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swing bowling : TKORL stop resurrecting dead threads...

Wed, 09 Apr 2008 06:50:05 +0000

Author: Sledger
Subject: 243
Posted: 09 April 2008 at 6:50am

TKORL stop resurrecting dead threads ! The original poster hasn't visited the site since 20th June 2006 !

swing bowling : Did you not read even a single...

Wed, 09 Apr 2008 01:24:22 +0000

Author: The Tyke
Subject: 243
Posted: 09 April 2008 at 1:24am

Did you not read even a single post in this thread TKORL???

swing bowling : If swing depends on the difference...

Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:22:28 +0000

Author: TKORL
Subject: 243
Posted: 09 April 2008 at 12:22am

If swing depends on the difference between the two sides, how do players such as Praveen Kumar swing the new ball?

swing bowling : Thanks for the reply. I hadn't...

Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:38:58 +0000

Author: Guests
Subject: 243
Posted: 03 December 2007 at 10:38am

Thanks for the reply. I hadn't though much about the angle at which I position the seam but now that you mention it I think it is very much greater than 20 degrees towards off. I would probably need to get a video of it to see the angle.

Once again, thanks for your help.

swing bowling : Originally posted by dbischaHowever...

Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:31:57 +0000

Author: inswinger
Subject: 243
Posted: 02 December 2007 at 12:31pm

Originally posted by dbischa

However I have two things I would like to ask you all.

I have seen some people bowl inswing with really late swing (and it's genuine inswing not reverse swing). But most of my inswing is pretty much continuous from the time it leaves my hand. Any ideas on how to make the ball swing later?

The other question is concerned with a variation to my normal outswinger. I normally bowl my outswinger with a side-on action (I am working on a front-on action as well). When I give my outswinger a bit more pace and a LOT more backspin, the ball swings out and away from the right-hander but when it pitches it kicks off the deck and cuts into the batsman with a lot more bounce than normal. I guess you would call it a offcutting outswinger? I have never hit the stumps with this delivery as there is too much bounce but I have got plenty of inside edges and many big hitters skying the ball up high from a top edge when they try for a big swing.

I am trying to rationalize why I can produce this delivery. Is it because the ball has a lot more spin and in the right direction to straighten the ball up and produce bounce or is it because I am able to land the ball on the seam consistently through the action I use? Or is it a result of the extra pace and everything else all combined?

I would like to know because I am trying to replicate this delivery with my inswinger. I think a legcutting inswinger would be a very devastating delivery to both left and right handers. Further, if it was combined with my normal inswinger, my two outswingers (normal and off cutting outswinger), variations of pace and bowling over/around the wickets would be a very good bag of tricks (especially if I can produce them all from the same basic action and not have to change from side-on to front-on all the time).

my my that was a long post,
regarding the lateswinging inswinger, its pace i think. at your slow medium pace its not going to swing very late because the airflow has lots of time to change and it does so at the begining,
if you are bowling much faster the airflow over the ball with only be able to change later because it is getting down the wicket so much faster

also, it is said that the higher the arm on release the later the swing, but im not sure its true.

regarding your "off cutting outswinger" it will be that the amount of rotation you put on the ball and the seam position will make this happen.

a normal swing delivery should have about 20 degrees of angle on the seam, yours is probably more, this is why is breaking in. im sure that not hard to under stand. but im not sure why you get so much bounce,
just try to pitch it up a bit mor so it wont bounce over the stumps.

also to do the same for the inswinger, try and mage the seam even more angles in (not horizontal though) and really rip your fingers down on release, it will take time to get right though,

hope that helps you

swing bowling : I agree completely with Discoduck,...

Sat, 01 Dec 2007 05:42:33 +0000

Author: Guests
Subject: 243
Posted: 01 December 2007 at 5:42am

I agree completely with Discoduck, shaazthegreat and inswinger.

I can bowl both inswing and outswing at about a medium-slow speed (my run up is about 4 paces and I tend not to put much effort into each delivery... allows me to bowl virtually all day). I naturally bowl inswing and it's a result of the position my wrist (and fingers) ends up in as I release the ball. My wrist is actually in such an angle that in order to really control where the ball goes, I need to face the seam as if I am bowling an outswinger (and my wrist then does the rest). To bowl an outswinger I need to really concentrate on my wrist and rotate my arm such that my little finger is closest to the batsmen at the time of release.

However I have two things I would like to ask you all.

I have seen some people bowl inswing with really late swing (and it's genuine inswing not reverse swing). But most of my inswing is pretty much continuous from the time it leaves my hand. Any ideas on how to make the ball swing later?

The other question is concerned with a variation to my normal outswinger. I normally bowl my outswinger with a side-on action (I am working on a front-on action as well). When I give my outswinger a bit more pace and a LOT more backspin, the ball swings out and away from the right-hander but when it pitches it kicks off the deck and cuts into the batsman with a lot more bounce than normal. I guess you would call it a offcutting outswinger? I have never hit the stumps with this delivery as there is too much bounce but I have got plenty of inside edges and many big hitters skying the ball up high from a top edge when they try for a big swing.

I am trying to rationalize why I can produce this delivery. Is it because the ball has a lot more spin and in the right direction to straighten the ball up and produce bounce or is it because I am able to land the ball on the seam consistently through the action I use? Or is it a result of the extra pace and everything else all combined?

I would like to know because I am trying to replicate this delivery with my inswinger. I think a legcutting inswinger would be a very devastating delivery to both left and right handers. Further, if it was combined with my normal inswinger, my two outswingers (normal and off cutting outswinger), variations of pace and bowling over/around the wickets would be a very good bag of tricks (especially if I can produce them all from the same basic action and not have to change from side-on to front-on all the time).

swing bowling : well since this forum has come...

Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:14:54 +0000

Author: inswinger
Subject: 243
Posted: 27 October 2007 at 11:14am

well since this forum has come to the top again id like to say any action will acomodate inswing and outswing

a side on action can help but you can very easily get lots and lots of outswing with front on and vice versa with the inswinger

it relises on wrist and seam position

you do not need two different sides of the ball to swing it. just a positioned seam to the direction you want to swing it.

some people can swing in and out with no change in seam position.

a cocked wrist is needed for outswing regardless

if you relax your wrist you will find it tails back in

the seam must not wobble at all in flight or it will wont swing or hardly at all

swing bowling : hi, swing bowling is pretty easy....

Sat, 27 Oct 2007 05:29:11 +0000

Author: shaazthegreat
Subject: 243
Posted: 27 October 2007 at 5:29am

hi,

swing bowling is pretty easy. It depends a lot on your action. Ever since I started bowling I could bowl outswingers. But for inswing, well it was always hard for me....

I'll let you understand outswing: basically, after all your run-up etc., a side on action will help you a LOT. It is possible to swing it out with a front-on action (I have done it), but it'll swing a lot less. I also find it's vital to have a good grip. The wrist has to be properly cocked. Cock your wrist upwards (that is, if you hold it in front of you, then the wrist should come nearer to your face), and a maximum to the left (right for left-handed bowlers). There shouldn't lots of stress at the wrist but it should be firm but gentle. I do this so that the fingers on the ball remain relaxed, and the seam faces the slips or gully.

Try practicing and you'll do well.

swing bowling : just bowl, bowl a bit more and...

Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:59:47 +0000

Author: quicky
Subject: 243
Posted: 02 March 2006 at 5:59pm

just bowl, bowl a bit more and then when you've bowled think about bowling some more. it just takes practice and adjustment but one you get it right it feels good. It is true that different actions aid more swing but aslong as you have the seam in the right place and a fullish legnth it will work, all medium and quick pace bowlers can get swing(but not spinners they get drift)

swing bowling : Disco man I know a lot about...

Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:38:48 +0000

Author: spin wizard
Subject: 243
Posted: 27 February 2006 at 12:38am

Disco man

I know a lot about swing.

I was a great swinger of the ball as well. I get the ball to swing both ways in the air. The things that you wrote here a quite true. Backspin helps the ball to swing. Look at the zooter.

1 - 45 overs rough side the ball swings to the rough side. after that it is the shiny side and thats reverse swing.

For inswing and outswing just bang the ball a little harder so it will like seam move to where the seam is pointing.

swing bowling : Read my first post in this thread....

Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:20:45 +0000

Author: DiscoDuck
Subject: 243
Posted: 27 February 2006 at 12:20am

Read my first post in this thread. It's explained there- I'm not goingto type it again. It's to do with the the seam position of the ball.

swing bowling : I know how to swing a ball with...

Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:05:13 +0000

Author: Osamawma
Subject: 243
Posted: 26 February 2006 at 8:05pm

I know how to swing a ball with a rough side and a smooth side but how do you swing a ball without the differance of sides???

swing bowling : I've read some posts in other...

Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:43:45 +0000

Author: DiscoDuck
Subject: 243
Posted: 23 February 2006 at 12:43pm

I've read some posts in other threads recently asking questions aboutswing bowling. I write this post in the hope that it pushes this threadback up the list and brings it to the attention of those curious aboutswing bowling.

swing bowling : On Wednesday there was a new guy...

Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:31:43 +0000

Author: snell77
Subject: 243
Posted: 18 December 2005 at 3:31pm

On Wednesday there was a new guy at cricket who was the spitting imageof Inzi. And i got him with the sweetest inswinger ive ever produced.It looked to be going down leg so Inzi left it and it swang right in,and smacked his leg pad.
Hawkeyes Verdict: OUT

swing bowling : That's a great video! I...

Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:03:19 +0000

Author: saadadvanced7
Subject: 243
Posted: 18 December 2005 at 1:03am

That's a great video!

I had trouble understanding it the first 50 times I watched but I finally understood it.

swing bowling : Have a look at this, guys. Click...

Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:35:58 +0000

Author: swerveman
Subject: 243
Posted: 17 December 2005 at 8:35pm

Have a look at this, guys. Click on the link marked "Masterclass" and turn the sound on.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/4537256.stm#

swing bowling : I could write a whole book to...

Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:40:34 +0000

Author: saadadvanced7
Subject: 243
Posted: 11 December 2005 at 3:40am

I could write a whole book to answer to bakr 2's post but I'm just going to give you the same tips as DiscoDuck. If you want I'll get the book, and type all the text for all kinds of swing and everything?

swing bowling : Don't dispair- you'll...

Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:48:36 +0000

Author: DiscoDuck
Subject: 243
Posted: 10 December 2005 at 7:48am

Don't dispair- you'll never be able to swing the ball all the time.Sometimes, the weather just wont allow any movement in the air at alland sometimes it's the ball's fault.

The best tip I can give you is to make sure you grip the ball correctly(see my previous posts and look for pics on the web) and make sure thatwhen you deliver the ball, you really rip your fingers down the seamand get a heap of backspin. Also, keep it pitched up nice and full togive the ball maximum opportunity to swing.

As a quick summary, the 3 most important things (in no particular order) to note and practise with swing bowling are:

1. Grip (ball position in the hand)
2. Backspin on delivery
3. Pitch on a good full length

...And just practise. It's hard to teach in text. Your best bet is tofind someone locally who can swing the ball well and get them to show you the tricks of the trade. Good luck.

swing bowling : my bowling is not swinging how...

Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:21:11 +0000

Author: bakr2
Subject: 243
Posted: 09 December 2005 at 7:21pm

my bowling is not swinging how do i make it swing plz repli

swing bowling : Originally posted by Rebourne_hey,...

Thu, 08 Dec 2005 00:20:08 +0000

Author: saadadvanced7
Subject: 243
Posted: 08 December 2005 at 12:20am

Originally posted by Rebourne_

hey, this is what i heard, swing is natural, its either u can or u cant swing the ball... is this tru?

Some people just have a kind of action that helps them naturally swing the ball without learning it. As others mentioned the side on action helps swing the ball...etc. Unfortunately, I don't have that type of action and I had to read a lot of books to learn to swing the ball. I am quite good at it...my ball will look to be right outside off and suddenly it will cut in somewhere around to the middle stump.

swing bowling : It is true only in that some people...

Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:24:13 +0000

Author: DiscoDuck
Subject: 243
Posted: 07 December 2005 at 11:24pm

It is true only in that some people are able to swing the ball withoutever having been taught how, or having tried to do it before. However,anyone can learn. I am a bowling consultant for several cricket clubsand in this role I have taught heaps of people how to swing. Some ofthem couldn't move the ball if their life depended on it when we firststarted, but after a few weeks, they were awesome. Anyone can learn tobowl swing- it's just a matter of practice. You just need to rehearsethe tips from my earlier post. One thing I must add though- it'simperitive that you really rip your fingers down the seam duringdelivery and impart alot of backspin on the ball. It won't swingotherwise.

On the issue of side-on Vs front-on action. It has been shown that aside-on action will assist outswing, but is not necessary. I haveworked with several front-on bowlers who can achieve ridiculous amountsof outswing. Having said that though, if I was coaching a novice, Iwould have them bowl side-on in order to use the extra bit ofassistance it can bring. There is little evidence to suggest thateither a front or side-on approach will assist the inswinger. However,anecdotally and traditionally, a more front-on style is more conducive(but again, not essential) to the inswinger.

** Note: I refer to these balls as delivered by the right-armer **

swing bowling : kinda!! it relies alot on your...

Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:06:28 +0000

Author: Nimble_Nota
Subject: 243
Posted: 15 November 2005 at 5:06pm

kinda!! it relies alot on your action, but if u can't swing it then work on seaming the ball i find it much more effective as the batsman struggle, just keep the seam upright with fingers realsing the ball straight, keep it goin and one will move and he is a gonner

swing bowling : hey, this is what i heard, swing...

Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:03:05 +0000

Author: Rebourne_
Subject: 243
Posted: 15 November 2005 at 6:03am

hey, this is what i heard, swing is natural, its either u can or u cant swing the ball... is this tru?

swing bowling : an action does have alot of effect...

Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:57:01 +0000

Author: Nimble_Nota
Subject: 243
Posted: 14 November 2005 at 8:57pm

an action does have alot of effect on the swing!! if u have a side on action it helps the swing alot!! (not reverse swing) e.g hoggard has a side on action and bowls swing, jones has a front action and bowls reverse swing

swing bowling : i'm quite good at doing an...

Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:01:33 +0000

Author: saadadvanced7
Subject: 243
Posted: 18 October 2005 at 3:01am

i'm quite good at doing an inswinger and from what i know there are 3 ways of doing it even though i only use one and i can only explain 2. first way is to do the thing that disco duck mentioned (rough side and shiny side), second thing is to hold the ball on one side of the seam and face the other side to the right handed batter and the third one i can't explain but it also has to do with holding the ball in a certain way. i didn't make these up, i actually read this stuff in a book.

swing bowling : G'day fellas, Swing actually...

Mon, 17 Oct 2005 07:19:23 +0000

Author: DiscoDuck
Subject: 243
Posted: 17 October 2005 at 7:19am

G'day fellas,

Swing actually works the opposite way to that described by wolfman. A ball that has been polished on one side will swing towards the roughside while the ball is still relatively new (less than 40 overs). It isnot until the ball is older that it begins to swing towards the shinyside, giving reverse (or Irish) swing. The new ball swings towards therough side because the air flow on that side is resisted by the unevensurface. This results in the rough side of the ball moving slower thanthe shiny side causing the ball to swing that way. There are numerouswebsites out there that explain this phenomenon further- just google'swing bowling'.

Don't forget too, that polishing a ball is not the only way toproduce swing. If it was, how could one explain the very firstball of a match being able to swing? For the first few overs of a ballslife, swing is best achieved by adopting the correct grip and using theseam position. Again search the net for some great illustrations of thegrips and seam positions. Basically, the seam must be upright and aimedslightly towards the slips (for RH batsman) for outswing andtowards leg slip for inswing- as wolfman suggested. Use these gripsalong with polishing to achieve more consistant swing. A side-on actionis most beneficial for producing outswing but is not necessarilyessential.

Always ensure when polishing a ball that you use minimal salivaand/or sweat. Using too much will make the ball soft and actuallyreduce swing. Remember- the softer the ball becomes, the easier itis for the batsman to play his shots.

An excellent way to begin learning swing is to pick up one of thoseballs that have the different coloured sides (usually red and white).They help you to observe your seam postion while the ball is in flightand they swing a mile. Move onto a real ball asap though. And ofcourse- practise, practise, practise. That is the only way to masterthe art of swing bowling.

Happy Swinging.

Edited by DiscoDuck

swing bowling : Hey there. The reason the...

Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:54:06 +0000

Author: Wolfman
Subject: 243
Posted: 09 October 2005 at 6:54am

Hey there.

The reason the ball swings is that the heavy side (the side which youwork on with spit or sweat) goes through the air slower than the sidethat is dry. The ball therefore swings in the direction of the heavy,or shiny side.

For an out swinger to a right hander, you have the shiny (heavy) sideon the left, and for an in swinger to a right hander, you have theshiny (heavy) side to the right. Does that make sense?

A good way to practice is to take a tennis ball, and put sticky tape,or masking tape on one half of the ball. This is the heavy, or shinyside. Practice with that. It will swing a lot, probably more than acricket ball, but it is a good way to mess around and understand how aball swings.

The grip of the ball should change a bit when you are trying to swingit. Still your index and middle finger on the seam, but for an outswinger, the seam should point a bit away from the batsman, not toomuch though. And for an in swinger the opposite, it should point intowards the batsman, again just a bit.

Your action does effect swing. Some people's actions just allow them toswing the ball more than others. Again, just practice, perhaps with thetennis ball idea, or a cricket ball, if you have one that has a goodshiny side. Further, remember, when trying to swing, pitch the ball up.You have to give the ball time to swing, it won't swing if you pitch itshort. And the purpose of swinging the ball is to get the batsman toedge it behind, or bowl him through the gate. Pitch it up! And one lastthought, not even proffesional cricketers swing the ball every game, sodon't be too hard on your self if it doesn't always move.

I hope that helps.

swing bowling : Does your action affect the way...

Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:36:43 +0000

Author: kennzo2005
Subject: 243
Posted: 04 October 2005 at 11:36am

Does your action affect the way the ball swings??

Edited by -JP-

swing bowling : I am not an expert, but I can...

Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:44:19 +0000

Author: Superbokkie
Subject: 243
Posted: 04 October 2005 at 10:44am

I am not an expert, but I can give you some tips. First of all, the swing relies on the two sides of the ball having different weightings. Practice bowling 80 overs to a friend (I have just been doing this myself to my brother over the last few days). Work on one side of the ball only; keep it clean, apply lots of spit, and let the other side get scratched and dirty - and keep it dry! You will find that by the 20th over, it'll be swinging all over the place. Even I, who am not a great cricketer, was swinging it around a mile! (especially if its overcast!)

As far as where to place your fingers, remember - seam up, and work on putting your two middle fingers on one side of the seam. I cannot explain in words which side causes outswing and which causes inswing, but I'm sure a cricket textbook could show you.

Any more tutelage you'd need from someone who could show you in person.

HANDY TIP: watch the cricketers on TV - thats how I learned to play!

swing bowling : how can i learn to swing the ball ...

Tue, 04 Oct 2005 09:23:16 +0000

Author: kennzo2005
Subject: 243
Posted: 04 October 2005 at 9:23am

how can i learn to swing the ball