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Pietersen Fan
First Slip
Joined: 11 August 2006 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 924 |
Topic: A new Type of SpinPosted: 12 August 2006 at 9:36pm |
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all these variations are fantastic, but is there really any point in them, surley all a great leg spinner needs in good leggy, a top spinner slider or flipper, and a googly. rather that all these fancy hippy balls and whatever
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TCA123
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Joined: 24 June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1637 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 4:03pm |
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I said in another thread...and i dont mean to have a go...But from what i can read on the forum, Fishcake seems more interested in coming up with unspetacular names for every variation in flight and bounce than focussing on the simple art of off-spin. If i named all my "variations" i would have 100s of them. "Oh look that ball kept low abit, i'll call it "the crawler" and another ball bounced abit more so i'll call that "the destructacator" for it's wicket taking traits. perhaps im being harsh Edited by TCA123 |
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fishcake14
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Joined: 11 May 2006 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 2173 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 7:16pm |
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Fair enough, it's your opinion. Don't feel harsh about it. |
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fishcake14
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Joined: 11 May 2006 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 2173 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 7:24pm |
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Eventually batsmen will be able to pick you, so if you have a''different'' ball which they have never seen before then they will struggle and probably lose their wicket. Like Murali's new backspinner. Edited by fishcake14 |
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Pietersen Fan
First Slip
Joined: 11 August 2006 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 924 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 7:37pm |
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yeh i can understand, but surley that will only be the case in test matches where the batsmen has enought time to start picking deliveries?
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TCA123
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Joined: 24 June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1637 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 8:08pm |
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Don't get me wrong, bowlers have their variations. Perhaps the only difference between say mine and yours is that you name them? Having read my own post i feel i gave the impression that it really grieves me that you have all these variations and various names for them. Thats not true, it's just the impression i get from reading a few posts on a forum which certainly cannot give me an idea of your bowling. Chances are that you are a very good bowler and can bowl these variations effectively. In which case i should shut up |
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Pietersen Fan
First Slip
Joined: 11 August 2006 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 924 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 8:14pm |
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yeh i get what your saying TCA, in nets i think everyone tries different things, either to trick the batsmen, or just to see what happens. but like you i dont name these "variations" |
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TCA123
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Joined: 24 June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1637 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 8:23pm |
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I have a few variations i use frequently in the nets now but only a few i would use in a match situation at this currently time. 1. Off Break These aren't my particular variations, just traditional Off Spin deliveries which i am trying to learn. I have tried gripping the ball in strange ways and doing all sorts of things in a search for something different but as of yet, i haven't found anything greatly exciting like Fishcake's "hippy spin" so he calls it. |
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XNDR
12th Man
Joined: 13 August 2006 Location: Guernsey Online Status: Offline Posts: 12 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:28pm |
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Fishcake, can you bowl the doosra without bending your arm, as i have tried many times and cannot bow it with a straight arm! (how do you do it?)
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TCA123
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Joined: 24 June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1637 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:31pm |
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I can't even do it with a bent arm. I'd love to be able to master it.
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XNDR
12th Man
Joined: 13 August 2006 Location: Guernsey Online Status: Offline Posts: 12 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:33pm |
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So would i but im not sure its actually possible without bending your arm, unless you have jellly wrists or something!
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TCA123
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Joined: 24 June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1637 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:34pm |
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Well Murali has the extra flexible wrist. Harbajhan bowls it but i haven't sene exactly how in slow mo.
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fishcake14
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Joined: 11 May 2006 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 2173 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:42pm |
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[QUOTE=XNDR]Fishcake, can you bowl the doosra without bending your arm? Well, yes and no! I don't bowl ''conventional'' offspin, I bowl googlies. So, technically my doosra would be a legspinner. Yes and no! Edited by fishcake14 |
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TCA123
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Joined: 24 June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1637 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:42pm |
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so u bowl leg spin basically. Except you prefer googlies to ur normal leg break Wierd |
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XNDR
12th Man
Joined: 13 August 2006 Location: Guernsey Online Status: Offline Posts: 12 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:44pm |
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thats interesting, i suppose if you bowl googlies then, you have more options in terms of variations that look similar !?
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XNDR
12th Man
Joined: 13 August 2006 Location: Guernsey Online Status: Offline Posts: 12 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:46pm |
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by the way, TCA (no rhyme intended) harbajan's doosra doesent actually spin much at all, its more of a topspinner from what ive seen.
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fishcake14
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Joined: 11 May 2006 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 2173 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:50pm |
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Spot on! Does that make hippy spin more sensible or do you still think it's crazy?! Edited by fishcake14 |
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TCA123
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Joined: 24 June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1637 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:55pm |
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Crazy.... I've seen harbajan's doosra and it more straightens than moves away drastically but still very useful. |
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XNDR
12th Man
Joined: 13 August 2006 Location: Guernsey Online Status: Offline Posts: 12 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:00pm |
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Watch this clip, i think the guy clearly bends his arm, but as long as it doesent straighten its legal
Doosra (great delivery) |
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fishcake14
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Joined: 11 May 2006 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 2173 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:04pm |
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Nope, that's about as legal as mass murder. But still pretty awesome. I think they should just leave the whole bendy-arm doosra thing alone. They should give the people who invented it some credit.
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fishcake14
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Joined: 11 May 2006 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 2173 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:05pm |
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XNDR, how many cricket teams are there in Guernsey?
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TCA123
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Joined: 24 June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1637 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:06pm |
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I think bend should be allowed for the doosra. Why not allow innovations like this? The whole bendy arm thing was to prevent fast bowlers from gaining extra speed. On in this recent decade has it been more applied to spinners. |
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XNDR
12th Man
Joined: 13 August 2006 Location: Guernsey Online Status: Offline Posts: 12 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:13pm |
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Loads! Even though there are only 65 thousand people, on the island, there are six divisions and, numerous leagues with each club having b, c , d.. teams.
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XNDR
12th Man
Joined: 13 August 2006 Location: Guernsey Online Status: Offline Posts: 12 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:15pm |
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I think there are actually 30 clubs.
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TCA123
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Joined: 24 June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1637 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:17pm |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kS3_OKSx94 Watch the end of that then for doosra bowling, incredible stuff. |
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XNDR
12th Man
Joined: 13 August 2006 Location: Guernsey Online Status: Offline Posts: 12 |
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:22pm |
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***INCREDIBLE***
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fishcake14
Opener
Joined: 11 May 2006 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 2173 |
Posted: 14 August 2006 at 11:33am |
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30! Which one do you play for?
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spin wizard
Opening Bowler
The world’s next great spinner Joined: 21 January 2006 Location: Saint Vincent Online Status: Offline Posts: 9453 |
Posted: 14 August 2006 at 4:50pm |
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Thanks god none of you are in the ICC body !! |
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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TCA123
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Joined: 24 June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1637 |
Posted: 14 August 2006 at 10:09pm |
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take it your anti doosra spin wizard?
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DRAVID FAN
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 27 November 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 3635 |
Posted: 14 August 2006 at 10:30pm |
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fishcake14, you look like the next Murli.
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