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Subject: 2252
Posted: 17 September 2008 at 4:25am

Thanx SW...that did it :D]]> Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:25:12 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186740#186740 Best ever ODI player? : Ok zuhair - check your web browser... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186730#186730 Author: spin wizard
Subject: 2252
Posted: 16 September 2008 at 9:11pm

Ok zuhair - check your web browser settings and what add ons have been disabled and enable them, that might do the trcik.]]> Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:11:11 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186730#186730 Best ever ODI player? : Try this Zuhair http://img165.... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186716#186716 Author: crapbag
Subject: 2252
Posted: 16 September 2008 at 2:00pm

Try this Zuhair
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3236/top30testbowlersut0.jpg

Edited by crapbag - 16 September 2008 at 2:01pm]]> Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:00:42 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186716#186716 Best ever ODI player? : Thanx SW..did not help though.... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186694#186694 Author: zuhair_abbasi
Subject: 2252
Posted: 16 September 2008 at 4:19am

Thanx SW..did not help though. ]]> Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:19:40 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186694#186694 Best ever ODI player? : Originally posted by spin wizardAnyhow,... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186690#186690 Author: crapbag
Subject: 2252
Posted: 15 September 2008 at 6:55pm

Originally posted by spin wizard

Anyhow, not a bad list at all.  Some top class bowlers there! 
 

Wait, on second thoughts, no - just where is Micheal Holding???
#31, with 1215.]]> Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:55:36 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186690#186690 Best ever ODI player? : Anyhow, not a bad list at all.... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186688#186688 Author: spin wizard
Subject: 2252
Posted: 15 September 2008 at 5:50pm

Anyhow, not a bad list at all.  Some top class bowlers there! 
 
Wait, on second thoughts, no - just where is Micheal Holding???
]]> Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:50:44 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186688#186688 Best ever ODI player? : Hope that helps zuhair!... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186687#186687 Author: spin wizard
Subject: 2252
Posted: 15 September 2008 at 5:48pm



Hope that helps zuhair!]]> Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:48:22 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186687#186687 Best ever ODI player? : For some reason I cant view this... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186665#186665 Author: zuhair_abbasi
Subject: 2252
Posted: 15 September 2008 at 6:57am

For some reason I cant view this list on my screen. Can anybody do me the favor and paste the same?
]]> Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:57:19 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186665#186665 Best ever ODI player? : Fred at number 4 - there might... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186662#186662 Author: Sledger
Subject: 2252
Posted: 15 September 2008 at 6:50am

Fred at number 4 - there might be something to these tables afterall !]]> Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:50:47 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186662#186662 Best ever ODI player? : Edited by crapbag - 14 September... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186628#186628 Author: crapbag
Subject: 2252
Posted: 14 September 2008 at 9:21am




Edited by crapbag - 14 September 2008 at 9:23am]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:21:38 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186628#186628 Best ever ODI player? : Next, the test bowlers. Similar... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186627#186627 Author: crapbag
Subject: 2252
Posted: 14 September 2008 at 9:19am

Next, the test bowlers. Similar theory was used to compare them. That is comparing bowlers Average, Sr and ER to the rest of the bowlers who were playing in the same period as him. But unlike in ODIs where I gave equal importance to Average, ER and SR, the weight is different. Strike rate is the most important in Tests. I would take a bowler who's going to deliver 10-0-40-3 over a bowler who will do 20-5-40-3. Hence, SR carries a weight of 2.0. Average carries a weight of 1.5. Economy rate 0.5

Example:
Player: Muttiah Muralitharan 1992-2008
Wickets: 756, Avg: 21.96, SR: 54.2, ER: 2.42.

From 1992-2008, bowlers have bowled 1405324 deliveries, giving away 687481 runs and taking 20997 test wickets. This gives a Global Average(GA) of 32.74, Global SR (GSR) of 66.93 and Global Economay Rate (GER) of 2.94 during Murali's career.

The Avrage of all bowlers in test cricket is 31.49, SR - 70.90 and ER - 2.66.

Based on that Murali has an Adjusted Avg, SR and ER of 21.12, 57.42 and 2.19. These are 1.550, 1.388 and 1.166 times better than the global values. The combined value calculated as (1.55 * 1.5 + 1.388 * 2 + 1.166 * 0.5)/4.

Longetivity index was calculated using number of deliveries bowled. (Balls - 20000) / 100000 was used.

For pre 1935 playes 25% added to the points because of the difficult situations they were faced with.

Inclusion criteria was at least 3000 deliveries.

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:19:34 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186627#186627 Best ever ODI player? : Originally posted by zuhair_abbasiThat's... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186567#186567 Author: crapbag
Subject: 2252
Posted: 11 September 2008 at 3:58pm

Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

That's a near perfect list with a very few notable absentees. Fanie De villiers is one.
de Villiers had a gun ER. Average and SR were good as well. But he played limited number of matches. That makes him to get a low longevity index, that pushes him down the list to 30 odd place.]]> Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:58:58 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186567#186567 Best ever ODI player? : Originally posted by bladescapeI... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186566#186566 Author: crapbag
Subject: 2252
Posted: 11 September 2008 at 3:57pm

Originally posted by bladescape

I would have thought Warne was higher than that!
Overrated as an ODI bowler may be?]]> Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:57:34 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186566#186566 Best ever ODI player? : That's a near perfect list... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186542#186542 Author: zuhair_abbasi
Subject: 2252
Posted: 11 September 2008 at 5:30am

That's a near perfect list with a very few notable absentees. Fanie De villiers is one.]]> Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:30:40 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186542#186542 Best ever ODI player? : I would have thought Warne was... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186528#186528 Author: bladescape
Subject: 2252
Posted: 11 September 2008 at 12:19am

I would have thought Warne was higher than that! ]]> Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:19:23 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186528#186528 Best ever ODI player? : McGrath heads the list with... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186522#186522 Author: crapbag
Subject: 2252
Posted: 10 September 2008 at 5:26pm




McGrath heads the list with Akram at 2nd followed by Murali and Pollock.

Len Pascoe and Naved-ul-Hasan are at last two places.

Edited by crapbag - 10 September 2008 at 5:51pm]]> Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:26:02 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186522#186522 Best ever ODI player? : Ok here we go for the bowlers.... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186521#186521 Author: crapbag
Subject: 2252
Posted: 10 September 2008 at 5:23pm

Ok here we go for the bowlers. The logic is simple. In ODIs average, strike rate and economay rate all has a say. I gave equal importnce to them.

Then as for the bastmen, I've calculated relative averages, strike rates and economay rates for each bowler. The ratios between averages, SR. and ERs of a partucular bowler and rest of the bowlers in the worls that were playing during his career calculated. Then the Longetivity Index (LI) was calculated using number of balls bowled. The equation I used is 1 + ((B - 5000) / 50000. The average of ratios were multiplied by LI to get the final points.

The top 25 ODI bowlers are as following]]> Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:23:19 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186521#186521 Best ever ODI player? : There was once a time when Sangakkara... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186386#186386 Author: spin wizard
Subject: 2252
Posted: 05 September 2008 at 4:53pm

There was once a time when Sangakkara keeping looked brilliant, sadly, for the last few years, it was no where near Gilly!  Sangakkara definitely comes no where as a better ODI player than Gilchrist, even when his keeping form was good!  Sangakkara might pop ahead of Gilly in some test teams though, certainly can't argue with that.
 
As for Dhoni, he's playing very good at the moment.  Surely can be a better ODI player than Gilly but have a long way to go to be able to match Gilly in test.


Edited by spin wizard - 05 September 2008 at 4:54pm]]> Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:53:34 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186386#186386 Best ever ODI player? : Gilchrist being retired might... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186381#186381 Author: 143no
Subject: 2252
Posted: 05 September 2008 at 4:04pm

Gilchrist being retired might have somthing to do with that.]]> Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:04:23 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186381#186381 Best ever ODI player? : Originally posted by smithaAdam... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186379#186379 Author: crapbag
Subject: 2252
Posted: 05 September 2008 at 2:32pm

Originally posted by smitha

Adam Gilchrist is best ODI player. He is aggressive Batsman along with batting and also wicket keeping. He was considered as a best wicket keeper and batsman in the historty of the game. He holds many records both ODI and test matches.
Frankly speaking, Dhoni is doing as well as Gilly at the moment. Not to mention Sangakkara as well.]]> Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:32:38 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186379#186379 Best ever ODI player? : Adam Gilchrist is best ODI player.He... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186366#186366 Author: smitha
Subject: 2252
Posted: 05 September 2008 at 5:38am

Adam Gilchrist is best ODI player. He is aggressive Batsman along with batting and also wicket keeping. He was considered as a best wicket keeper and batsman in the historty of the game. He holds many records both ODI and test matches.
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]]> Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:38:15 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186366#186366 Best ever ODI player? : Originally posted by SledgerPlaying... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186356#186356 Author: crapbag
Subject: 2252
Posted: 04 September 2008 at 3:59pm

Originally posted by Sledger

Playing Devil's Advocate , statistics doesn't cover all bases , Ian Botham in his pomp would walk into any one day side.
May be, yes, and so is Afridi. But the question is how long that "pomp period" lasted. We know for Tendulkar it was 10+ years, and that's why he's right at the top.]]> Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:59:47 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186356#186356 Best ever ODI player? : wht happened to the all rounders... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186355#186355 Author: crapbag
Subject: 2252
Posted: 04 September 2008 at 3:58pm

wht happened to the all rounders mate....they are some player in da list more than a batsman...they should reward some more points...(tendulkar..jayasuriya...kallis...klusener)
This is only for batsmen mate. Thinking about a suitable nethod to rate bowlers at the moment.]]> Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:58:11 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186355#186355 Best ever ODI player? : Playing Devil's Advocate... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186354#186354 Author: Sledger
Subject: 2252
Posted: 04 September 2008 at 1:46pm

Playing Devil's Advocate , statistics doesn't cover all bases , Ian Botham in his pomp would walk into any one day side.]]> Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:46:46 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186354#186354 Best ever ODI player? : This list seems a bit more realistic... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186342#186342 Author: zuhair_abbasi
Subject: 2252
Posted: 04 September 2008 at 6:17am

This list seems a bit more realistic and reasonable and a very few would actually argue. nice work i must say]]> Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:17:59 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186342#186342 Best ever ODI player? : Originally posted by crapbagHere... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186333#186333 Author: lalinda_sang
Subject: 2252
Posted: 04 September 2008 at 12:53am

Originally posted by crapbag

Here are top 25 ODI batsmen according to my ratings

Avg - Average, SR - Strike Rate, AA - Adjusted Average, ASR - ADjusted Strike rate, LI - Longetivity Index, RI - Risk Index

The inclusion criteria - more than 500 runs.



wht happened to the all rounders  mate....they are some player in da list more than a batsman...they should reward some more points...(tendulkar..jayasuriya...kallis...klusener)
]]> Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:53:26 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186333#186333 Best ever ODI player? : Originally posted by dips_december Originally... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186331#186331 Author: crapbag
Subject: 2252
Posted: 03 September 2008 at 7:23pm

Originally posted by dips_december

Originally posted by crapbag

The surprise ones are Zaheer Abbas, Ganguly, Ranatunga and Dravid. Notable exception is Pietersen, who is at 39th position.

 

Dravid and Ganguly have 10000+ ODI runs so why should they be in your surprise list? Ganguly had a fine strike rate too and both average 40 over a period of 300+ ODI's which is not a joke.
I was trying to put foward the fact that how much we tend to forget longetivity when judging players. Jayasuriya vs Sehwag is almost identical in ODIs with SRs and Averages. But most easily forget that Jaya has played about 150 matches more than Sehwag keeping the same performances.

Dravid, Ganguly and Ranatunaga are the same. Some one may say Ranatunga up there is a joke. But to keeping an average of 36.8 (adj) at a SR of 80.8 (adj) over 250 matches is not a joke at all.]]> Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:23:10 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186331#186331 Best ever ODI player? : Originally posted by crapbagThe... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186326#186326 Author: dips_december
Subject: 2252
Posted: 03 September 2008 at 1:59pm

Originally posted by crapbag

The surprise ones are Zaheer Abbas, Ganguly, Ranatunga and Dravid. Notable exception is Pietersen, who is at 39th position.
 
Dravid and Ganguly have 10000+ ODI runs so why should they be in your surprise list? Ganguly had a fine strike rate too and both average 40 over a period of 300+ ODI's which is not a joke.
]]> Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:59:30 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186326#186326 Best ever ODI player? : Originally posted by crapbagThe... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186323#186323 Author: Sledger
Subject: 2252
Posted: 03 September 2008 at 10:26am

Originally posted by crapbag

The surprise ones are Zaheer Abbas....


 Not to me mate - he oozed class and he played in glasses !
]]> Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:26:06 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186323#186323 Best ever ODI player? : I'm sure I've seen something... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186312#186312 Author: spin wizard
Subject: 2252
Posted: 02 September 2008 at 10:12pm

I'm sure I've seen something like that recently on cricinfo with Sachin Tendulkar top of the table with batting in ODI's.]]> Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:12:50 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2252&PID=186312#186312