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    Posted: 17 February 2011 at 5:52am
We all like to have a go at the umpires , in all forms of the game.  I thought it might be interesting to rate them after each world cup match.  From a score or 1 (shocking)  , 2 (poor) , 3 (average) ,  4 (good)  and 5 (excellent ) , half points are okay too .  We'll get to see how rational our thoughts are , especially when our teams are involved.   Simply post in this thread your score for both standing umpires and the 3rd umpire (he's got an important job and we've seen they've messed that up in the past!) , not forgetting which game you're scoring on! Then add some comments to explain your rating.  I'll collate the data at the end of each match and also at the end of the tournament to see how they all did.
             For easy reading , keep the format the same (see below)

               Match    -      England  vs  The Nederlands 

               Umpires    Simon Taufel      4
                                  Aleem Dar           3.5 
          3rd Umpire    Billy Doctrell        4

        Comments    -   Taufel , as usual did his job with the minimum of fuss. That lbw that he gave that was given not out on referral was the only reason I couldn't give him 5.  Aleem Dar had two shaky moments , the first when he asked if the Broad dismissal was a no ball when he was well behind the line and the lbw he gave when it pitched outside leg stump.  The former was a poor one , the latter was very close , in no ways could it be called a howler.    Doctrove gets 4 , getting all his decisions right , but he did take too long over that lbw against Strauss - it didn't need that many replays.
            
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 February 2011 at 6:39am
Billy Doctrell??? Nice idea though. I will be interested for sure.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 February 2011 at 7:07am
Doctrove  !!  Tis early and I had a late night matey !
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 February 2011 at 1:02pm
Sledger, I'd rather an umpire take longer and the decision right so no points would be taken away from me there.  Take that long and screw up, that I will take away for.
 
At the moment, Dar and Taufel are the best, and I am liking Gould to, doing a good job so far.  The others have their days now and again.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 February 2011 at 10:56am
Sledger, are you taking notes?

Zimbabwe have got two successful reviews - that certainly means negative score for the ump. I am following it online so cant tell who the umpire is on that end.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 February 2011 at 5:44am
I saw that mate , both plumb and given not out !  Congratulations to Zim for utilising the review system effectively.   Is it me or do umpires seem to stick the weaker sides whilst giving latitude to the top ones ?   I'll be giving my ratings on these two guys when I get the name of the 2nd umpire - da Silva is an old friend and a rather useless one too!
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The other one is Richard Kettleborough. I am not sure about that Sledge, because I remember the PAk IRL game of the 2007 WC and the umpiring was horrible though it was not tilted in the favour of the top side.
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I have watched all the games so far being in prime time here in Aus, and I would have to say that the umpiring has been very good.  The two decisions with Haddin and Watson having their LBW decisions overturned on review was tight. Both could have gone either way. I commented straight away on the Haddin decision, and called it out before it was reviewed or had seen a replay, and once slowed down it looked plumb, but it had turned a fair way. The Watson decision, he was down the track, and had bat/pad close together, so there definitely was some doubt there.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 February 2011 at 12:59pm
Probably the cushion of having the DRS makes the umpires a bit relaxed too.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 February 2011 at 2:05pm
Due to work, can't get to participate in this thread much, I won't be seeing much of the games, seeing most of them will start when I am bed (5 am my time) and the second half during my working hours.
 
Nonetheless, when West Indies and India are batting, sleep is of no concern to me, whether at midnight or 5 am!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2011 at 6:25am
I'll rate the umpires when I get to watch an entire match - watching dribs and drabs and then rating the officials would be unfair. Having said that , apart from da Silva ,they've all done pretty well.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2011 at 6:26am
Amesh Saheba too had a shocker of a game Sledge.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2011 at 6:33am
Firstly , which match was that mate and secondly where does he come from , I've never heard of him!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2011 at 6:50am
It was yesterday's SAF WIN game Sledge and that guy is an Indian and has been around for a while. Strange you have not seen him yet.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 February 2011 at 2:58am
Sledge has seen him but just can't remember his name. 
 
There was an Indian umpire, can't remember his name but he was very good.  I'm surprised he hasn't reach on the panel.  He's a lot in the IPL and a few international ODI's but I can't remember his name.  Some Tarapore or something or the other.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 February 2011 at 5:51am
Its been a while I last saw a good Indian umpire.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2011 at 6:07am
I'll go with that zuhair , generally Indian umpires have been pretty awful !
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kirankri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2011 at 6:26am
You can generalize it Sledge. The Indian subcontinent umpires have been generally bad. There may be very few exceptions -Venkat, Dar...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kirankri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2011 at 6:28am
And what about yesterday's third umpire Sledge? He deserves a 1 or probably -4 (minus 4) because he was a TV umpire. A bad decision from TV umpire should get negative...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2011 at 6:55am
Do you mean the Ian Bell debacle Kiran ?  It was out but they've made a ruling whereby if the batsman is 2.5 meters from the crease they'll stay with the standing umpire's decision.  I'm not sure that's right , but that's what they've decided and all the batsman are aware of it. 
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I don't think you can blame the TV Umpire. He was just following the rule book. There's apparently a 2.5 rule which states that the accuracy of the ball trakker isn't precise when the ball is pitched beyond the 2.5m(from the strikers stumps or the crease not sure about that) mark. Its just a matter of debate if that should have been out or not. Its the ICC that might have to do the tinkering job again with the UDRS rules.
As far as the captains and the teams are considered they just need to accept it and move on, no on field drama required.

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Originally posted by kirankri

You can generalize it Sledge. The Indian subcontinent umpires have been generally bad. There may be very few exceptions -Venkat, Dar...


Yeah I agree, indian umpiring standards have been really poor ever since venkat bid adieu.

Which Dar were you talking about kiranki? I thought he was from pakistan (Aleem Dar ie.)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2011 at 7:27am
Kiran has taken it one step ahead - from India to the Indian sub-continent :p Clever chap.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kirankri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2011 at 8:12am
Yes Vote4, I was talking about Aleem Dar.
 
Nothing clever about it Zuhair. I meant it. How many wordclass umpires have India, Pakisan, Srilanka & Bangladesh combined produced? Venkat and Dar are the only two who come to my mind who were worldclass in the past 20 years.
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Originally posted by Sledger

Do you mean the Ian Bell debacle Kiran ?  It was out but they've made a ruling whereby if the batsman is 2.5 meters from the crease they'll stay with the standing umpire's decision.  I'm not sure that's right , but that's what they've decided and all the batsman are aware of it. 
That's not correct in my opinion Sledge. Theoretically, the batsman can play forward and escape from the URDS LBW decisions (though no one has it in mind while playing a shot). So no sniko and this 2.5 meters decision would mean, URDS is totally ineffective.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2011 at 10:11am
No hopspot and snicko isn't ideal - there's been quite a few thin nicks that haven't been picked up and definitely no walking by the batsmen !
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Wouldn't say totally ineffective, true not foolproof  but did come handy a lot of times in this world cup alone.  The UDRS can only get better with time and we need to give it a shot at some point. UDRS will , i think, take the game forward and should be used consistently from now on. Just can't keep using it for selective series which is just going back and forth.
Yes would be better with the snicko and hot spot, but still present DRS for me better than No DRS!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 March 2011 at 6:01am
Agreed , any system has to be better than none at all.  The slow motion replays have effectively removed poor bat/pad decisions out of the game , but they are pretty rare in one day cricket.  The existing system is perfectly acceptable when adjudging lbws , probably it's greatest use.
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Regarding the 2.5 metre rule, if they go by standing umpires decision blindly, then why should they count it as an unsuccesful review for the bowling side Sledge? It is only the techinal limitation of device which have made them to go for this rule. In such a case why should the bowling side suffer?

Second, I guess it is the same for the batsman. When he plays 2.5 mts forward and if he is sure that ball is going to miss leg and was wrongly given out, then for none of his mistake he is given out and it will be counted as unsuccessful review against the batting side.
 
Strangely, Dhoni/Bell or Strauss didn't know about this rule!!!


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I hear you Kiran , but now that they do know about the 2.5 metre rule the fielding side should refrain from reviewing!
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