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Posted: 20 December 2011 at 7:19am

Awards of Gilchrist
Gilchrist was one of five Wisden Cricketers of the Year for 2002,and Australia's One-day International Player of the Year in 2003 and 2004. He was awarded the Allan Border Medal in 2003,and was the only Australian cricketer currently playing to have been named in "Richie Benaud's Greatest XI" in 2004. He was selected in the ICC World XI for the charity series against the ACC Asian XI, 2004–05, was voted as "World's Scariest Batsman" in a poll of international bowlers,and was named as wicket-keeper and opening batsman in Australia's "greatest ever ODI team." In a poll of over ten thousand people hosted in 2007 by Cricinfo, he was voted the ninth greatest all-rounder of the last one hundred years. A panel of prominent cricket writers selected him in Australia’s all-time best XI for Cricinfo. Gilchrist has not only left his mark on Australian cricket but the whole cricketing world.
]]> Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:19:42 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=219357#219357 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Sanga is wonderful as captain,... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=202928#202928 Author: punterrulz
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Posted: 17 November 2009 at 4:47am

Sanga is wonderful as captain, batsmen or keeper. Hes not keeping now? great for cricket I think. And dont those sri lankan batsmen score huge centuries? I like Haddin as a batsmen/keeper though. Not the greatest glovemen but his batting is worth watching.]]> Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:47:24 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=202928#202928 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Dead right Lalinda. Sanga is one... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195552#195552 Author: milkman
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Posted: 27 May 2009 at 4:13pm

Dead right Lalinda. Sanga is one of the best batsman in the world as a result. It was a good move.]]> Wed, 27 May 2009 16:13:21 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195552#195552 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Originally posted by milkmanOh... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195549#195549 Author: lalinda_sang
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Posted: 27 May 2009 at 3:38pm

Originally posted by milkman

Oh no, I don't think he's bad and I did not say that. I basically made the point that Jayawardene is better and that if Kumar was THAT great a keeper he would have stuck to it.


i think jayawardena picked in test team because sri lanka want tosangakkara to be specialist batsman.....since he left the job as akeeper he improve his batting...Big%20smile
]]> Wed, 27 May 2009 15:38:42 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195549#195549 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Dhoni keeps on impressing me as... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195547#195547 Author: spin wizard
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Posted: 27 May 2009 at 3:08pm

Dhoni keeps on impressing me as time goes by.  Started as a dangerous hitter but is playing more and more sensible as time goes by.  Comes in at all positions and does the job.  Some people react differently to captaincy but it really changed Dhoni for the best!]]> Wed, 27 May 2009 15:08:14 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195547#195547 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Haddin can bat quite well, he... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195545#195545 Author: milkman
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Posted: 27 May 2009 at 2:47pm

Haddin can bat quite well, he gets a lot of starts, but doesn't always get on with it. He can also bat anywhere in ODIs. I think though Dhoni is more of a matchwinner, however he hasn't got a test ton in a long while which is surprising to me. I think he only has 1 from memory. With the gloves, Haddin has disappointed me at times, but he has also done some good things. Dhoni isn't too flash, but I think at the moment he's showing better skills than Haddin.
Boucher at his best would probably be the best of the lot, but he hasn't done a lot of late with the bat and he has been disappointing.
]]> Wed, 27 May 2009 14:47:41 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195545#195545 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Yep, to stir up some debate, he's... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195543#195543 Author: spin wizard
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Posted: 27 May 2009 at 2:25pm

Yep, to stir up some debate, he's the best Wicket keeper/batsman around.  Dhoni or Haddin will take best batsman/wicket keeper.]]> Wed, 27 May 2009 14:25:46 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195543#195543 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : And he can bat too! http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195535#195535 Author: milkman
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Posted: 27 May 2009 at 1:36pm

And he can bat too!]]> Wed, 27 May 2009 13:36:25 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195535#195535 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Yeah, that lil fella is good.... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195533#195533 Author: spin wizard
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Posted: 27 May 2009 at 1:34pm

Yeah, that lil fella is good.  I rate him as the best currently!]]> Wed, 27 May 2009 13:34:56 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195533#195533 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Oh no, I don't think he's... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195531#195531 Author: milkman
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Posted: 27 May 2009 at 1:33pm

Oh no, I don't think he's bad and I did not say that. I basically made the point that Jayawardene is better and that if Kumar was THAT great a keeper he would have stuck to it.]]> Wed, 27 May 2009 13:33:43 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195531#195531 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Milkman, I don't think Sangakkara... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195529#195529 Author: spin wizard
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Posted: 27 May 2009 at 1:31pm

Milkman, I don't think Sangakkara was that bad a keeper.  I saw him take many excellent catches before the little Keeper Jayawardena came around.  True that Sangakkara's keeping looked to have gone down a bit since 2007 seeing that it's really not his role anymore.  He mad an excellent stumping of Lara in that WC, it was out of the top drawer!]]> Wed, 27 May 2009 13:31:21 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195529#195529 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Don Tallon could bat. He was a... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195507#195507 Author: milkman
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Posted: 27 May 2009 at 10:20am

Don Tallon could bat. He was a decent 1st class cricket, averaged about 30. Test cricket was very tricky in those days when batting, especially with uncovered pitches and unregulated laws pertaining to bowling actions.  Furthermore, little protective equipment meant lower order batsman were not very competent at all, it's really only a recent phenomena that no 10s can bat reasonably well - due a lot to the confidence the protective equipment gives.]]> Wed, 27 May 2009 10:20:20 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195507#195507 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Originally posted by zuhair_abbasiHaving... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195502#195502 Author: bladescape
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Posted: 27 May 2009 at 8:13am

Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

Having a highest score of 92 batting at 11 has to be some sort of a record then


He didn't always.
He just did on a few occasions.]]> Wed, 27 May 2009 08:13:48 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195502#195502 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Having a highest score of 92 batting... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195501#195501 Author: zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 27 May 2009 at 8:06am

Having a highest score of 92 batting at 11 has to be some sort of a record then]]> Wed, 27 May 2009 08:06:43 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195501#195501 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : All I could remember was he debuted... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195496#195496 Author: bladescape
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Posted: 27 May 2009 at 7:39am

All I could remember was he debuted before 1950,and I was right.]]> Wed, 27 May 2009 07:39:32 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195496#195496 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : No , Don Tallon played in the... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195456#195456 Author: milkman
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Posted: 26 May 2009 at 10:13am

No , Don Tallon played in the late 40s and early-mid 50s....]]> Tue, 26 May 2009 10:13:41 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195456#195456 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : One note: Way back before 1950... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195447#195447 Author: bladescape
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Posted: 26 May 2009 at 7:14am

One note:
Way back before 1950 I think,Australia had a keeper called Tallon who batted at 11!]]> Tue, 26 May 2009 07:14:08 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195447#195447 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : I think if Sanga was the greatest... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195445#195445 Author: milkman
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Posted: 26 May 2009 at 5:11am

I think if Sanga was the greatest WK/Batsman then he would still be keeping in test cricket. Otherwise we have to make a distinction between keeper/batsman and batsman/keeper. Wicket keeping in the past was much like goal keeping in football/soccer, in that it was a very specialised role. Now this is not as much the case and there is a greater emphasis on the keeper being an all rounder. Wally Grout was a fantastic keeper for Australia in the 50s, but he averaged something like 16 or 17 with the bat and batted right in the tail end. Then you get a bloke like Andy Flower in the 90s averaging 50 with the bat and carrying the batting line up.

All these players that have been mentioned are different sorts of players. Rod Marsh, Knott and Healy were the finest keepers I've seen, although the former two I did not see as much, only in replay footage, as they were a bit before my time. But I saw a lot of Healy, and his keeping was marvellous. Whether he was keeping to Warne or the big-spinning MacGill or to guys like Jason Gillespie who was genuinely fast in his youth. He wasn't a bad batsman either, 3 test tons and an average of 30 is nothing to be ashamed of.  But he certainly isn't the best BATSMAN/wicket-keeper.
Knott as well also had some fairly tricky, and 'quick' spin bowlers to keep up to the stumps to, and of course a lot of pacers. Like Healy and Marsh, the keepers back then did not use helmets either.

I personally would rule out Sanga for the simple fact that he has pretty much stopped keeping in test cricket , and the fact that Jayawardene has shown that his keeping is better than Sanga's.

For mine, in terms of Batting/Keepers it's Gilchrist and then Flower. My reason is that I think Gilchrist is more of a match winner and has more fluid batting, in that he commits to his strokes and has remarkable timing. I also think Gilchrist's keeping was stronger than that of Flower's and was tested more, as the quality of the Australian bowling and the variety of the Australian bowling was greater. But Flower is a very close second nonetheless, and carried his nation with great honour and heart. He made Zimbabwe competitive, along with guys like Heath Streak, Neil Johnson and Grant Flower.

In terms of Keeper/Batsman, I'd probably say Alan Knott. This is mostly due to the footage I've seen and the literature I've read. He had a great rival at the time he played in Rodney Marsh, and Rod Marsh started a nice trend for the Australian keeping scene - a bloke who can keep proficiently and play as a dasher down the order. Always a fan of Healy too, and I think Mark Boucher, at his prime, is a very compact keeper with a proven track record.



Edited by milkman - 26 May 2009 at 5:14am]]> Tue, 26 May 2009 05:11:11 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195445#195445 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Hey cricketluva you told sanga... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195444#195444 Author: lalinda_sang
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Posted: 26 May 2009 at 3:53am

Hey cricketluva you told sanga is misses a stumping chance in 2003 world cup...but take a look at this stumping in WC 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYluZOQsmrw

and i forget to tell you something in previous post...sanga never keep badly to muraly mate...Smile
]]> Tue, 26 May 2009 03:53:57 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195444#195444 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Originally posted by cricketluvaIf... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195443#195443 Author: lalinda_sang
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Posted: 26 May 2009 at 3:43am

Originally posted by cricketluva

If you guys have watched enough cricket then you will realise that both Flower and Sangakkara lacked tremendously with the gloves. When I think of Kumar's keeping I always think back to the 2003 world cup game against the Aussies where he missed about two stumpings and dropped a catch. His keeping is not test class, and I'm afraid Flower's was barely either.
In terms of effectiveness with the bat, they are all pretty equal - and statiscally there is nothing in it. But, as said above, Gilchrist had this X factor and could easily take the game away from the opposition in a session - something FLower definately didn't do and not something we always see from Kumar.
 
Moreover, you can argue that Gilly and Kumar had to keep to Warne and Murali respectively... and Adam did a fantastic job, while Sangarkkara was up and down... Andy Flower did not really have to keep to a difficult spinner.
 
Additionally, the fact that both Kumar and Andy Flower gave up the gloves at some stage in their respective careers, as did Alec Stewart - while Gilly never did (only in the early part of his ODI career did he just bat, but this was because of Healy keeping in the side).
 
The best Keeper/Batsman all rounder in history is certainly Gilchrist.
I am not saying this as an Australian, but as a cricket lover and my reasons are very clearly stated.


Gilly is one of da greatest cricketers of all time.... but i hv to tell you something...in that world cup game sanga missed couple of chances...thatz what happen in game of cricket isn't it?...any great  crickerter hv thier bad day....even gilly....gilly have the ability to power the inning and take the game away from any other team in no time....and sanga have the ability to face the inning and put his team on good position...and thats what happend in IPL 2009 recently ....and dont forget  in that tornament sanga have won 3 or 4 time man of the match for his performance....i recon that both players are match winning players....
]]> Tue, 26 May 2009 03:43:32 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195443#195443 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Yes,Gilchrist was great but best... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195437#195437 Author: Shoaib
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Posted: 25 May 2009 at 4:25pm

Yes,Gilchrist was great but best ever has to be Andy Flower.]]> Mon, 25 May 2009 16:25:36 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=195437#195437 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Wasn't that great in the... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=178650#178650 Author: bondy
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Posted: 20 March 2008 at 2:55am

Wasn't that great in the last two years of his career, but he revolutionised the role of a WK throughout his career which deserves a large amount of credit. Also, his unselfish attitude is second to none in modern day cricket.]]> Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:55:02 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=178650#178650 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Yeah, when a team gets someone... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=178638#178638 Author: spin wizard
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Posted: 20 March 2008 at 1:29am

Yeah, when a team gets someone like that, damn!]]> Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:29:48 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=178638#178638 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Yeah, outstanding batsman and... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=178637#178637 Author: TKORL
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Posted: 20 March 2008 at 1:23am

Yeah, outstanding batsman and outstanding wicketkeeper in one package.]]> Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:23:55 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=178637#178637 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Originally posted by samhacheGood... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=176838#176838 Author: Sledger
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Posted: 21 February 2008 at 5:46am

Originally posted by samhache

Good point sledge! I revoke my earlier statement, and I'll take your stance on this.


  Good lad  !!
]]> Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:46:43 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=176838#176838 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : You're right there yes.aravind... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=176804#176804 Author: bondy
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 9:37pm

You're right there yes.aravind (??), Flower must be considered under the same bracket and in my opinion he was an even better test match batsman than Gilly.

]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:37:52 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=176804#176804 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Good point sledge! I revoke my... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=176801#176801 Author: samhache
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 9:13pm

Good point sledge! I revoke my earlier statement, and I'll take your stance on this.]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:13:25 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=176801#176801 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Okay I agree that Gilly is a wonderful... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=176688#176688 Author: yes.aravind
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Posted: 19 February 2008 at 7:30pm

Okay I agree that Gilly is a wonderful
wicket-keeper-batsman.
 
But, don't forget the African Blossom - ANDY FLOWER
]]> Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:30:41 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=176688#176688 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Michael Henderson wrote a thought... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=176675#176675 Author: Sledger
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Posted: 19 February 2008 at 12:50pm

Michael Henderson wrote a thought provoking article in the Telegraphsome weeks back (I'm sure you can find it).  He said that withoutdoubt the finest keeper/batsman was Alan Knott and that Adam Gilchrist has been the finest batsman/keeper.   There's a subtle difference which won't be lost on real cricket afficiados

      Having seen both in action I'd say that MH was spot on.

Edited by Sledger - 19 February 2008 at 12:51pm]]> Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:50:36 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=176675#176675 Gilchrist - greatest wicket keeper batsman? : Originally posted by cricketluvaIf... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=176494#176494 Author: tonks007
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Posted: 18 February 2008 at 6:09am

Originally posted by cricketluva

If you guys have watched enough cricket then you will realise that both Flower and Sangakkara lacked tremendously with the gloves. When I think of Kumar's keeping I always think back to the 2003 world cup game against the Aussies where he missed about two stumpings and dropped a catch. His keeping is not test class, and I'm afraid Flower's was barely either.
In terms of effectiveness with the bat, they are all pretty equal - and statiscally there is nothing in it. But, as said above, Gilchrist had this X factor and could easily take the game away from the opposition in a session - something FLower definately didn't do and not something we always see from Kumar.
 
Moreover, you can argue that Gilly and Kumar had to keep to Warne and Murali respectively... and Adam did a fantastic job, while Sangarkkara was up and down... Andy Flower did not really have to keep to a difficult spinner.
 
Additionally, the fact that both Kumar and Andy Flower gave up the gloves at some stage in their respective careers, as did Alec Stewart - while Gilly never did (only in the early part of his ODI career did he just bat, but this was because of Healy keeping in the side).
 
The best Keeper/Batsman all rounder in history is certainly Gilchrist.
I am not saying this as an Australian, but as a cricket lover and my reasons are very clearly stated.
Here Here!!!]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:09:31 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4436&PID=176494#176494