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Ntini is very good, I think he is one of the greatest going along today. His style is so unique and the way he cuts the ball. He bowls with his heart and is always between 84 - 87 mph. If I was to choose between him and lee, i would surely go for Ntini.

I also forget wes hall in my list, a classic but the best had to be malcolm marshall (shaun pollock would tell you this). he wasn't tall but still was a classic.
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Are you all trying to be stupid (with the exception of Sledg, Gambler & Clobbs) ??? Honestly, Ntini 1 of the greatest ever..... pfffffffffffffft get real....

Anyway.....

McGrath, Marshall, Lillee, Holding, Walsh, Hadlee, Akram, Trueman, Ambrose, Roberts.

Donald, Younis and Kahn were great bowlers for their country, but i don't quite rate them as high as the likes of Marshall (Poetry in motion that guy, have only seen replays/clips of his bowling, but that was enough to convince me he is the greatest).

Jeff Thompson & Mike Proctor are up there as well, but again, not quite enough to break the top 10 for mine

OHhhhhh forgot shane warne, he would have to be up there... oh wait, its fastest bowlers, not fastest SMS texters'

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i don't think denis lillee was all that great
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i don't think denis lillee was all that great


Then you disagree with ALL the greatest cricketers of yesteryear and the present!!

Fellas , I believe we've found a new member for our unique "club".
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never saw him bowl but I've seen records and every cricket lover in perth loves him. Sounds like a real b*****d to me like many players in the aussie side of that era

especially Greg and Ian Chappel



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i don't think denis lillee was all that great


Then you disagree with ALL the greatest cricketers of yesteryear and the present!!

Fellas , I believe we've found a new member for our unique "club".


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Originally posted by Clobber

Originally posted by Sledger

Originally posted by razzaq_fan

i don't think denis lillee was all that great


Then you disagree with ALL the greatest cricketers of yesteryear and the present!!

Fellas , I believe we've found a new member for our unique "club".


looks like it

I am quite sure we did.
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Yeh Lillee was so great in the subcontinent, which makes him so much better than Waqar who was pathetic in the subcontinent
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Originally posted by Shoaib_UK

Yeh Lillee was so great in the subcontinent, which makes him so much better than Waqar who was pathetic in the subcontinent

Well, it is quite an information for me that Waqar was pathetic in the subcontinent. I really appreciate the prestigious value addition from you. 
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Anyway.....

Donald, Younis and Kahn were great bowlers for their country, but i don't quite rate them as high as the likes of Marshall (Poetry in motion that guy, have only seen replays/clips of his bowling, but that was enough to convince me he is the greatest). ..................

Career Record of Waqr Younis:

                                                   Test  &a mp;n bsp;    ODIs

Matches 87 262
Runs scored 1010 969
Batting average 10.20 10.30
100s/50s 0/0 0/0
Top score 45 37
BallsOvers bowled 2704 2116.2
Wickets 373 416
Bowling average 23.56 23.84
5 wickets in innings 22 13
10 wickets in match 5 N/A
Best bowling 7/76 7/36
Catches/stumpings 18/0 35/0

Waqar Younis has some outstanding records. He is the only bowler who has taken 5 wicket hauls in 3 consecutive ODIs. He has taken 4+ wickets on 27 occasions in ODIs, which is a record. In terms of balls bowled he has also taken the fastest 50, 300, 350 and 400 wickets in ODI matches and the fastest 150, 200, 250, 300 and 350 wickets in Test matches.



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Originally posted by Shoaib_UK

Yeh Lillee was so great in the subcontinent, which makes him so much better than Waqar who was pathetic in the subcontinent

Well, it is quite an information for me that Waqar was pathetic in the subcontinent. I really appreciate the prestigious value addition from you. 

In case you didn't realise, I was being sarcastic, and trying to highlight how people are blinded by the hype of Lillee, whilst ignoring the facts, which are that Waqar had the ability to blast batsmen out on lifeless subcontinent wickets, whereas Lillee did not.

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Some stats & facts are given below.

Alan Donald

class  mat  balls  runs  wkts  bbi  bbm  ave  econ  sr  4  5  10
Tests   72   15519   7344   330   8/71   12/139   22.25   2.83   47.02   11   20   3
ODIs   164   8561   5926   272   6/23   6/23   21.78   4.15   31.47   11   2   0
First-class   316   58801   27680   1216   8/37      22.76   2.82   48.35      68   9
List A   458   22856   14941   684   6/15   6/15   21.84   3.92   33.41   27   11   0
Twenty20   2   42   53   2   2/22   2/22   26.50   7.57   21.00   0   0   0

Waqar Younis

class  mat  balls  runs  wkts  bbi  bbm  ave  econ  sr  4  5  10
Tests   87   16224   8788   373   7/76   13/135   23.56   3.25   43.49   28   22   5
ODIs   262   12698   9919   416   7/36   7/36   23.84   4.68   30.52   14   13   0
First-class   228   39182   21350   956   8/17      22.33   3.26   40.98      63   14
List A   411   19811   15083   674   7/36   7/36   22.37   4.56   29.39   27   17   0
Twenty20   7   156   181   5   3/21   3/21   36.20   6.96   31.19   0   0   0

McGrath

class  mat  balls  runs  wkts  bbi  bbm  ave  econ  sr  4  5  10
Tests   119   27993   11684   542   8/24   10/27   21.55   2.50   51.64   28   28   3
ODIs   221   11563   7425   331   7/15   7/15   22.43   3.85   34.93   9   7   0
Twenty20 Int.   2   48   79   5   3/31   3/31   15.80   9.87   9.59   0   0   0
First-class   184   40504   16912   814   8/24      20.77   2.50   49.75      41   7
List A   273   14227   8942   408   7/15   7/15   21.91   3.77   34.87   15   7   0
Twenty20   2   48   79   5   3/31   3/31   15.80   9.87   9.59   0   0   0

Wasim Akram

class  mat  balls  runs  wkts  bbi  bbm  ave  econ  sr  4  5  10
Tests   104   22627   9779   414   7/119   11/110   23.62   2.59   54.65   20   25   5
ODIs   356   18186   11812   502   5/15   5/15   23.52   3.89   36.22   17   6   0
First-class   257   50277   22549   1042   8/30      21.64   2.69   48.25      70   16
List A   594   29719   19303   881   5/10   5/10   21.91   3.89   33.73   34   12   0
Twenty20   5   114   121   8   2/19   2/19   15.12   6.36   14.25   0   0   0

I just want to ask one question. What thing on earth doesn't allow anyone to rank Donald & Waqar equal to the other top notchs?

As is apparent from the above statistics, each of them have its own strengths, e.g. McGrath & Donalds were more economical, Waqar on the other hand was much more attacking. I normally don't believe to solely rely on stastistic, but the quantitative aspects count along with qualitative aspects. Waqar is one of the all time greatest bowlers in Cricket history.
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Originally posted by shan

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Yeh Lillee was so great in the subcontinent, which makes him so much better than Waqar who was pathetic in the subcontinent

Well, it is quite an information for me that Waqar was pathetic in the subcontinent. I really appreciate the prestigious value addition from you. 

 

In case you didn't realise, I was being sarcastic, and trying to highlight how people are blinded by the hype of Lillee, whilst ignoring the facts, which are that Waqar had the ability to blast batsmen out on lifeless subcontinent wickets, whereas Lillee did not.

Ok, you were sarcastic, so was I. Waqar, as I already said is one of the greatest bowlers, however Lillie also undoubtedly occupies the place in top ten. So here again we have a difference of opinion. 
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355 Test wickets at under 24 with a strike rate of 52 is hardly hype
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Originally posted by shan

I just want to ask one question. What thing on earth doesn't allow anyone to rank Donald & Waqar equal to the other top notchs?

I agree. For me, few sights better the sight of Waqar tearing in and uprooting the leg stump with a banana of an inswinger to a batsman who never even saw it.

Atherton c Healy b McGrath  doesn't even come close.

Another thing, there will be, and are, plenty of McGrath-esque type bowlers. Close to the stumps, boring simple action, robotic, seam upright, put the ball in the right place, bore the batsmen to death. But there will never be another Waqar. Thats says it all.
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Who do you guys think are the 10 best pacers the world have ever seen.

My 10 are

Holding, Garner, Akram, W.Younis, Mcgrath, A.roberts, M.Marshall, Ntini, Ambrose, Walsh 

Ntini?

But no Lillee. Hmm...
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Originally posted by Shoaib_UK

Originally posted by shan

I just want to ask one question. What thing on earth doesn't allow anyone to rank Donald & Waqar equal to the other top notchs?

I agree. For me, few sights better the sight of Waqar tearing in and uprooting the leg stump with a banana of an inswinger to a batsman who never even saw it.

Atherton c Healy b McGrath  doesn't even come close.

Another thing, there will be, and are, plenty of McGrath-esque type bowlers. Close to the stumps, boring simple action, robotic, seam upright, put the ball in the right place, bore the batsmen to death. But there will never be another Waqar. Thats says it all.

hmmmmmmmm... yes there are plenty of "McGrath-esque type bowlers" but none of them come anywhere near close to him. Would you prefer he bowled wides, had a controversial chucking type action, seam scrambled, putting the ball all over the shop, and giving the batsman Very funnylipops each ball ??? Doh!!!! Also how many fast bowler do you see playing until the are 35/36 and are still in the top 5 bowlers in the world ??? oh wait, glen mcgrath has been about the only 1

And before you go flying off your handle, i think you'd better re-read the whole topic, you will find lots of support for both bowlers...

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No ones flying off the handle. This is a place to post opinions and that is what I have done.



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on way does ntinti desevrve to be in there. for me there would be no room for mcgrath. and what about hadlee
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my list containz:-

wasim, waqar, mcgrath, ambrose, johnson, lillie, holding, akhtar, kapil, wlash
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i think ntini should be there and not denis lillee
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Ntini no way. Not yet. We need more of what we have now from him before he could be considered.
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cmon shoaib u know ntini bowls with his heart he gives it all he has and his action is awesome he deserves respect. Hes one of the greatest bowlers in my book but thats just my opinion.
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yeh Ntini shouldn;t be there he has good two years but not whole career okz

 
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can you please not say okz
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and yes he has been bowling good all his career.
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may be we have razzq ,seeresanth, lee , bond, vaas, harmission, ntini there after few yearz but not yet okz

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i think ntini should be there and not denis lillee


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ok there clobber at least im not a bully and i have the right to my opinion.
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