the mind.

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anyone got any ideas how to stay more mentally fit?
 
because sometimes i play games and i feel mentally tired rather than phisically tired
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And then not be able to carry on to make the ton.
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Originally posted by spin wizard

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Oh yeah and jogging is rubbish for the core and cricket ;)
 
Yeah, then your agility must be real low then!! Jogging is important in every sport to get fit!


Agility has nothing to do with jogging. Agility is how fast you can change direction at speed. Jogging has neither.

I don't know of any research into steady state cardio activity that shows a transfer to sport performance.
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Its not really that difficult as far as i can see. Their is a place for jogging in training for cricket, but that alone is by no means sufficient in itself, and should not be the major compenent of training you do.


There is a place for cardiovascular conditioning yes. But conditioning for cricket is more about the work capacity (vv02Max) than the total Oxygen uptake.

Remember research has shown that slow steady distance running detracts from speed and explosiveness.

I'd rather  be able to run faster and hit the ball harder.
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Oh and jogging is not good for the core whichever way you look at it.
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Jogging makes you good at jogging. If you want to jog go for it, but the crossover onto the cricket pitch is minimal.

One of the principles of fitness is specific adaption to demand. The demands of cricket are different to the demands of jogging.

interval sprints improve cardiovascular measures and are far more reflective of what happens on the pitch.
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The knee is a joint. Cartiledge damage to the knees, and damage to the ligaments, is entirely different to deliberately overloading the muscles. The idea is to damage the muscle so that it repairs itself stronger. Damage to joints and ligaments is not desirable. Permanent injury may well result, and cumulative damage to the joint can cause chronic problems later.
 
There are other forms of cardio excercise without the same risks, so why jog, unless it is particularly relevant to your sport, which it is not?
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Its not really that difficult as far as i can see. Their is a place for jogging in training for cricket, but that alone is by no means sufficient in itself, and should not be the major compenent of training you do.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Tyke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 June 2007 at 8:01pm
Well that's true but it's just like saying that lifting weights is tough on the biceps/triceps.
Everything in moderation is good, but overdoing it can be dangerous.


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Being a keeper, I'd be surprised if Nixon didn't have dodgy knees anyway... But it is a fact that jogging is very tough on the knees, especially when you run on hard surfaces.
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Jogging is for masochists who want to ruin their knees.
 
That's Malinga and Nixon with knee problems then. Also add Symonds to that list and there's probably plenty more cricketers that you can add.
Your statement is on unfounded evidence.
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Hummmmmm, then I guess all long distance runners knees are no good!
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Thighs? Squat, lunges, leg presses, extensions... I never train my calves, but I do a lot of walking.

Jogging is for masochists who want to ruin their knees.
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Hummmm, a lot you seen to take jogging as a nothing exercise. Ask Andrew Symonds why he is pretty fit then. I saw Symonds make about 15 laps around the international stadium back here and at a great pace too. If it wasn't important to cricket, why was he doing it then. Jogging builds the heart, lungs, thighs, calf, helps you lose weight. Come on, be realistic fellas, it's very important!
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But I have now lowered my resting heart rate to 50bpm - and I don't jog, jut do resistance (weights) training.
 
Jogging burns a lot of calories - no argument there - but it won't help you get stronger or build muscle. Too much jogging will actually have the opposite effect.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NZ_Fast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 June 2007 at 7:54am
As far as i can see its important to build a decent aerobic base (jogging), expecially as a bowler to repay your oxygen debt quicker due to larger left ventricle and all that ho hah. But the likes of shuttles (interval training?) is just as important for bowlers to specifically train as you were bowling, assuming your a pace bowler that is. Nothing beats running in and bowling at the nets though.

More to the question, in the first post, id talk to a qualified cricket coach, he/she should know better than anyone on here. But i solved my slight back issues with good old fashioned crunches.


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Jogging increases the Volume capacity of the lungs and improves cardiac output which lowers your resting heart rate.
This in itself is a major advantage in cricket as it allows people to do more before they become tired. Bowlers can bowl longer spells and batsmen can stay at the crease longer before they get tired.
 
So it is very useful for cricket.
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Exactly.
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jogging is pretty useless for cricket as cricket is one sport you don't have to run about all the time.
short and medium distance sprints as well as the shuttle run thingy suits cricket much better (cricket is a stop-start sport).
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You won't catch me jogging.

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Oh yeah and jogging is rubbish for the core and cricket ;)
 
Yeah, then your agility must be real low then!! Jogging is important in every sport to get fit!
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Deadlifts will fix your lower back muscles. I didn't deadlift for fear of injuring my bad back again for a long time, but that made things worse (muscle imbalance). The muscles cramped like hell the first few times after deadlifting but now I have virtually no back problems anymore.
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