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youngmurali
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Topic: Would any one want help with spin?Posted: 17 January 2006 at 4:45pm |
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cricketluva: my topspinner is slightly unusual as well as it is released out of the back of the hand with a flick, it works so well when it gets right, you can feel if its right when you release. my 2 made up deliveries consist of no.1, a back of the hand offbreak, with the batsmen predicting a toppy or doosra, it hasd the same action as the toppy, released out of the back of the hand but also is released from a near side on angle devloping offspin. I have a fingerspin doosra which i make out as an offbreak as i keep an offspin grip and then as i swing my arm over i move the ball between my thumb and the side of my middle finger, when i release, my thumb goes down and my middle inger goes up creating leg spin. the seam position is VITAL. give it a go I forgot to tell you about my other ball, which is out of the back of the hand, though the seam position is different meaning it can jump up at the batsmen. Cricketluva, please tell me about your different deliveries and explain, i would love to have even more deliveries in my armoury
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ANIL KUMBLE
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Posted: 17 January 2006 at 7:00pm |
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i bowl leg spin and and i can bowl off spin as well but i have trouble bowling the wrong'un richie beneaud says too release the bowl from the back of the hand i do that but it just goes straight or leg break
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youngmurali
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Posted: 17 January 2006 at 8:10pm |
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the idea is to get the seam the opposite way at release with the same leg spin action going in the offspin direction, ie. opposite to leggie. go to bbc.co.uk, then cricket, then skills and youll get tips there |
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ANIL KUMBLE
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Posted: 17 January 2006 at 8:14pm |
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thanks youngmurali
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youngmurali
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Posted: 17 January 2006 at 8:17pm |
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have you been to bbc? its got loadsa great hints on bowling and batting
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ANIL KUMBLE
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Posted: 17 January 2006 at 8:29pm |
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what does bbc stand for
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youngmurali
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Posted: 17 January 2006 at 8:31pm |
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oh god your from australia............
hold on.............................. |
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youngmurali
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Posted: 17 January 2006 at 8:34pm |
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The leg spinner's prize weapon - bowled properly, a googly is almost undetectable. A googly, or "wrong'un", is a delivery which looks like a normal leg spinner but actually turns towards the batsmen, like an off break, rather than away from the bat.
Unlike a normal leg break, a googly is delivered out of the back of the hand, with the wrist 180 degrees to the ground.
STEP ONE
Hold the ball as if you're about to bowl a normal leg break. The top joints of the index and middle fingers should be across the seam, with the ball resting between a bent third finger and the thumb.
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At the point of release, the palm of your hand should be open upwards, towards the sky, with the back of your hand facing the batsman. Your wrist should be 180 degrees to the ground, while the seam of the ball should point towards fine leg. Again, it should be your third finger which does most of the work, turning the ball anti-clockwise on release. You'll probably find it goes horribly wrong the first few times you give the googly a try, but don't give up. As the old saying goes, practice makes perfect. Use a tennis ball to help improve the flexibility of your wrist.
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ANIL KUMBLE
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Posted: 17 January 2006 at 8:46pm |
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thanx for that
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youngmurali
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Posted: 17 January 2006 at 8:48pm |
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its ok, ask for any tips on the flipper and toppy etc and you can have it
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Posted: 17 January 2006 at 11:14pm |
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Wow! You're one talented bowler. Can you do the googly?
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Posted: 18 January 2006 at 1:03am |
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The googly is with the same grip as an leggie, but you turn your wrist in an anti clockwise fashion and your hand will end up facing teh batsmen, the ball will turn from off to leg, not hard to bowl, if you have a quickish action it is extremly hard to pick. Beau Casson is like that and he bowler Mark Waugh with a wrong-un', Mark couldn't pick it evebn though he is a wonderful player of spin.
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See you later Gilly! Thanks for the memories! |
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Posted: 18 January 2006 at 2:22am |
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I can do the googly and I learnt it by myself too...after reading some books and stuff. But thanks for tips anyway.
I am a slow left-arm chinaman wrist spinner. A rare breed. |
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cricketluva
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Posted: 18 January 2006 at 2:24am |
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Yes like mentioned earlier, there have not been many chianmen bowlers outside Aust, besides Paul Admas surprisingly.
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See you later Gilly! Thanks for the memories! |
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Posted: 18 January 2006 at 4:13pm |
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There a lad in my team who was a left arm seamer but ti wasnt working out - hes swithed to chinaman and things are looking good for him
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youngmurali
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Posted: 18 January 2006 at 5:37pm |
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if that was directed at me then yes i can. i enjoy spinning and even though i am an offspinner i am very close to changing to a leggie in the near future. im not sure. i find the normal legspin ball harder to bowl than the offbreak. we will see. but if anyone wants any tips id be more than happy to helep |
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youngmurali
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Posted: 18 January 2006 at 5:47pm |
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done some reasearch on the doosra: In Hindi and Urdu, doosra means "second" or "other". Put simply, the it is the off-spinner's version of the googly. Over the past five years, the world's top off spinners have developed the doosra to baffle batsmen. It looks very similar to a normal off-break, but rather than spin towards the bat, it goes the other way like a leg break. The doosra is bowled from the back of the hand with a lot of top spin, but the wrist still moves in a clockwise direction. It is a very difficult skill to master so you'll need plenty of practice if you want to learn how to do it. However, its validity has been called into question because of the number of off-spinners who have been reported to the International Cricket Council for suspect actions bowling the doosra. Sri Lanka's Muttiah Muralitharan, India's Harbhajan Singh and Pakistan's Shoaib Malik have all had to have their actions cleared by the ICC's Human Movement Specialist panel. Sceptics claim the doosra cannot be bowled with a legitimate bowling action because it is physically impossible to do with a straight arm.
just to let you know, i have done research on murali, he is an abnormal human. He has a double jointed wrist ( i have that) which is fairly uncommon but also has an extremely rare double jointed elbow(i dont have that!) and therefore is unable to fully straighten his arm even if he tries. He can get very close but is still unable. EDIT: results Depending on the direction of viewing, his arm may be seen as straight or bent. Edited by youngmurali |
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Warne in making
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Posted: 18 January 2006 at 7:14pm |
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He shouldnt be able to bowl - its unfair on everyone else. Im a leggie, i can bowl:
Leggie Googly Slider Flipper Leggie/Slider(skids and turns - Unplayable if you cant pick it) |
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youngmurali
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Posted: 18 January 2006 at 8:16pm |
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hey, if you were told that you couldnt bowl at all just because you are irregular wuld you say OK? i wouldnt. murali is my favourite bowler and i would never like to see him get thrown out of cricket. your leggie slider is like my toppy offy but the other way, could you tell me how you do it so that i ould attempt to turn it into a doosra, thanks. |
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Warne in making
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Posted: 18 January 2006 at 10:35pm |
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I have the back of my hand facing the batsmen and i put back spin in it. Its a flipper but ith the ball of the other side of the hand. Its skids more and turns more then your standard flipper. Need aolt of practice though
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Posted: 18 January 2006 at 11:17pm |
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WOW! You guys are talented. I am not a spinner but I do spin occasionaly...once a year...other than that I practice spin more than fast bowling, but I am a fast bowler.
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Warne in making
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Posted: 19 January 2006 at 4:24pm |
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Why, do what your good at more. Btw, i would reccomend you doing tour yorker once and over or every other over, it gives more i a suprise element!
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youngmurali
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Posted: 19 January 2006 at 8:03pm |
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ok, im giving legpin a real go, could any legspinner out there tell me how to bowl the flipper precisely, and the backspinner(slider) and also give me tips on how to get a better googly please.
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Posted: 19 January 2006 at 8:07pm |
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Googly you need to know the action and then its all about practice. Advanced stuff, relese it a fraction earlier as it comes out of the back of the hand giving it a higher jajectory (i dont know how to spell it) With the slider have a leg spinners grip but put back spin on it. Its an offies topspinners grip but with the back spin. Master these and then you can try the flipper, but dont even thing about it untill you can do these well.
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youngmurali
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Posted: 19 January 2006 at 8:10pm |
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i got the googly release ok but what do you do with your wrist/fingers when you bowl the backspinner/slider. i have a pretty big leg break at the mo and my toppy is awesome (not boasting lol). PS. thanks warne in making |
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ANIL KUMBLE
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Posted: 19 January 2006 at 8:11pm |
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flipper the fingers are brought forward and the thumb plays a part.the ball squeezes out between finger and thumb.the underspin makes it slice through the air and ski at the bastmen by the way i did not write this myself i read this out of a book |
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ANIL KUMBLE
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Posted: 19 January 2006 at 8:15pm |
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im kind of like a all round bowler when i bowl pace i bowl flintoff style and i do alot of bouncers with them and trouble the batsmen and i can bowl off-spin and leg spin people at my school cant believe how much spin i put on it
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youngmurali
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Posted: 19 January 2006 at 8:16pm |
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lol, thanks, that must be really hard to squueze out, you must have to have the ball quite loose. anil, could you tell me about your slider and googly?
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ANIL KUMBLE
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Posted: 19 January 2006 at 8:19pm |
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i have a bit of trouble with my googly and slider but my flipper,leg break and wrong'un are fine
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youngmurali
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Posted: 19 January 2006 at 8:23pm |
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wrong'un is the same as a googly anil, would you like me to get something off bbc for the legbreak balls if i can? |
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