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W.G. 
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 Topic: Who is Australia's best all-rounder?Posted: 07 February 2007 at 6:58am |
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In my book all-rounder = excellence in batting, bowling and fielding
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Posted: 07 February 2007 at 7:15am |
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Right , there simply isn't a bowler of stature in that list.
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BOBBI
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Posted: 07 February 2007 at 9:07am |
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Would you say wicket keeping batsmen qualify?
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Judge the player not by their stats, but by their opposition.
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Posted: 07 February 2007 at 9:29am |
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Until Gilchrist came on the scene I'd never heard a kepper who
could bat being called an allrounder. That Gilchrist had an
average over 50 made him stand out and the term didn't seem out of
place , but genuine allrounders do have to bowl.
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BOBBI
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Posted: 07 February 2007 at 11:43am |
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The fact Watson is the closest opitimisies our lack of them.
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W.G.
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Posted: 07 February 2007 at 2:59pm |
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bondy
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Posted: 08 February 2007 at 4:32am |
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I'd consider a keeper to be an allrounder, they perform an important function within the fielding side, and have all round abilities to the best they can perform (considering they can't bowl). However what is considered an allrounder does not qualify Gilcrhrist, therefore it must be Watson for tests and Symonds for one-dayers. Australia haven't really produced all rounders in the past few years, they mainly have batsman 1-6, Gilly, then from 8-11 was bowlers...unless you consider Warney as an allrounder? |
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Good one Graham!
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Posted: 08 February 2007 at 6:15am |
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Warney was very round at one time before his Mum stepped in Bondy!
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W.G.
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Posted: 08 February 2007 at 7:46am |
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When you win the toss - bat.
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bondy
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Posted: 08 February 2007 at 10:31pm |
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haha yes warney was a round man, round enough to disturb any batsman.
All cricketers all rounders... i wouldn't say that there are some terrible fielders in the NZ side. As a keeper Gilchrist is outstanding, also as a batsman.
The question is, does this make him an allrounder if he can do both even if it is not done well?
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Good one Graham!
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W.G.
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Posted: 09 February 2007 at 5:17pm |
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Indeed, Gilchrist is quite possible the second b..... b..... be..... be...... betht (I can't even say the word) 'keeper batsman in recent times.
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Posted: 09 February 2007 at 7:26pm |
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Is this why you dont rate Pollock higher than Botham? |
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W.G.
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Posted: 10 February 2007 at 8:06am |
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bondy
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Posted: 10 February 2007 at 8:16am |
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LOL be a good kid, typical. Haven't spoken/argued with you in a while. maybe i'm scared.... Watson bowled poorly last nite, however it was his first game back from injury. Australia miss symonds big time, he is an inspiration to their one-day side.
Brilliant fielder, brilliant batsman and handy bowler.
by the way W.G wonderful predication last friday in saying that England would thrash aussie and bowl them out within 40 overs.
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Good one Graham!
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W.G.
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Posted: 10 February 2007 at 8:21am |
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bondy
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Posted: 10 February 2007 at 8:24am |
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I hope your wrong, how useless would that make NZ if we lost to England who thrash Australia in the final who we continue to lose to. Collingwood's luck has to run out soon, and England will surely lose. Can someone tell me why they dropped Tait, get rid of Mcgrath pace frightens the English. |
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Good one Graham!
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W.G.
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Posted: 10 February 2007 at 8:27am |
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bondy
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Posted: 10 February 2007 at 8:29am |
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hahah a loose observation, maybe i'm tired from having no sleep for the past 40 hours. Let me rephrase. I hope Collingwood's luck runs out so Australia can win, because he is batting very well at the moment Anyway enough cricket talk and time to go and spend time with the misses, happy posting. |
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Good one Graham!
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BOBBI
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Posted: 07 March 2007 at 3:19pm |
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Hope time with missus was good coz the cricket wasn't.
the player amny forget about is Paul Rieffel. He averaged about 27 with bat and ball. Towards the end of his career he was averaging nearly 50 he was in such good touch.
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scuudz
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Posted: 15 March 2007 at 2:05am |
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Brett Lee, perhaps?? I think hes better than his batting record makes him out to be.
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slogger72N/O
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Posted: 15 March 2007 at 6:54am |
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i don't think he's good enough to be considered an allrounder.
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Posted: 15 March 2007 at 9:39am |
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Lee wouldnt get into the squad as a batsman, you have to be able to get into the squad as both a batsman and a bowler to be considered a true all rounder.
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scuudz
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Posted: 15 March 2007 at 4:34pm |
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Well then I do not think any of the available choices would be able to get into the squad solely on their batting OR bowling attributes.
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Posted: 16 March 2007 at 7:26am |
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Quite right , that's Australia's achilles heel - no genuine allrounders.
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Posted: 16 March 2007 at 9:14am |
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I don't think I would go so far as to call it an achilles heel - they haven't fared too badly in recent times without one. The reason it is an issue at the moment is with the passing of 2 champion bowlers the tactic of picking only 4 bowlers might not be so prudent or successful so a No 6 who could give them 15 decent overs a day would be more than handy.
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Posted: 16 March 2007 at 9:22am |
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Exactly Clobs , two freaks covered the cracks....
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Posted: 16 March 2007 at 11:52am |
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I thought Shane Lee was pretty good when he first played for Australia. What ever happened to him?
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Posted: 16 March 2007 at 12:50pm |
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He was ok, struggled with fitness a bit, Ian harvey was another that never really kicked on like they would have hoped. a guy that would suprise a few if his fitness would let him bowl is ricky ponting, he can really slip a ball onto you.
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Posted: 16 March 2007 at 12:52pm |
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Vaughan says in his book that Ponting's spell at Trent Bridge in 2005 was the toughest spell he faced in the entire series
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143no
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Posted: 16 March 2007 at 12:55pm |
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Yeah, he is really strong in the arms and shoulders, he has a really nasty bouncer, just looks like he ambles in.
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