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Mojo
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Topic: World's bests Posted: 30 April 2007 at 9:26am |
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To avoid you guys being too patriotic or favouring one country above the rest, how about you create a list of players who you think were the best players for their country? Here's mine: (Note, I'm only going back 20 years, but you can feel free to go back to Don Bradman if you wish) I'm combining bowlers and batsmen into one list. You can separate if you want.
South Africa: Jacques Kallis India: Sachin Tendulkar West Indies: Viv Richards Australia: Shane Warne New Zealand: Martin Crowe Pakistan: Imran Khan Sri Lanka: Aravinda da Silva England: Ian Botham Zimbabwe: Heath Streak
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Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here may not necessarily reflect the opinions of any other forum members. They are the express property of Mojo.
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Clobber
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Posted: 30 April 2007 at 10:09am |
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South Africa: Graeme Pollock India: Sunil Gavaskar West Indies: Garfield Sobers Australia: Shane Warne New Zealand: Richard Hadlee Pakistan: Imran Khan Sri Lanka: Muttiah Muralitharan Zimbabwe: Andy Flower
I'm afraid I am stuck on England! Botham is probably the best player in my lifetime but I have my doubts that he'd be the greatest English player ever, but not having seen the likes of WG Grace, Jack Hobbs, Wally Hammond, Harold Larwood, Dennis Compton and Fred Trueman I would struggle to make a particularly strong case for one in particular.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 30 April 2007 at 7:51pm |
South Africa: Jacques Kallis India: Sachin Tendulkar West Indies: Garfield Sobers Australia: Shane Warne New Zealand: Richard Hadlee
Pakistan: Imran Khan Sri Lanka: Muttiah Muralitharan
England: Kevin Pietersen Zimbabwe: Andy Flower
I only date back to the days for the Windies as I know alot about them as they are my country men but for the other countries, it's from what I have seen. Pietersen easily gets my nod for England. He just plays with his own style and that's what makes him a great batsman...... well, so far in his career. Andy Flower for Zimbabwe for sure. You don't find many persons from minnow countries that can bat very well.
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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SEHWAG NO.1
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Posted: 06 May 2007 at 8:27pm |
South Africa: Graeme pollock India: Sachin Tendulkar West Indies: Brian Lara Australia: Ricky Ponting New Zealand: Richard Hadlee
Pakistan: Wasim Akram Sri Lanka: Muttiah Muralitharan
England: Ian Botham Zimbabwe: Andy Flower
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ramzi
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Posted: 06 May 2007 at 9:06pm |
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South Africa: Gary Kirsten/Alan Donald India: Sachin Tendulkar/Anil Kumble West Indies: Viv Richards/C.Walsh Australia: Steve Waugh/Shane Warne New Zealand: Chris Cains/Sir Hadlee Pakistan: Imran Khan/WasimAkram Sri Lanka: Aravinda da Silva/Murali England: Alec Stewart/Ian Botham Zimbabwe: Andy Flower/Heath Streak
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fishcake14
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Posted: 06 May 2007 at 10:23pm |
Australia: Shane Warne/ Ricky Ponting
India: Anil Kumble/ Sachin Tendulkar
Sri Lanka: Murali/ Jayasuriya
England: Ashley Giles 
Pakistan: Inzamam/Kaneria
West Indies: Brian Lara
New Zealand: Stephen Fleming/ Daniel Vettori
South Africa: Jacques Kallis/ Makhaya Ntini
My best player: Shane Warne
I'm just doing it on the people I've seen.
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Sledger
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Dickenson can marry my mother-in-law !
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Posted: 07 May 2007 at 7:51am |
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I don't go in for this type of thing - all I will say is that there's some seriously average cricketers on this thread!
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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tonks007
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Posted: 07 May 2007 at 8:23am |
I'll give it a crack:
Australia: Don Bradman/ Shane Warne
India: Kapil Dev/ Sachin Tendulkar
Sri Lanka: Sanath Jayasuriya/ Murali
Pakistan: Imran Khan/Wasim Akram
West Indies: Gary Sobers/ Viv Richards/ Malcom Marshall
New Zealand: Richard Hadlee/Chris Cairns/ Martin Crowe
South Africa: Shaun Pollock/Graeme Pollock
England: Ian Botham/ Kevin Pieterson
Zimbabwe: Andy Flower/ Heath Streak
This list could go on forever and i narrowed it down as much as possible. (in my opinion) I tell you what though, these 20 players would make one hell of a side. I hate leaving certain players out, thats why i dont like doing this sort of thing although it is enjoyable!!!
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even the sun shines on a dogs ass some days
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fishcake14
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Posted: 07 May 2007 at 10:00am |
Originally posted by Sledger
all I will say is that there's some seriously average cricketers on this thread! |
Yeah, it is kind of hard to find some legends when you've only watched cricket for 3 years! 
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Freddie
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That's the wrong ball you're hitting
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Posted: 07 May 2007 at 12:55pm |
Australia: Sir Donald Bradman
Bangladesh: Habibul Bashar
England: Jack Hobbs
India: Sunil Gavaskar
New Zealand: Sir Richard Hadlee
Pakistan: Imran Khan
South Africa: Graeme Pollock
Sri Lanka: Muttiah Muralitharan
West Indies: Sir Viv Richards
Zimbabwe: Andy Flower
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On extended leave...
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Sledger
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Dickenson can marry my mother-in-law !
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Posted: 07 May 2007 at 2:10pm |
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Cricketers all Freddie , good effort!
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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okellyrange
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Location: Australia
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Posted: 08 May 2007 at 11:46am |
heres a team for the fastest bowlers
australia: brett lee/shaun tait
newzealand:shane bond
pakistan:shoaib akhtar/wasim akhram
india:ifran pathan
england:simon jones/frank tyson
south africa:courtly ambrose/alan donald
sri lanka:lasith malinga
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okellyrange
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Posted: 08 May 2007 at 11:48am |
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lol im 12th man
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bondy
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Posted: 08 May 2007 at 11:51am |
I'm pretty sure Courtly Ambrose didn't play for South Africa. 
Edited by bond2322 - 08 May 2007 at 11:52am
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Good one Graham!
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wiseguy
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Posted: 08 May 2007 at 12:23pm |
Originally posted by okellyrange
lol im 12th man |
Well with your post of best ever bowlers and specially of Ambrose in SA, I am afraid you will never be in the playing eleven! 
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so far so good!
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sammythola7
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Posted: 28 May 2007 at 11:46am |
Originally posted by bond2322
I'm pretty sure Courtly Ambrose didn't play for South Africa.  |
Bondy I am as shocked, to even think he was bowing ahaisn't South Africa in the late 90s, that is pretty bad.
Edited by sammythola7 - 28 May 2007 at 11:53am
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Your Fear in a snake is your faith in the snake's ability to bite you.
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sammythola7
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Posted: 28 May 2007 at 11:53am |
All Hail most experienced Sledge all Haill!!!
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I don't go in for this type of thing - all I will say is that there's some seriously average cricketers on this thread! | Tha is very sad indeed!!
Well for me it is
Australia: Glen Magrath
Bangladesh: Habbibul Bashar
Englend: Adrew caddi£k
India: Sachin Tendulker
New Zealand: Chris Caines
Pakista: Inzimam Ul Huq
South Africa: Jaques Kallis
Sri Lanka: Chaminda Vaas
Zimbabwe: Andy Blignut
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Your Fear in a snake is your faith in the snake's ability to bite you.
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W.G.
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Posted: 28 May 2007 at 11:58am |
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Andrew Cadd!ck???????
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When you win the toss - bat.
If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat.
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bondy
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Posted: 28 May 2007 at 12:32pm |
Originally posted by sammythola7
All Hail most experienced Sledge all Haill!!!
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I don't go in for this type of thing - all I will say is that there's some seriously average cricketers on this thread! | Tha is very sad indeed!!
Well for me it is
Australia: Glen Magrath
Bangladesh: Habbibul Bashar
Englend: Adrew caddi£k
India: Sachin Tendulker
New Zealand: Chris Caines
Pakista: Inzimam Ul Huq
South Africa: Jaques Kallis
Sri Lanka: Chaminda Vaas
Zimbabwe: Andy Blignut
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I'm lost for words. Someone delete this post please!
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Good one Graham!
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spin wizard
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Posted: 28 May 2007 at 10:26pm |
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And Murali is the greatest from the Lankans as well.
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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MP12
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Posted: 28 May 2007 at 11:13pm |
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You missed out on the West Indies as well.
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bondy
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Posted: 29 May 2007 at 12:07am |
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McGrath isn't the greatest Australian cricketer, neither is Cairns the greatest New Zealander cricketer. He's gone mad!
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Good one Graham!
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tonks007
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Posted: 29 May 2007 at 1:26am |
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Apart from Tendulkar, the rest of the selections are disgraceful....
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even the sun shines on a dogs ass some days
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samhache
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Posted: 29 May 2007 at 6:34am |
Australia: Sir Donald Bradman
Bangladesh: ???
England: Jack Hobbs
India: Sachin Tendulkar
New Zealand: Sir Richard Hadlee
Pakistan: Imran Khan
South Africa: Graeme Pollock
Sri Lanka: Muttiah Muralitharan
West Indies: Sir Garfield Sobers
Zimbabwe: Andy Flower
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Warriors!!
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sporty
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Posted: 15 June 2007 at 8:03pm |
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Hey i've chosen two players from each side....
India: Sachin Tendulkar and Kapil Dev Sri Lanka: Muttiah Muralitharan and Santh Jayasurya West Indies: Viv Richards and Sir Garfield Sobers South Africa: Alan Donald and Shaun Pollouck Pakistan: Wasim Akram and Imran Khan New Zealnd: Richard Hadlee and Stephen Fleming Australia: Sir Don Bradman and Glen Mcgrath England: Ian Botham and Andrew Flintoff
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bondy
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Posted: 15 June 2007 at 10:09pm |
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Good one Graham!
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Clobber
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Posted: 16 June 2007 at 12:49am |
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he's 14 in all fairness
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sporty
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Posted: 16 June 2007 at 4:01pm |
Originally posted by bondy
[P]Flintoff?????[/P] |
yes i do think flintoff deserves a spot in there. He's easily been england's best player in the last 5 years or so. He was the main reason for england winning the 2005 ashes. For me, flintoff and botham are the 2 best English cricketers ever.
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TheJaffa
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Posted: 17 June 2007 at 12:09pm |
Originally posted by sporty
India: Sachin Tendulkar and Kapil Dev
Sri Lanka: Muttiah Muralitharan and Santh Jayasurya
West Indies: Viv Richards and Sir Garfield Sobers
South Africa: Alan Donald and Shaun Pollouck
Pakistan: Wasim Akram and Imran Khan
New Zealnd: Richard Hadlee and Stephen Fleming
Australia: Sir Don Bradman and Glen Mcgrath
England: Ian Botham and Andrew Flintoff |
Sri Lanka - Aravinda de Silva?
West Indies - Malcolm Marshall?
South Africa - Greame Pollock?
Pakistan - Miandad, Zaheer Abbas?
NZ - Fleming....??????? What about Chris Cairns, Martin Crowe, Daniel Vettori
Austrailia - Shane Warne?
England - Jack Hobbs? Len Hutton? Harlod Larwood?
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sporty
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Posted: 17 June 2007 at 6:09pm |
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So you need some justification,huh. Ok.
Lets start with Sri Lanka: Think there's no doubt of Murali being there. As of de Silva I think Jayasurya is better than him as he can terrorize the opponent both with his bat as well as his bowling. He's one of the most feared players in the world. Dont think the same could be said for de Silva. Yes, he's a good player too but I think Jayasurya's better.
Next comes West Indies: I think the West Indies have produced too many great players over the years. So, if you want to include Malcolm Marshall including other guys like Michael Holding or Courtney Walsh or Brian Lara or Gordon Grennidge also becomes a point. You cannot include all of them so I've included Sir Vivian Richards and Sir Garfield Sobers. Don't think there should be any problems with that.
South Africa: I thought about including Graeme Pollock but then chose Donald And Shaun Pollock above him mainly because I don't think he has played enough International Cricket. Yes Graeme has an avg. of more than 60 but still it has only come in 23 tests. What Shaun and Donald have achieved has come in a vast span of time playing as many as 9 different countries home and away. May be if South Africa hadn't suffered the ban and Graeme would have played a few more tests he could have been in there.
Pakistan: Imran Khan has to be there for his contributions to Pakistani cricket. He has probably been their greatest allrounder. For Wasim Akram I can only say that he has been one of my favourite bowlers. More than 900 international wickets is quite a record. Miandad could have been in there but only if I had chosen three players from each side.
NZ: I've chosen Fleming ahead of guys like Cairns and Crowe because of his leadership. He has probably been one of the greatest captains ever, a true leader.
Australia: Warne or Mcgrath think that is the question, right? Because you cannot doubt the Great Sir Donald Bradman being there. If thats the case my preference would be Mcgrath. I think most would chose otherwise but for me Mcgrath would be just that little ahead of Warne. After all his bowling averages are better than Warne in both forms of the game.
England: I've never seen guys like Hobbs, Hutton or Larwood bat or bowl thats why I did not pick any of them. You may question than why's Bradman in there. The reason is you do not have to see him bat its all their in his batting avg.
In the end I'd say that the players I chose were my preferences. Would love to see your team also.
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the pessimist sees the glass as half empty, the optimist says it is half full..i say "Who drank my beer?!"
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