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    Posted: 02 May 2007 at 12:38pm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2007 at 2:51am
Does anyone know why Simon Taufel wasnt umpiring the WC Final? Being the number one umpire three years in a row and he doesnt do the biggest game in 4 years??? I doubt that there would have been any of those blunders if he was in the final....Just a bit odd that he wasnt involved....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2007 at 3:07am
He is Australian, and therefore couldn't be 'neutral' according to the rules.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2007 at 3:16am
I really should have thought about that one.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2007 at 5:09am
I think we had enough of him in the first semi final, and with his standards he would have done everything to ruin the final!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2007 at 5:36am
Don't be ridiculous wisey, 1 bad game dosen't make him a bad umpire, he has been consisitantly the best for a fair while. It's a shame that it has to come down to having neutral umpires, a few countries have ruined it because of a) the way their umpires have acted with bias and b) because the same countries live the by the ethos that all other countries umpires would show the same bias as them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2007 at 7:21am
I don't think taufel had a very good world cup by his high standards.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2007 at 9:01am
Not many of the umpires did.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2007 at 10:09am
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2007 at 10:49am
As far as the Umpiring is concerned it was almost perfect in the final, so Toufel probably could only be included on the basis of being no. 1, but he usually has the lion's share of all assignments so not operating in a final would not harm that much!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2007 at 12:16pm
Taufel isn't umpiring Australian games because the subcontinent mob are so paranoid and precious when it comes to bias that the ICC had to introduce this neutral umpire stance. If cricket still can't have the best umpires officiating games in this day and age because of a worry that more 50-50 decisions will go one way depending on the race of the umpire and team in question then what does that say about where cricket is at?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2007 at 7:56am
Did Australia Cheat its Way to Victory?

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CNN:
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/SPORT/04/29/cricket.gilchrist.reut/index.html
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> Fox Sports:
> http://msn.foxsports.com/cricket/story/6750260
 
It has been revealed soon after the emphatic Australian win against Sri Lanka in the 2007 Cricket World Cup, that the star batsman and man of the match, Adam Gilchrist used a squash ball to improve his grip in his bottom hand. The confusing gestures he made soon after reaching his century before going on to make 149 out of 104 balls was to in fact, that the person who made the suggestion.

In light of the stellar performance of Gilchrist when every other batsman
including Matthew Hayden failed to maintain a strike rate of 100%, this so called `squash-ball grip` becomes quite intriguing, if not illegal
Or cheating, I dare say.

Consider this: Wicket keepers are only allowed to wear gloves with
No webbing (except between the index finger & thumb). Fielders are not allowed to wear gloves that might help them grip the ball better. Bowlers are not allowed to wear plaster on their fingers even if there is a genuine injury.
Batsmen are only allowed approved gear for protection. A fielder needs to obtain the permission of the umpire prior to leaving the field. A batsman must obtain the consent of the opposing Captain to get a runner, even if there are obvious injuries preventing him from running.
 
Need I mention about banned substances that enhance performance?
Clearly, Gilchrist used a non-traditional foreign object to enhance his grip.
Perhaps even his mis-hits going over the boundary for a six is an example of the undue advantage gained by this enhanced grip. To say that a man who has been in poor form throughout the tournament just came back to stellar form during the all important final, and that the squash ball is just a coincidence is simply naïve. After all, these are guys who wanted SLC investigated for a mere team selection policy. Had the roles been reversed, and Sanath Jayasuriya was the one with the squash-ball, I`m sure the cricketing world would be on fire now with all sorts of accusations fired at Sri Lanka for cheating.
 
I am quite surprised that no one has raised this issue yet. I hope that SLC and whoever is responsible will raise this issue, and if nothing else make sure that the rules governing such things are made clear for the future.
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Here we go..
"His classical hits down the ground, met with a checked drive, were Tendulkar at his best. It was though he had a new lease of life." - Sachin Tendulkar's return to cricket with a 91-Ball century.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2007 at 8:49am
There's no law against using "non-traditional foreign objects" to enhance your grip.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2007 at 9:00am

Surley that post embarrasses all sri lankans.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2007 at 1:30pm
I am not sure if it is illegal or not, but it was a fantastic idea.....whoever thought of it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2007 at 2:47pm
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I`m sure the cricketing world would be on fire now with all sorts of accusations fired at Sri Lanka for cheating.


yeah yeah yeah, here we go again
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2007 at 5:20pm
Thats one of the grey areas that the ICC has to do something but still it's history mates
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2007 at 5:47pm

I don't see why he can't do that. Besides are you saying that a squash ball won the world cup

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2007 at 12:24am
It's no different than using 1 & 1/2 grips, or tape in different places on your handle, to suggest it's cheating is garbage, it mearly keeps his hand in the position it should be. I find it disgraceful that some sri lankans can consider muralis action fine, yet call this sort of thing cheating, all because they got beat by a much better team. shame shame shame
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2007 at 4:25am
murali is no cheater? explain to me how he is, cuz he has an unorthodox action? oh shutup every batsmean in the world would use something liek a squashball to get better grip, so why dont you see them wearing it? gilchrist is a reat batsmen no lie, but how is it the match that he wears a squahs ball, he wins the world cup for austrilia, coincednece? i think not
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2007 at 5:15am
You don't think period.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2007 at 5:51am
What a pack of sore losers. Deal with the fact that you were flogged fair and square ad get over it.... Pathetic excuses. And Jaya, werent you going to bring something up after the WC final? Oh, thats right. You called me a joke for tipping Australia to win the final comfortably. Who is the joke now mate???? 143, your comment Re: the grips, was spot on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2007 at 6:12am
Originally posted by Jayasuriya

oh shutup every batsmean in the world would use something liek a squashball to get better grip, so why dont you see them wearing it? gilchrist is a reat batsmen no lie, but how is it the match that he wears a squahs ball, he wins the world cup for austrilia, coincednece? i think not

It improves Gilchrist's grip because it corrects a problem he has with his bottom hand not being in the right position. Most batsman don't have that problem because they don't have the same grip, which means they wouldn't benefit from putting a squash ball in their glove. It's no coincidence that Gilchrist batted a lot better, and hit the ball in different areas to where he normally does. It's also not illegal. There are no regulations about what a player can do to the grip on their bat or what their batting gloves must be like.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2007 at 7:38am
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Had the roles been reversed, and Sanath Jayasuriya was the one with the squash-ball, I`m sure the cricketing world would be on fire now with all sorts of accusations fired at Sri Lanka for cheating.
Actually that is a fair point and you could safely bet your mortgage on the fact that the Australian reaction would have been immediate and vitriolic had roles been reversed.

OK, that aside I'm quite interested in the squash ball (it was half a squash ball) use.  I fail to see how this can rectify an issue in Gilchrist's grip, given that he has batted fantastically well throughout his career to-date.  The only way the squash ball could be legitimately used would be to rectify a sudden physical change in his hand and presumably he hasn't suddenly lost a chunk of his palm.

It is much the same as secreting a spring or some such device within your glove and, regardless of the holier than though bleating of the Australian contingent,  this cannot be construed as playing within the spirit of the laws.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2007 at 7:40am
But Sanath Jayasuriya doesn't need a squash ball, because his grip is different to Gilchrist's
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2007 at 7:43am
Can you please point out to me why, if it is an issue with Gilchrist's grip, he has not used it throughout his career?  There are only so many ways you can grip a cricket bat.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2007 at 7:49am

I agree that he probably should've used it throughout his career, but I don't agree with the Jayasuriya part. He might not have any big problems with his grip that need changing.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2007 at 7:51am

Just a question...Do you think if the Lankans did something similar it would be accepted??  I think not.  It would be on the front page of every sports paper calling them cheats...........

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2007 at 7:54am
It is there so it will feel uncomfortable if his hand moves into a position it shouldn't be.
And your comment  "Actually that is a fair point and you could safely bet your mortgage on the fact that the Australian reaction would have been immediate and vitriolic had roles been reversed."
 
is just a spiteful loaded statment intended to cause an argument, your credability is very limited as it is, you have just lowered it even further.
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