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   <title>Anyone Else Tried This? : No I mean my garden patio. </title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1985">Freddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 May 2007 at 4:16pm<br /><br />No I mean my garden patio.]]>
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   <title>Anyone Else Tried This? : By concrete do you mean &amp;#034;all-weather&amp;#034;?...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3392">benkola13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 May 2007 at 4:09pm<br /><br />By concrete do you mean "all-weather"?]]>
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   <title>Anyone Else Tried This? : can we open up a new thread called...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1822">Pietersen Fan</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 April 2007 at 10:35pm<br /><br />can we open up a new thread called "the joys of concreat in cricket" i think it would be a real hit<DIV></DIV>]]>
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   <title>Anyone Else Tried This? : i agree with fishy, concrete doesnt...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1790">70_degree_spin</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 April 2007 at 10:21pm<br /><br />i agree with fishy, concrete doesnt spin much at all but you still get plenty of wickets from the weird bounce]]>
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   <title>Anyone Else Tried This? : i have to say to stop your row...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3456">TheOldEnemy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 April 2007 at 10:51pm<br /><br /><DIV>i have to say to stop your row <img src="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="T&#111;ngue" />&nbsp;i think it depends completly on your delivery if your somneone who tosses it up alot normally finger spiners you are likely to get more turn on grass well short grass and wrist spinners who tend to send it at a more reasonable pace down the pitch i would have thought it would have turned the same depending on the net and grass i suppose.</DIV><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by TheOldEnemy - 17 April 2007 at 10:53pm</span>]]>
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   <title>Anyone Else Tried This? : Nah, it&amp;#039;s just rubbish! </title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1451">fishcake14</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 April 2007 at 9:13pm<br /><br />Nah, it's just rubbish! <img src="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />]]>
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   <title>Anyone Else Tried This? : Is it like I described - skiddy?...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=837">spin wizard</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 April 2007 at 9:09pm<br /><br /><P>Is it like I described - skiddy?</P>]]>
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   <title>Anyone Else Tried This? : That clears it up. We must ahve...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1451">fishcake14</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 April 2007 at 9:08pm<br /><br />That clears it up. We must ahve stupid concrete in Scotland because it has no spin whatsoever. <img src="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />]]>
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   <title>Anyone Else Tried This? : Some concrete spin more than some....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=837">spin wizard</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 April 2007 at 8:57pm<br /><br />Some concrete spin more than some. I have played on 2 type of concrete surface and one turned more than the other. One was a bit rougher and the other had like a sheen so the ball skidded. I had real hell batting on it saturday!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1451">fishcake14</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 April 2007 at 8:38pm<br /><br />Sorry, unless the English concrete is different to Scottish concrete, it doesn't spin.]]>
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   <title>Anyone Else Tried This? :  Originally posted by fishcake14 Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1640">TCA123</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 April 2007 at 5:56pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by fishcake14</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by benkola13 <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>It might not work on a normal wicket because concrete grips a ball better than grass/ normal wicket.</td></tr></table> </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Rubbish! Concrete doesn't grip at all! If you can turn a ball on concrete thn it will spin much more&nbsp;on a decent grass wicket.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&#091;/QUOTE</strong></em><br /><br /><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>concrete spins a mile</DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>concrete spins a mile</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Anyone Else Tried This? : thats how bedser bowled his leg...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1790">70_degree_spin</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 April 2007 at 4:15pm<br /><br />thats how bedser bowled his leg breaks]]>
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   <title>Anyone Else Tried This? : If your not getting alot of spin...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3429">RubberWrist</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 April 2007 at 7:46am<br /><br />If your not getting alot of spin try spreading your fingers less over the seam.&nbsp; If its uncomfortable to hold then bring your fingers in more.&nbsp; I practise on grass and when i go to the nets which are concrete i have to turn it up a bit to get spin.]]>
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   <title>Anyone Else Tried This? : I know some one who bowls leg...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3066">revolutions</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 April 2007 at 8:47pm<br /><br /><P>I know some one who bowls leg breaks like that he does not get alot of turn but gets enough, he uses his fingers rather than his wrist</P>]]>
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   <title>Anyone Else Tried This? :  Originally posted by Whitheanddon&amp;#039;t...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1451">fishcake14</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 April 2007 at 2:23pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Whitheand</strong></em><br /><br />don't you generally grip across the seam, which allows you to impart more spin on it. <BR>.</td></tr></table> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>That is the general coaching method, although some people don't feel comfortable holding the ball across the seam, and a scrambled seam allows for more disguise.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Anyone Else Tried This? : don&amp;#039;t you generally grip...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3393">Whitheand</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 April 2007 at 2:16pm<br /><br />don't you generally grip across the seam, which allows you to impart more spin on it.<br />Interesting theory, but I'll stick to the orthodox grip for my off-breaks. Might give it a quick try, though.]]>
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   <title>Anyone Else Tried This? : And I clearly haven&amp;#039;t mastered...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1451">fishcake14</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 April 2007 at 2:06pm<br /><br />And I clearly haven't mastered the quote thing either.... <img src="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />]]>
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   <title>Anyone Else Tried This? :  Originally posted by benkola13...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1451">fishcake14</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 April 2007 at 2:04pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by benkola13 <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>It might not work on a normal wicket because concrete grips a ball better than grass/ normal wicket. &#091;/QUOTE</strong></em><br /><br /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Rubbish! Concrete doesn't grip at all! If you can turn a ball on concrete thn it will spin much more&nbsp;on a</td></tr></table> </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Rubbish! Concrete doesn't grip at all! If you can turn a ball on concrete thn it will spin much more&nbsp;on a decent grass wicket.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by fishcake14 - 11 April 2007 at 2:05pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3392">benkola13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 April 2007 at 7:01pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Freddie</strong></em><br /><br />As you may know I am an off-break bowler, and because I've never really been able to extract a lot of turn form my off-breaks I've decided to mess about with how I grip the ball, so instead of using a normal grip I've come up with a new style of grip (I've called it the fork grip). <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Basically by the fork grip I mean you basically grip the ball in the shape of a fork, you put your middle finger on the seam and your other two fingers on either side of the seam on the sides of the ball, I've tried it and managed to extract quite a bit of turn with the ball on concrete, so I don't know how much turn I can get from it on a normal wicket but I'm fairly confident of it being a decent way to grip the ball.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Because of the way the ball s gripped as well you could in theory use it to bowl off break, leg break, medium pace and maybe even fast bowlers could use it, but I've never seen it used by anyone else and I was wondering if anyone else used it. I think it's a fairly effective way to bowl so try it.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Your views on the 'fork grip'....</DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>It might not work on a normal wicket because concrete grips a ball better than grass/ normal wicket. Hope it works out for you, but i'm going to stay with my same grip.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1650">Shane Warnabee</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 April 2007 at 6:54pm<br /><br />i used to have that exact same grip a few years ago.<br />But eventually i lowered my 3rd finger bit.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=19">-JP-</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 April 2007 at 12:54pm<br /><br />I might give that a try next time I bowl.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1985">Freddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3467<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 April 2007 at 12:39pm<br /><br />As you may know I am an off-break bowler, and because I've never really been able to extract a lot of turn form my off-breaks I've decided to mess about with how I grip the ball, so instead of using a normal grip I've come up with a new style of grip (I've called it the fork grip).<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Basically by the fork grip I mean you basically grip the ball in the shape of a fork, you put your middle finger on the seam and your other two fingers on either side of the seam on the sides of the ball, I've tried it and managed to extract quite a bit of turn with the ball on concrete, so I don't know how much turn I can get from it on a normal wicket but I'm fairly confident of it being a decent way to grip the ball.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Because of the way the ball s gripped as well you could in theory use it to bowl off break, leg break, medium pace and maybe even fast bowlers could use it, but I've never seen it used by anyone else and I was wondering if anyone else used it. I think it's a fairly effective way to bowl so try it.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Your views on the 'fork grip'....</DIV>]]>
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