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Subject: 2845
Posted: 04 March 2007 at 11:19am

woops! wrong thread. sorryConfused]]> Sun, 04 Mar 2007 11:19:52 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=118838#118838 attacking off spin? : we are talking about bowling off... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=118739#118739 Author: 70_degree_spin
Subject: 2845
Posted: 03 March 2007 at 6:10pm

we are talking about bowling off spin, why have you just told us how to play it?]]> Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:10:41 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=118739#118739 attacking off spin? : u shuld try doing front defence... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=118649#118649 Author: legspinner102
Subject: 2845
Posted: 02 March 2007 at 5:31pm

u shuld try doing front defence right at the pitch of the ball.keep ya bat straight so and angled downwards so it doesnt go for a catch.
P.S LEAN FORWARDS!!!


Edited by legspinner102 - 02 March 2007 at 5:32pm]]> Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:31:52 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=118649#118649 attacking off spin? : Exactly, which is pretty much... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=113126#113126 Author: fishcake14
Subject: 2845
Posted: 30 January 2007 at 4:59pm

Exactly, which is pretty much why Giles doesn't bowl anymore! LOL]]> Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:59:01 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=113126#113126 attacking off spin? : yep i agree fishy, turn makes... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=113124#113124 Author: Pietersen Fan
Subject: 2845
Posted: 30 January 2007 at 4:39pm

yep i agree fishy, turn makes variations more effective, also the turn allows him to bowl a more attacking line and not get slogged, if giles bowled the line that panesar does he would get hit for 6 more often than not ]]> Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:39:43 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=113124#113124 attacking off spin? : Originally posted by Cham3Le0nand... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=113123#113123 Author: fishcake14
Subject: 2845
Posted: 30 January 2007 at 4:33pm

Originally posted by Cham3Le0n

and yea Fishcake14...........Thats another point I have been wanting to Make,Its the Offspinner, not the Pitch,Ball weather etc. Paul Harris Puts basically NO SPIN on the ball, it wouldnt turn on a Trampoline :P. He is a SLOW left arm bowler that is Still very capable of taking wickets, but Spinners like him are the ones which alot of you guys think represent ALL offies or Orthadox Bowlers. NO, Some Turn the ball, some dont, either way they are there for a reason, they can do damage regardless of what people think of them!!!
 
Ok, but take Ashley Giles and Monty Panesar:
 
  • Giles doesn't turn it, thus very rarely takes wickets.
  • Panesar turns it and gets wickets. This also allows Panesar to slip in a straighter ball, which will be deadly after a few turn. Giles gets little spin, so this ball's a bit pointless and so he's lost variation.

Paul Harris has been lucky in the fact he's played on very spin-friendly pitches. The day the pitch isn't helpful will most probably be the day he'll be less useful.

]]> Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:33:11 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=113123#113123 attacking off spin? : Offies can take wickets!! My goodness... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=113036#113036 Author: Vipera russelli
Subject: 2845
Posted: 30 January 2007 at 10:34am

Offies can take wickets!! My goodness that is true! the problem is current day spinners rely too much on doosra (Yes! Murali! my finger is pointed at you!) and flipper, they forget the classic dismissal types of offies.

Why Murali and Harbhajan are so reluctant to bowl round the wicker to RHB? they definietly set a negative mind set in the next generation. I personally love to bowl round the wicket to RHB, and to pitch it 3-4 inches out side off stump to win LBWs.

When bowling over the wicket most offies bowl too straight. Very rarely you see an orthadox offie attacking off sump and keeping the square cover open for batsman to have a go. It's exceedingly rare to see a offie flighting it over the eye line of the batsman too.]]> Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:34:03 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=113036#113036 attacking off spin? : i think they can b attacking because... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=112956#112956 Author: sana_boy
Subject: 2845
Posted: 30 January 2007 at 2:45am

i think they can b attacking because spinners have the ability 2 take of da speed of da ball so yea]]> Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:45:59 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=112956#112956 attacking off spin? : Originally posted by warnesterim... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=112776#112776 Author: Cham3Le0n
Subject: 2845
Posted: 29 January 2007 at 4:55am

Originally posted by warnester

im not being funny here but we could see orthodox offspin die into a part time art, with the likes of symonds and sehwag being the top level in years to come....... theyre not even bad bowlers and do turn it and with dramatic changes of pace and an arm ball could develop to be very dangerous in the one day form especially........


You see... I'm not the only person here who thinks that any Off Spinner is capable. Virender Sehwag is like My Favourite Offie, he turns the ball a mile and often turns a dead end into wickets. And even Andrew Symonds is very capable...I think his Pace Bowling should be put aside, unfortunately due to the fact that he changes between Pace and Spin so often...He cant usually Settle with one Style. this is bad because he doesnt understand alot of variation In Off Spin. He can Bowl a good Arm Ball, but he rushes through his deliveries. both these guys are to some people very 'Average' of spinners, But at least I know that I'm not the only person here who believes in Off Spin, and beleives that perhaps with some Support, these Bowlers could really accomplish some Great things.
Thanks 'Warnester']]> Mon, 29 Jan 2007 04:55:31 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=112776#112776 attacking off spin? : and yea Fishcake14...........Thats... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=112773#112773 Author: Cham3Le0n
Subject: 2845
Posted: 29 January 2007 at 4:48am

and yea Fishcake14...........Thats another point I have been wanting to Make,Its the Offspinner, not the Pitch,Ball weather etc. Paul Harris Puts basically NO SPIN on the ball, it wouldnt turn on a Trampoline :P. He is a SLOW left arm bowler that is Still very capable of taking wickets, but Spinners like him are the ones which alot of you guys think represent ALL offies or Orthadox Bowlers. NO, Some Turn the ball, some dont, either way they are there for a reason, they can do damage regardless of what people think of them!!!]]> Mon, 29 Jan 2007 04:48:23 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=112773#112773 attacking off spin? : Well, I dissagree 100% to people... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=112772#112772 Author: Cham3Le0n
Subject: 2845
Posted: 29 January 2007 at 4:41am

Well, I dissagree 100% to people who think you have to be a Leggie!!! I mean DAMN, look at Greg Matthews, Formely Of Australia. This guy was Crazy, he was generally an Off Break Bowler, But he Confused the Batsmans so much with His Flight Spin and His Action. And he took 512 wickets in his career. So NO you dont have to be a leggie, look at all the great Spinners, they have all been hit for 6... You just have to imprivise when it comes time to Bowl, you have to think "How can I beat him in flight, How can I bowl around him" etc. I mean No wonder there are more Fastbowlers these days........Because Negative people actually think that Seam Bowling is the only key to success. Yes I'll agree with you when you say Leggies are sometimes more Consistent and Confusing than Offies, but thats generally based on the bowlers style. Cameron White of Australia is probably in my opinion a very Average Leg Spinner. He doesnt bowl Leg Breaks very often, all he bowls is Toppies and Googly's, and to be onest it doesnt usually get him very far. Thus why you'll see someone like Micheal Clarke Bowling more than him, because Clarke Reduces Runs, and he is capable of taking wickets. Not to say I dont like leggies "HELL NO" Sachin Tendulkar is one of my Fav's and he is an Excellent Leggie.

My point is If you are Capable of Changing your Length,Pace,Action etc. Then anything is possible. I do agree that Leggies are often more Capable of taking wickets, But Offies are Fully capable also!!!]]> Mon, 29 Jan 2007 04:41:36 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=112772#112772 attacking off spin? : Off spin art is killed by coaches... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=112755#112755 Author: Vipera russelli
Subject: 2845
Posted: 28 January 2007 at 8:16pm

Off spin art is killed by coaches who could not appriciate the orthadox off spinners with un-orthadox mind set.

1. bowlers who could vary the spin on stock ball (like me)
2. fastish offies, who get batsman beaten for pace and then LBW
3. Offies with a run-up like Saqlain, who spend lot of time on the front foor before delivering the ball

The potential of these three types has not been identified by the coaches and it makes all offies uniform, wunlike leggies who are diverse in their styles.]]> Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:16:15 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=112755#112755 attacking off spin? : he probelm with fingerspinners... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=111842#111842 Author: Pietersen Fan
Subject: 2845
Posted: 25 January 2007 at 2:03pm

he probelm with fingerspinners that can bowl the doosra is that they bowl it far to much, salquain is a good example of this]]> Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:03:02 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=111842#111842 attacking off spin? : I think people are referrring... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=111716#111716 Author: Kallis Fan
Subject: 2845
Posted: 25 January 2007 at 7:40am

I think people are referrring to spinners being an attacking option - as in they actually get batsmen out through spin and guile. This is instead of bowling, a tight, miserly line that in the end makes the bat get themselves out - but this is becuase of pressure. ]]> Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:40:07 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=111716#111716 attacking off spin? : i think spinners are truly a wonderful... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=111648#111648 Author: sl_crew
Subject: 2845
Posted: 25 January 2007 at 3:06am

i think spinners are truly a wonderful wepon of attacking option 4 captain because spinners have the ability 2 take the pace off the ball which mean the batsman  have 2 generate its own speed 2 play his shots and if u look at the history the leading test wicket holders are spineers so spinners are a good atacking option 4 captain]]> Thu, 25 Jan 2007 03:06:48 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=111648#111648 attacking off spin? : Well yeah, footholes would help... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=109836#109836 Author: slogger72N/O
Subject: 2845
Posted: 17 January 2007 at 7:39pm

Well yeah, footholes would help anyone, but Murali could turn the ball on anything, he just turns it more with footholes]]> Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:39:57 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=109836#109836 attacking off spin? : always helps........ http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=109835#109835 Author: warnester
Subject: 2845
Posted: 17 January 2007 at 7:38pm

always helps........LOL

]]> Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:38:35 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=109835#109835 attacking off spin? : I don't reckon Murali really... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=109301#109301 Author: slogger72N/O
Subject: 2845
Posted: 15 January 2007 at 7:27am

I don't reckon Murali really needs footholes anyway, he would spin the ball on anything]]> Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:27:09 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=109301#109301 attacking off spin? : Vaas and Murali. There we go! http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=108917#108917 Author: fishcake14
Subject: 2845
Posted: 13 January 2007 at 4:23pm

Vaas and Murali. There we go! LOL]]> Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:23:12 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=108917#108917 attacking off spin? : right if youve got a world class... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=108807#108807 Author: Pietersen Fan
Subject: 2845
Posted: 13 January 2007 at 12:46am

right if youve got a world class finger spinner, offy that is, and you also have a world class left arm pace bowler, why not get the captian to put this left armer on at the other end to make sum nice foot holes, not purposfully but it would work, of even, get you right arm pace bowler to bowl round the wicket early in an innings to the left hand opening batsmen that most international teams have and make some tasty footholes

]]> Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:46:26 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=108807#108807 attacking off spin? : im not being funny here but we... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=108444#108444 Author: warnester
Subject: 2845
Posted: 11 January 2007 at 6:03pm

im  not being funny here but we could see orthodox offspin die into a part time art, with the likes of symonds and sehwag being the top level in years to come....... theyre not even bad bowlers and do turn it and with dramatic changes of pace and an arm ball could develop to be very dangerous in the one day form especially........]]> Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:03:40 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=108444#108444 attacking off spin? : I think everyone agreed no about... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106586#106586 Author: fishcake14
Subject: 2845
Posted: 05 January 2007 at 7:14pm

I think everyone agreed no about 300 years, though mate! LOL Just look attoday with Paul Harris: super spin-friendly pitch, 1 wicket in 22 overs!Thumbs%20Down]]> Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:14:48 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106586#106586 attacking off spin? : Originally posted by shanWhat... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106575#106575 Author: 70_degree_spin
Subject: 2845
Posted: 05 January 2007 at 7:05pm

Originally posted by shan

What do you call Murali? He's definately not a leggie, and you say he's not an offies either, then what do you call that 70Ds? I wish to learn a lot from you.


Murali is not an orthodox off spinner. He is an unorthodox off spinner. He is so much better than every other off spinner in the world that this would be a boring discussion if he were involved, I'm trying to discuss if finger spin is still effective and that means spinning it in an orthodox way like Harbhajan or Powar. If you want to involve Murali in the discussion then thats fine. Murali is the bestt offy in the world. He is capable of attacking with off spin. There, that is the discussion finished. Get my point?
]]> Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:05:25 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106575#106575 attacking off spin? : muralispin anyone? http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106559#106559 Author: youngmurali
Subject: 2845
Posted: 05 January 2007 at 6:25pm

muralispin anyone?]]> Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:25:37 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106559#106559 attacking off spin? : Thats a bit of a mouthfull isn't... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106525#106525 Author: slogger72N/O
Subject: 2845
Posted: 05 January 2007 at 4:58pm

Thats a bit of a mouthfull isn't it, what about unorthodox spin?]]> Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:58:27 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106525#106525 attacking off spin? : How about freakishly-bendy-double-joint-spin? ... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106483#106483 Author: Chin Music
Subject: 2845
Posted: 05 January 2007 at 2:49pm

How about freakishly-bendy-double-joint-spin?]]> Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:49:20 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106483#106483 attacking off spin? : What about wrist off- elbow spinner,... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106447#106447 Author: shan
Subject: 2845
Posted: 05 January 2007 at 1:03pm

What about wrist off- elbow spinner, it would make both of you happy and wouldn't even bother the great Murali from taking batsmen's wickets and making them look like a fool.LOL

Edited by shan - 05 January 2007 at 1:04pm]]> Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:03:14 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106447#106447 attacking off spin? : The point is it's not an... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106423#106423 Author: Chin Music
Subject: 2845
Posted: 05 January 2007 at 10:54am

The point is it's not an orthadox action even slightly so it can't be categorised]]> Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:54:12 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106423#106423 attacking off spin? : ..or wrist off spin. Sounds better... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106417#106417 Author: RightHandBat
Subject: 2845
Posted: 05 January 2007 at 10:32am

..or wrist off spin. Sounds better than elbow-spin. ]]> Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:32:44 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106417#106417 attacking off spin? : There's wrist-spin amd there's... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106412#106412 Author: Chin Music
Subject: 2845
Posted: 05 January 2007 at 10:13am

There's wrist-spin amd there's finger-spin, then there's Murali...I like to think of him as "elbow-spin"
]]> Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:13:23 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2845&PID=106412#106412