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Square Leg
Joined: 29 April 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 332 |
Topic: west indies 1980s or australia 2000sPosted: 05 June 2005 at 8:05pm |
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who in your opinion is the more dominant side, the west indian side of the 80's or the current australian side.
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Posted: 05 June 2005 at 8:21pm |
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Oh boy what a great debate! This takes a lot of thinking. My personal view is this current Australian side is by far and away a lot better but that's just my view. Let's see what sort of an argument that can provoke. |
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Square Leg
Joined: 29 April 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 332 |
Posted: 05 June 2005 at 8:25pm |
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i do not really know.weat indies were unbeaten for 15 consecutive years
but surely they did not win as much matches as the current australian
team in as many years. the series against england should be some
indication as if australia win they should win the battle. but there
again this is no truly indication. well see how everyone else thinks
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Posted: 05 June 2005 at 8:33pm |
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They didn't lose a series for 15 years not that they didn't lose a match in 15 years. However with the amount of cricket that is played within this decade this Australian team will hav played twice as many matches as that West Indian team. Anyway you just look at the way this Australian team drops players left right and centre and they happen to be their best players so how the West Indies would have coped with losing their captain and VC and longest serving batsman and their run scorer and then giving possibly the greatest spin bowler of all time a year's ban for the kicks of it i'm not sure how well they'd have faired. |
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 8:54am |
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windies of the 80s were amazing they didn't lost a single match at home for i think 8 years, and didn't lose a single series away or home for i think 15 years. and i think they didn't lose a series at home for 28 years. my memory is sort of weak and i can't really assure anyone if the information i'm giving is correct. but i'm quite sure that it's close to correct.
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thebarmyarmy
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Joined: 23 October 2005 Location: Bahrain Posts: 91 |
Posted: 10 November 2005 at 9:27am |
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im going with the windies on them stats
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 12:59pm |
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the ausies also have great stats but i would say the windies have better stats.
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One Hammer
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Joined: 15 October 2005 Posts: 196 |
Posted: 11 November 2005 at 9:08am |
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Im with the aussies,because ,well im aussie hahaha,Treason comes quickly to mind,
2 great teams though,as always it can only come down to opinion,youll never get a definative answer as the 2 cant play. They were an amazing team though ,only bowled about 75 over in a day because of the quicks they had,but they intimidated teams,sinse cricket started i think the teams that have had quick bowlers ,quality quicks and more than 1 ,and now a top flight spinner,have dominated cricket,nothing has changed as far as thew quicks go,look at englands quicks ,flintoff,harmison,Jones,hoggart,..outgunned the aussies ,teams seem to ride on the backs of the quickies ,if you can string 3 quality quicks at the same time you are gonna win more games than you lose,IMO, so in light of that,do you think Oz can get a lend of fred flintoff for the next 8 years
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recman
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Joined: 23 October 2005 Location: Bermuda Posts: 19 |
Posted: 13 November 2005 at 3:02am |
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How dare you? How dare you rotters compare the greatest Test team of all-time the mighty West Indies to this group of aussie wannabees - I don't believe for a moment that the Aussies would have stood up to the former West Indies pace attack - Holding, Roberts, Garner, Croft, Marshall et the rest would have destroyed their batting and Greenidge, Haynes, Richards and Lloyd would have hammered their bowling - I personally think Richards would have knocked spin bowling out of Warne's head - and McGrath's military mediums would have sailed over mid-wicket with constant regularity - Please comparing the Aussies to the great West Indian Team of the eighties is like comparing Maradona to David Beckham one is a good player the other an all-time great!!! Nuff Said - I expect no rebuttal on this!!! To do so would be heresy!!!
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 13 November 2005 at 4:16am |
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well said recman. so you are back to support the windies eh? but what you said is true, the windies of the 80s were the best test team ever.
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Wolfman
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Joined: 09 October 2005 Posts: 100 |
Posted: 13 November 2005 at 5:03am |
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I am inclined to agree with recman (I never thought I would utter those
words after his comments about the current windies vs aus series!) The
pace bowling would destroy Australia; 5 wickets in the morning, and 5
broken bones!
Lloyd, Richards and Greenidge, I do believe that Australia's bowling would struggle. Australia are a great team in a possibly mediorce era. The Windies were formidable, and I believe they would be able to play in any era. |
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recman
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Joined: 23 October 2005 Location: Bermuda Posts: 19 |
Posted: 13 November 2005 at 2:35pm |
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You last two lads are absolutely right - the Australian team from Mark Taylor on wouldn't have stood a chance against the 1980 Windies side - the two sides shouldn't really be mentioned in the same breath - in fact I have far more respect for the Australian side that defeated the West Indies 5 - 1 led by Ian Chappell - with a bowling attack that included Lillee, Thompson, Gilmour and Walker and batting that boasted the fabulous Chappell brothers, Ian Redpath, Doug Walters, and Rod Marsh - that Australian team was far stronger than the present Aussies - they are a team I would be willing to compare to the West Indies though I think they were not as good overall!!! What say ye?
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 13 November 2005 at 2:54pm |
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yea i agree. denniss lillee was a great bowler and he could actually compare to the 80s pacers of the windies like marshall and the like. that was the australian side that could be compared to the windies of the 80s.
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surenj
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Joined: 07 October 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 80 |
Posted: 13 November 2005 at 10:51pm |
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It's not so clear cut as that...the West Indies team was probably a lot more entertaining and who knows, they might have beaten the Australian team...but there are records that favour Waugh's Aussies as well. Under Steve Waugh Australia won 16 tests in a row, they also hold the record for the most one-day international consecutive victories. They have won the past 2 world cups (the second under Ponting) The only series they lost before the Ashes (in England mind you) was in India in 2001. I don't think the Australian team currently is as strong as it was a couple of years ago, but when they were at their peak they were a lot better than some of you give credit for. |
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 13 November 2005 at 10:57pm |
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that's great but the windies didn't lose a single series home or away for 15 years. they didn't lose a single series at home for 28 years and didn't lose a single match at home for 8 years. those are amazing stats and i'm quite sure that they are correct. the windies of the 80s were certainly more exciting then the aussies of today. especially vivian richards. the bowlers were scared of the man, that's how good he was. and marshall was probably one of the most intimidating pacers ever.
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Wolfman
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Posted: 14 November 2005 at 3:52am |
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That is quite funny, being scared of a man named Vivian!
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surenj
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Joined: 07 October 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 80 |
Posted: 14 November 2005 at 7:06am |
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it's a tough one to decide, obviously the windies of the 80's were an awesome team and have all the credentials to suggest they were one of the game's greatest teams. then again the modern game is much more professional than it once was and the schedule much more hectic so who's to say that Australia's performance recently is less deserving of such status. bradman's team was called the "invincibles" but we can't decide now whether they would have been as successful in today's game. its the same situation when comparing the windies with today's aussies |
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 16 November 2005 at 1:14pm |
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bradman's team played in a time when there weren't many extraordinary players. look at every team now. they have someone to rely on...some good player.
the windies of the 80s were better than the aussies of today. they have better stats. i don't understand why people say the 2 teams can't be compared because both teams have/had great players in their era. |
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surenj
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Joined: 07 October 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 80 |
Posted: 17 November 2005 at 12:37am |
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yeah but the game now is played by proffessionals at, arguably, a higher standard than previously. For cricketers now its their full time job its all they do, plus the quantity of cricket is much higher than it was in the 80's and thus for Australia to sustain this dominance for 10 years may be equally as impressive as the Windies doing it for 15 in a less proffesional, less hectic schedule |
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 17 November 2005 at 1:19am |
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so you're saying that the windies of the 80s are equal to the aussies of today. i totally disagree. if there were to be a match between the windies of the 80s and the aussies of today, who do you think will win. i can gurantee that it would be the windies of the 80s.
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Posted: 17 November 2005 at 9:40am |
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Rubbish Saad , Clive Lloyd can barely walk now , he's that fat !! Curtley sits on the porch all day with his Mam and Viv is a bald git!! No way they'd beat these Aussies!!!
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 17 November 2005 at 11:13am |
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i didn't mean at their current age...i meant if they were at their peaks right now and faced the aussies.
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Posted: 17 November 2005 at 12:55pm |
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 17 November 2005 at 1:04pm |
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Is that a joke or something???
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surenj
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Joined: 07 October 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 80 |
Posted: 18 November 2005 at 9:40am |
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can you really guarantee that the windies would win? Steve Waugh was the most successful captain ever http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/STATS/TESTS/INDIVIDUAL/TEST_CAPTA IN_APPEARANCES.html if you look there you'll see that under Clive Lloyd the Windies won less than half (48.7% roughly) their tests, and under Sobers they lost more tests than they won. Under Waugh, when Australia was arguably at its peak, Australia 72% of their tests. Furthermore if you look here http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/STATS/BY_CALENDAR/1980S/TEST_RECO RD-COUNTRY_1980S.html the Windies won 53% of the tests during the 80's that they played in, which does not come close to the 72% record held under Waugh |
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 18 November 2005 at 5:42pm |
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maybe it was because The windies played in an era when there were other great teams with great players which made it harder for the windies to stay the best. The aussies are playing in an era where there is no team that has as many great players as them. they have McGrath, Shane, Ponting, Gilchrist, and Hayden.
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Joined: 15 November 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 15 |
Posted: 18 November 2005 at 6:06pm |
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in my opinion the ausies in 2000 are alot better than the westindies during the 80's! they are the big domain of cricket right now! Although other teams are doing pretty good too like india, and srilanka etc.
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surenj
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Posted: 19 November 2005 at 12:28am |
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Isn't that a testimony to the fact that Australia is such a great side, because they have such awesome players... I'm a little fuzzy on 80's cricket anyway, who were the other great teams? |
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Posted: 19 November 2005 at 12:56am |
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 19 November 2005 at 1:20am |
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I certainly agree with you and that's similar to what i said earlier in this thread.
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