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Shane Warnabee
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Topic: Would any one want help with spin?Posted: 20 February 2008 at 11:15am |
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what exactly is dip?
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fishcake14
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 11:51am |
Sort of like the trajectory of the ball... like if the ball dips lots, then it means it'll come down really quickly and land further forward than the batsman thinks. Edited by fishcake14 - 20 February 2008 at 11:52am |
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Sledger
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 1:14pm |
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Quite right fishy , the ball pitches shorter than the batsman
expects ,which often gives rise to a lofted/mistimed shot and a catch.
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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kirankri
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 1:27pm |
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Exactly. And that happens due to the theory of Aerodynamics. When the rotational speed decreases, the ball tends to drop.
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legspinner102
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 4:00pm |
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hi guys and fishcake thankx for your time and info really helped!
Sorry i didn't make it clear , when i said 'what type of ball should i use' i meant like should it be rough, shiny, you know. oh guys another question, how long should my run-up be?
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spin wizard
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 4:55pm |
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Practice to bowl with shiny, rough balls. You'll be more versatile and your length of your run up should be what feels comfortable to you. I do 5 walk in then jump into the crease.
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legspinner102
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 4:57pm |
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do you ever swing your arms back? i do it as it kinda feels like it give me somekind of momentum.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 21 February 2008 at 3:29am |
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Naw, my run up and action is close to Warne's.
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Posted: 21 February 2008 at 6:11am |
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Posted: 21 February 2008 at 7:05am |
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Hey Lads,
I'm a right arm off-spinner who's about 6'3 and I've got a small problem in the sense that every delivery I bowl (even fuller ones) bounce too much and go over the stumps so I would like some help on how I can reduce bounce without a great change in my action/delivery.
Cheers
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NZ_Fast
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Posted: 21 February 2008 at 9:57am |
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Well thats a new one. Maybe take up pace bowling?? I'd say unless you lower your trajectory(which will be very difficult, requring an action change), or possible slow it down your going to struggle to rectify that problem. I'm only and ex leggie (and now pace bowler) though so not much help i guess. Edited by NZ_Fast - 21 February 2008 at 9:59am |
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fishcake14
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Posted: 21 February 2008 at 11:20am |
Bounce really shouldn't be a thing to worry about, it's one of your assets. The more bounce you get, the more trouble you'll cause, especially when you start bowling into rough patches and one waring pitches. However there are a couple of things you can do.
The first is you can change your trajectory by bolwing a bit quicker. The second is that you can apply more sidespin to the ball - the more sidespin you have, the less bounce the ball will have, but you'll gain more spin.
Another thing you could try is to release the ball a bit differently. As you release it, you could roll your thumb underneath the ball (move your thumb along from your index finger to your pinky, and you'll get what I mean) If you do this, this should apply backspin to the ball and thus give it less bounce when it lands.
Bounce is a honestly a good thing mate, and you're bound to come across pitches that offer less/more bounce. Be grateful for the bounce! But try those three and see if they help you out. Edited by fishcake14 - 21 February 2008 at 11:21am |
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akhver
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Posted: 25 February 2008 at 1:38pm |
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what do top spinners do?
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fishcake14
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Posted: 25 February 2008 at 7:31pm |
Top spinners will bounce more, as they have a lot of forward revolutions on them, so when they hit the ground they'll bounce up. The more topspin you have, the more dip you'll get as well.
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Posted: 02 March 2008 at 9:41am |
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Left arm Chinaman
bowl with a run up very similar to Warnes a walk of 6 steps and then a push at the end.
I get a lot of over spin and also side spin
my problem is consistent consistency I currently am beating all batsmen when i bowl well but always bowl at least 1 short ball an over
what is a quick way to work on accuracy
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Monty
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Posted: 02 March 2008 at 5:16pm |
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get smalltargets i.e draw some on paper then put them up somewhere and practise for a while, set yourself targets e.g. i want to hit 3 ina row, thn start agin and get 5 until youre satisfied...
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abcq
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Posted: 03 March 2008 at 12:29am |
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thanks I would also like some exercises to help strengthen my wrist...
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Posted: 03 March 2008 at 10:38am |
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Have a look at the NSD powerballs, they are self powered Gyroscopes about the same size as a cricket ball, you rotate your wrists and the the gyro spins more and more. And as the RPM on the gyro increases it becomes harder to control, it gives your whole arm a workout but, it really works well on wrist stength.
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Shane Warnabee
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Posted: 04 March 2008 at 3:34pm |
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cool how much are they? What do i do if the ball is not spinning at all?
What should i do to get a batsmen out? Should i bowl faster and flatter?
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akhver
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Posted: 08 March 2008 at 7:29am |
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I want to know how to bowl balls which bounce less
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akhver
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Posted: 08 March 2008 at 7:32am |
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Miniwarney is really cool. He helps others
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fishcake14
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Posted: 08 March 2008 at 9:55am |
Bowl them with more sidespin, that way you'll gte m,ore spin and less bounce. The more of a leggy's palm the batsman sees, the more it'll spin, the more of the back of an offy's hand the batsman sees, the more it'll spin.
And miniwarney's not here, he's been banned for about a year.
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Monty
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Posted: 14 March 2008 at 7:14pm |
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3 weeks into the new cricket season and my leg spin is atrocious, I am starting (and worryingly) thinking that my batting is better than my bowling, thanks goodness my off-spin has been doing well, but my leg spin is my best attack. I am getting lots more spin than i normally do, but the ball is going around 8 feet int he air, and Im bowling a lot of wides, if i try and keep it low then its a wide. If i aim for accuracy it doesnt spin and goes for 4. Please help!
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fishcake14
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Posted: 14 March 2008 at 10:07pm |
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Right Monty, you're crap, give up, mate :P Nah, you could try bowling more round arm to cancel out the extra overspin or bowl at a target but still spin it, that way you'll get more accurate.If you complete your action properly you'[ll also cancel out some of the loop.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 14 March 2008 at 10:52pm |
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I got that kind of problem too but not so often. My figures of late has been 4 per over or less.
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Posted: 15 March 2008 at 9:36am |
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Aren't you a seamer in the CWXI sim monty??
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Monty
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Posted: 15 March 2008 at 9:07pm |
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Ahhh, i change quite a bit, in primary i always bowled spin and was school captain,. but i was always urged by coaches to bowl fast. Anyway in Secondary, as were a rather stunning school at rugby and cricket, there were a lot of good spinners, and i started bowling fast, this didn't get me in the team... So this year ive got back into spin and, hurrah, im in!
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Shane Warnabee
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Posted: 18 March 2008 at 5:16pm |
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i have the exact opposite problem i get a hell of a lot of sidespin but i want to learn how to bowl the topspinner my wrist keeps moving side ways all the time
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Posted: 24 March 2008 at 3:22pm |
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Hi,
I registered just to reply to this great thread. There are over 94 pages of valuable tips in this thread but I see most of the things are primary things which can only be achieved by going out and bowling a few balls. I want to ask some of you experienced leg spinners about the various different strategies a leg spinner can use to gain more wickets. Like what type of field you should set, what do you do if a batsman is constantly sweeping you and is good at it too. How can you use the side crease to your effect. In some of warne's videos (esp. from the last world cup he played) I notice that he is bowling a lot from the side crease. About middle and off line..trying to make the batsman play against the spin. Yesterday I tried this at practice and got a good response. Got a guy caught and bowled and after that he started just stopping the ball which is a good thing. Sorry for the long post. But just asking how do you all use the side crease to your effect. |
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spin wizard
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Posted: 24 March 2008 at 4:05pm |
Flight is one of the biggest strategies to get wickets, especially at our level. Set men long on and long off if you're going to do that and you can bowl the odd slower ball to tempt them more. I usually bowl with a 5-4 field. Slips, point, extra cover, silly mid off, long off. Long on, shortish mid wicket, deep mid wicket, long leg. Also, bowling with a 5-4 field allows you to bowl with more options, like attacking the stump and then bowling outside off.
Sweep shots will most likely end up at long leg or deep mid wicket. Back here, these guys sweep a lot and hard and they mostly end up down deep mid wicket.
About bowling wide of the crease, I use that every now and then to pitch one on leg and rip it across the right handed batsmen.
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