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    Posted: 06 September 2006 at 2:24pm

With the annual ICC cricket awards approaching i figured it a relevant topic to bring up...

We all pretty much agree that the ICC player ratings systems is dodgy in most aspects, and my question to you is, if this rating systems system is pretty much null & void, how much notice can we take of who is chosen as cricketer of the year by these jokers???

While the nominee's for each category seem fine, it strikes me as it is most likely that the player with the "most of" will be the most likely to take out the awards with little notice taken of the players actual influence in each game.

My question to you is, are the ICC awards just a feel good award for the players with no real significence, or is it an award that the winning player has every right to be pround of takng out?? (please feel free to discuss each award as well, and whom you think may take it out and why)

Just for the record, heres a list of the nominee's for each award... (my choices are bolded)

Cricketer of the Year
Ricky Ponting, Shane Warne, Muttiah Muralitharan, Michael Hussey, Andrew Flintoff, Mohammed Yousuf, Rahul Dravid, Mahela Jayawardene, Younis Khan, Monty Panesar, Brett Lee, Makhaya Ntini, Adam Gilchrist.

Test Player of the Year
Hussey, Ponting, Yousuf, Flintoff, Warne, Muralitharan, Dravid, Jayawardene, Younis, Hayden, Ntini, Kumar Sangakarra, Kevin Pietersen

One-day Player of the Year
Hussey, Ponting, Flintoff, Jayawardene, Sangakkara, Dravid, Muttiah Muralitharan, Pietersen, Yousuf, Lee, Herschelle Gibbs, Shahid Afridi, Inzamam-ul Haq, Adam Gilchrist, Yuvraj Singh, Shane Bond, Irfan Pathan,

Emerging Player of the Year
Panesar, Alastair Cook, Denesh Ramdin, Malinga Bandara, Mohammed Asif, Upul Tharanga, Ian Bell, Shahriar Nafees.

Captain of the Year
Dravid, Ponting, Jayawardene, Michael Vaughan

Umpire of the Year
Simon Taufel, Aleem Dar, Rudi Koertzen.

Women's Cricketer of the Year
Karen Rolton, Cathryn Fitzpatrick, Anjum Chopra, Neetu David, Claire Taylor, Katherine Brunt, Emily Drumm

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I take little noticc of these awards Claps .Please help me with my ignorance, just when does the cricket year start and finish?

I ask that , because Freddie's not played much cricket since India!!
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I think they go on the performance between 1 August 05 and 1 August 06 (i to have very little knowledge... thats why i made the thread... hoping we could shed a little light on them)
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Okay , well Fred did more than enough to win the award between 1-8-05 and the middle of September!!
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My choices are

Cricketer of the Year: Ponting

Test Player of the Year: Dravid

One-day Player of the Year: Hussey

Emerging Player of the Year: Panesar (Mohammed Asif has well and truely emerged and established)

Captain of the Year: Jayawardene

Umpire of the Year: Darral Hair

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Cricketer of the Year: Ponting

Test Player of the Year: Dravid

One-day Player of the Year: Hussey

Emerging Player of the Year: Cook

Captain of the Year: Uaughan

Umpire of the Year: Simon Taufel as usual.

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 Wal... umpire of the year ....

any thoughts on the significance of these awards ???

I'm still a little sceptical of them myself. That being said, they do seem to be a little more realistic than their player rankings, as unlike the rankings, the award is chosen by a panel which is more than just the ICC Board.

Each of the captains of the 10 test playing nations, as well as the Elite board of umpires have their chance to give their input, so we may see a little more importance based on the players influence, and not just weight or runs/wickets

However, by that same token, each players value to their team varies in many ways, and i'm still not convinced that this will be truly realised despite the input from Umpires/Players. 

So.. until i find out how it is judged, i'm still unsure about the signifance...

 

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Originally posted by Clapo

 Wal... umpire of the year ....


any thoughts on the significance of these awards ???


I'm still a little sceptical of them myself. That being said, they do seem to be a little more realistic than their player rankings, as unlike the rankings, the award is chosen by a panel which is more than just the ICC Board.


Each of the captains of the 10 test playing nations, as well as the Elite board of umpires have their chance to give their input, so we may see a little more importance based on the players influence, and not just weight or runs/wickets


However, by that same token, each players value to their team varies in many ways, and i'm still not convinced that this will be truly realised despite the input from Umpires/Players. 


So.. until i find out how it is judged, i'm still unsure about the signifance...


 



No one knows who has the final say. But it's good to have it at least for a good debate!!

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Amazing no Dhoni ?? He was way better than Denesh Ramdin and Shahriar Nafees .He scored 183 no and 148 and also topped the ICC rankings this is biaased .What has Afridi done that he makes it to the ODI player of the year nominations ?

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Originally posted by Wal Bada

My choices are

Cricketer of the Year: Ponting

Test Player of the Year: Dravid

One-day Player of the Year: Hussey

Emerging Player of the Year: Panesar (Mohammed Asif has well and truely emerged and established)

Captain of the Year: Jayawardene

Umpire of the Year: Darral Hair

 

Wal Bada is right here, in each department other than Darrel Hair being Umpire of the year, but i kinda am doubtful about panesar, I would pick asif even though Wal said that he has well and truely emerged as a player and estalished, the point of the award is to give it to the most emerging player and give recognition to that player and its ASIF

Jayawardene for Cricketer of the year could also work and ponting Test player of the year



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Thanks for the categories clapo. Because dips and myself will be having a ICC Cricket Awards where all the forum members vote. We'll see how much accurate we are.
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Originally posted by dips_december

Amazing no Dhoni ?? He was way better than Denesh Ramdin and Shahriar Nafees .He scored 183 no and 148 and also topped the ICC rankings this is biaased .What has Afridi done that he makes it to the ODI player of the year nominations ?

Dhoni really only made a bang at home dips.... the other players mentioned performed well overseas which is most likely why they were nominated and Dhoni wasn't!

As for Afridi being nominated for ODI player of the year, from dec-mar afridi probably had his most consistent run of form in ODI's with quite a few match winning performances.... (correct me if i'm wrong please Pak fans)

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O thats why ,got it thanks Claps .
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i think they should add Dhoni to one day. in few odi's he came to #1 in icc ranking & his avg was 57.8 somthing like that.

 

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Amazing no Dhoni ?? He was way better than Denesh Ramdin and Shahriar Nafees .He scored 183 no and 148 and also topped the ICC rankings this is biaased .What has Afridi done that he makes it to the ODI player of the year nominations ?

Dhoni really only made a bang at home dips.... the other players mentioned performed well overseas which is most likely why they were nominated and Dhoni wasn't!

As for Afridi being nominated for ODI player of the year, from dec-mar afridi probably had his most consistent run of form in ODI's with quite a few match winning performances.... (correct me if i'm wrong please Pak fans)

Dono were you been reading but .. dhoni played in pakistan / Duabi / West IN. wit an avrage of 50+. and afridi never came close to that avrage in his whole life his avrage is 25.

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Dhoni did play in WI, but with no affect... and his average on the flat tracks he played on in India and Pak is rather misleading!!!! It did suprise me that he didn't get nominated for the rising cricketer as well, i'm just offereing a solution as to why..

 

 

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Cricketer of the year for me will go to ponting. Why ? The bloke has been wonderful in tests and odi's and thats all I got to say.

Test player of the year - Dravid.....Why? Too good a player to be true. Massive amount of consistency in the lad and on any surface. I don't know if any of you guys saw that innings in jamaica from the lad but that was probably one of the best innings I've seen in my life. On a real tough track to bat on, he carved out 2 fifties. I don't even think the great sir Don could of done it..... Just joking .

One day player of the year - Hussey. No doubt this man is an excellent performer. I know people might say its the amount of not outs but still , the guy middle the ball and finds the gap with ease and for me he has help to win aussie an amount of matches.

Emerging player - cook. To debut in the sub and make a ton is superb and he has kept that consitency till now.

Captain - Vaughny even though he hasn't played much. One of the best tactical captain I've seen.

Umpire - Taufel. He's the only man for it. He's too good for me.

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Originally posted by Sledger

I take little noticc of these awards Claps .Please help me with my ignorance, just when does the cricket year start and finish?

I ask that , because Freddie's not played much cricket since India!!

 This was exactly my reaction as I found Vaughany on the captains list a few days ago seeing as he hasn't played since December or so internationally but I think it said the award is 1 August 2006 - 1 August 2007 as Claps rightly said but that still only means he played a few (admittedly very good) matches in an England shirt, and I think it would be unfair to see him win the award.



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Dips_december and I are holding the ICC Cricket Awards. All the categories will be same and cricketers will be same too. So start sending in your favorite cricketers.
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Originally posted by dips_december

Amazing no Dhoni ?? He was way better than Denesh Ramdin and Shahriar Nafees .He scored 183 no and 148 and also topped the ICC rankings this is biaased .What has Afridi done that he makes it to the ODI player of the year nominations ?

Probably you have a point but is he an "emerging" player??? I don't think so. I would not describe Dhoni as an emerging player. He is not that new to the international scence. When you compare him to Ramdin and Nafees, he is not emerging.

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i dunno y they havnt included Dhoni,Might be a asurprise award for him.well as far as emerging player i'll go for Asif bcz he has also proved out side his country and younis and Yousef might also be highlighted.There Pair is Best Y's. There shld also be an award for best pair in cric.
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Amazing no Dhoni ?? He was way better than Denesh Ramdin and Shahriar Nafees .He scored 183 no and 148 and also topped the ICC rankings this is biaased .What has Afridi done that he makes it to the ODI player of the year nominations ?

Dhoni really only made a bang at home dips.... the other players mentioned performed well overseas which is most likely why they were nominated and Dhoni wasn't!

As for Afridi being nominated for ODI player of the year, from dec-mar afridi probably had his most consistent run of form in ODI's with quite a few match winning performances.... (correct me if i'm wrong please Pak fans)

He had a good series against Zimbabwe and New Zealand ,against Pakistan and except the winidies he averaged 55.70 in his last 36 matches while afridi averaged 11 in his last 16 and inzy averaged 38 in his last 17 .So dhoni was way better ,atleast his name should have come ahead of ramdin .now that the icc itself cannot explaiin why dhoni wasnt selected .

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I guess it is kind of a suprise to see Ramdin's name up there on that list of "Emerging Player of the Year". Somehow though...I don't mean to be pessimistic but somehow I don't think that Ramdin would win that award. I am not being negative I am just being truthful. I really don't think that he will win the award. I don't think there is any harm with him being one of the nominees though because since he may not get it the only thing that can come out of it is the building of his confidence. Because to be on that list means that you are recognized so it should help his confidence.
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I don't understand why Michael Vaughan is even a nominee for the Captain of the year award.
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Ramdin is only there to make up the list I'm afraid.
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Good point....however, there must be someone else who the ICC could have nominated instead of Ramdin. Someone better than him. I mean if you think that the ICC just nominated him to make up the list couldn't they have chosen a better player then......so that it would not have been that obvious??? You can be right about him just being there to make up numbers. However, I still think if the ICC just wanted to make up the list they could have looked for a better emerging player than Ramdin. There must be someone.



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Maybe they didn't want the windies to feel bad. Anyhow , ramdin played well in sri lanka and in the aussies but since then.......I can't bother to waste my time describing it......it just makes me feel bad .
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That's a good one spin, they didn't want to the windies to feel bad! Very funny. Well probably that's it. I guess he is the only West Indian nominee in the entire awards so you are probably dead right about they not wanting West Indies to feel bad. He played well in Sri Lanka but I think he plays the sweep shot wayyyy TOO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!! It's really a bad thing. He should get a little more variety. But then I think he was dropped for a few matches for Carlton Baugh to take his place right?????

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Yeah, baugh deserved that spot and he played it great too coming in at the end and slogging it a long way for a short lad. Anyways, Ramdin is a good lad and I think he will make a good comeback I hope.
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I have to agree with you that Carlton did bat really well....(Much better than Ramdin) so he did deserve the spot. I guess there might be some competition between those two for selection.
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