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    Posted: 04 June 2010 at 4:51pm
A Short tournament but one of those rare tournaments in which India and Pakistan get to play against each other and renew their rivalry, this itself should be enough motivation for both the teams to give their very best, having said that, it's Sri Lanka who have been winning this since last two editions!

Pakistan have announced their Squad and making a comeback is the Rawalpindi express, Shoaib Akhtar, after a gap of more than one year. Shoaib Malik has also been selected and finally young Umer Amin and exciting youngster Shahzaib Hasan have been given a chance to play for their country.

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Tue Jun 15          
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1st Match - Sri Lanka v Pakistan
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Wed Jun 16          
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2nd Match - Bangladesh v India
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Fri Jun 18          
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3rd Match - Sri Lanka v Bangladesh
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Sat Jun 19          
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4th Match - India v Pakistan
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Mon Jun 21          
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5th Match - Bangladesh v Pakistan
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Tue Jun 22          
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6th Match - Sri Lanka v India
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Thu Jun 24          
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Final - TBC v TBC
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 June 2010 at 6:23pm
India have now announced their squad and Sachin Tendulkar has been rested. That is a huge disappointment for all Indian fans who were keen to see him back after India's abysmal performance in WT20 and in Zimbabwe. Yuvraj Singh has been dropped and Sehwag makes a welcome come back into the side.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 June 2010 at 10:46am
Tendulkar is rested on request and I guess he deserves it and he can play on his terms knowing that he is not getting any younger.

India have a decent side for Asia cup but that's about it - they will find it hard to be in the finals.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 June 2010 at 11:15am
India need a boost in their pace stocks. I think Sreesanth is one of the more penetrative fast men in the country and he needs to be given a shot, no matter how insolent the man is. I also think R Jadeja is a waste in the side, he's useless, can't bowl and can't bat. Same goes with Yusuf, and good on the selectors for not picking him. If they want a serious spinner in the side then Murali Kartik should play, he's older but he's one of the best left arm spinners in the world - no doubt about it. Mishra bowls too slow I feel, Chawla can't bowl a leggie and Ojha is a bit one dimensional for mine. Albeit they are all very decent and the selectors must stick with one and continue play him and not chopping and changing.

I'd like to see Praveen Kumar take responsibility with that new ball and be as consistent as he can be, India need him to perform alongside Zaheer !!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 June 2010 at 2:35pm
I agree Sreesanth is one of the best fast bowler they have and they should keep him in the team at any cost. Jadeja is a very useful player he can bat and is a decent spinner i think India are making a mistake of playing him in T20 he is not a T20 player. Murali is unlucky he is a very good bowler in T20 and 50 overs game but he is not getting a chance even when he deserve it the most. Problem with Praveen is that he is not  quick so on flat pitches he will struggle.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 June 2010 at 7:43pm
I think India is unnecessarily giving ODI caps to so many players and a lot of them don't really deserve it. India's bowling continues to look very thin but yes, overall they have a decent line up.

Regarding Sreesanth, well I think he along with Ishant and Munaf should have been regulars in the side by now. unfortunately for India they have all gone down and then never looked like going up again!

I thought Zuhair will be very excited about his favorite Shoaib Akhtar coming back to international cricket. Surprisingly he isn't! Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 June 2010 at 1:23am
Agreed Sam! They are throwing around ODI caps as if they mean nothing. Now their ranking has dropped and national pride has gone to a low after losing to Zimbabwe pretty convincingly. None of the guys in that ODI helped India get to that high ranking and therefore had no real understanding of what it meant to play positive, confident cricket. They were lethargic and uninterested. IPL is to blame for a lot of that poor attitude, they were almost too cocky for their own good.

Jadeja is okay,  I don't think he is international quality yet. He's a bit like an Ian Blackwell or Gareth Batty, a bit one dimensional with bat and ball and I think his inclusion will have to be justified with the bat. If he does play it will be at 7 and he's not a slogger, so he must either improve his hitting or become a top 5 batsman. His bowling is easily ripped apart methinks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 June 2010 at 7:52pm
Right Milky, India have lost their 2nd Rank in ODI's to RSA and it really has been quite stupid to send such a young side to ZIM, it is showing disrespect to the game.

Jadeja is absolutely unnecessary in the team, he actually went for 6 sixes in 6 balls in WT20 against AUS, last 3 balls of one over and then first 3 balls of his next over! India is wasting time by playing Nehra and Praveen Kumar... they will be much better off by playing Ishant, Sreesanth and perhaps even Munaf.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 June 2010 at 7:07am
It is time to admit that apart from Zaheer and a bit of Sreesanth - India just dont have the fast bowlers. I don't rate Parven at all. Ishant is okay but he looks more like a test match bowler.

Yes I am excited about Shoaib AKhatar's return - very excited. But Asia Cup is not the tournament I want to see him. I want to see him play in England during the upcoming test tour. Want to see him in whites.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 June 2010 at 9:18am
Wonder if he'll be hitting the 150kph mark, I'm assuming he wants to play til next year's World Cup and quit?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 June 2010 at 2:02pm
Akhtar has to think match by match. He cant plan for the world cup. Its long time to go till then. He might be injured or put him in another controversy till then. PCB have to plan without him. Aamer, Gul, Asif would be enough.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 June 2010 at 4:44pm
Ideally Aamer, Gul, Asif and Akhtar will be the four fast bowlers Pakistan would want to select for WC 2011, I doubt if Akhtar will play in tests Zuhair, his fitness is a major concern and it's unlikely that he'll last 5 days. I think Afridi has also said that Akhtar has a role to play in the ODI's. Perhaps they want him for WC2011.

can't see him touching 150K Milky, he is not as young anymore but his experience will be very very important esp on tour of England and WC2011 should he get selected.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 7:53am
He will for sure be touching 150. I was there at the camp and he was blowing very quick. And I do think he is also in the test plans - because Pakistan will badly need AKhtar to get a positive result out of the long tour that it is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 8:47am
He's aggressive, when he bowls 145kph you can 'feel' it more than when say Peter Siddle bowls 145kph... he's an enforcer. If he plays in tests he'll certainly not be bowling long spells, I don't know if he can justify his position if he only bowls 15 overs an innings. Aamer on the other hand is really quick, left handed and can bowl for long spells. I think Pakistan will be looking for a few more Aamer's for sure
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 11:00am
a fully fit and in-form Akhtar can do the job in 15 overs which Aamer might do in 30 overs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 11:24am
That's true. I think he will bowl 4 overs spells. Aamer and Asif can both do the job for longer spells and both of them are attacking bowlers too. so that should not be much of a problem to really get long spells from Shoaib.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 11:35am
I think in turn you'd then want to play the all rounder 'Abdul Razzaq', and have a 4 pronged pace attack. The problem for mine is that Kaneria (If picked... who knows after being arrested in England for spot fixing) is the best spinner in Pakistan, but Shahid is now the captain and also bowls leg-break googly. So would you then play Asif, Akhtar, Aamer and Razzaq (as a spare pacer) and then pick just Afridi as your spinner? I mean not many teams will play two leggies either. It's a dilemma of sorts. I don't mind seeing the play just 3 pacers and then 2 spinners, but the which spinners do they play?

Anyway, in my opinion I'd play Razzaq on batting and experience alone, certainly ahead of Malik or Misba7.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 11:43am
Razzaq should play because of his Batting. Pakistan need Akhtar, Aamer and Asif to play on England wickets. Ajmal could play ahead of Kaneria to give the variation. Afridi can bowl his leggies.

Butt
Farhat
Younus
Umar
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Akmal
Aamer
Akhtar
Ajmal
Asif

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 11:49am
Ajmal is not a test bowler, he can't bowl the off break nearly as well as his doosra which doesn't make him much different to a leggie in some respects!

Butt
Fawad
Younus
Malik
Umar
Afridi
Kamran
Aamer
Asif
Akhtar
Kaneria

Kaneria and Afridi are different bowlers. Pakistan need 5 bowlers, that's their strength, in the 90s they won matches when they were barely making 200 because of their attack. This side would have 6 bowlers. Aamer can bat a bit and he's at 8 so the line up is somewhat long. I'd prefer, however, a batter batsman than Afridi in the side.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 12:16pm
Afridi is the real problem - his must inclusion has taken the balance out of the team. they cant drop Kaneria because is the premier spinner - Ajmal wont play because as Milky said, he is not effective in tests. You cant drop any of Akhatar, Asif, Aamer or Kaneria. Afridi is the skipper so he will play. Akmal is the only keeper. Butt, Umar and UYounus are certain starters.

Butt
Yasir Hameed (Please no more of Farhat)
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Umar Akmal
Malik or Umar Amin
Kamran
Afridi
Aamer
Akhtar
Asif
Kaneria

Now that is a weak batting line - because Afridi and Akmal both will be batting one position too high.

Brining Razzaq in the mix will be tough because for that to happen you will have to drop a specialst bowler - which cant be Kaneria. Bringing Razzaq for Akhtar will provide enough support to batting though and might well happen.

I just very sincerely hope Afridi gets 4 ducks in the first 2 matches and drops himself from the England series, that will give us the right balance.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 12:37pm
Yep, I'm looking at all of our sides and none of them look good. We're basically replacing a 50+ average test batsman in Yousuf with the unpredictable Afridi.
Fawad or Hameed or even Hafeez are the best openers alongside Butt, not Farhat.
I like Razzaq, I think he's a top cricketer but having him at 5, Afridi at 6 and Akmal at 7 looks weak. Alongside Malik who is a manufactured batsman, you've basically got 4 iffy middle order batsmen. That's not good enough.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 12:52pm
That is exactly the problem - even if Yousuf gets back then we can probably afford having such a side. But having Malik or anybody else coming at 5 just does not look good. i think Razzaq will play - because it is a weak batting line otherwise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 12:58pm
Yup you've just got to play your best available side and just use what you have got. Like with Australia, I'd like to see Hughes in the side who averages 60 in FC cricket instead of North, at any cost really no matter where you bat him. Pakistan are the same, they need to play their best team and stop humiliating themselves by banning players THEN reversing the decision. It's a joke. But yes, PAK is really struggling with their batting. If Butt doesn't make runs then you sense they'll be in trouble as Younus has  done nothing of note in over a year, the Akmal brothers are a bit  unpredictable and the rest are crap. Surely there are better batsmen... 7asan Raza?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 1:00pm
actually Afridi has a much better record than Malik and Razzaq. He has 5 100s and 8 50s in his 26 matches. An average of 37.40 isn't that bad. He bowled well. He won more test matches for Pakistan that Malik and razzaq. If he can play according to his record then he can only do good to that team. For me he is as good as Kaneria, if not better. If Kaneria can get 5 wickets with his 40+ overs then Afridi can do this too.
Malik was never test material. He was need when he could bowl his doosras. Now he can be replaced by a prober Batsman.
Farhat should be also dropped. I never liked him, but he didn't do his job so badly on last tour. Fawad should be given a chance.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 1:31pm
HAsan Raza is the Pakistan version of Ramps and Hick. He still gets loads of runs at domestic level but that is baout it.

I knew somebody would come up with Afridi's test record - yes it is good. most of it was under Akram's captaincy and Saeed and Inzii's advice - which worked. He has no other guy to look at now - he has not played enough FC cricket of late either and whatever little he has - he just has not performed with the bat. His batting has infact worsen - it wasn't good ever before - and that is dangerous.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 2:15pm
My Lineup would be:
 
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Younus
Amin
Umer
Kamran
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Afridi
Aamer
Akhtar
Asif


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 3:33pm
Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

HAsan Raza is the Pakistan version of Ramps and Hick. He still gets loads of runs at domestic level but that is baout it.

I knew somebody would come up with Afridi's test record - yes it is good. most of it was under Akram's captaincy and Saeed and Inzii's advice - which worked. He has no other guy to look at now - he has not played enough FC cricket of late either and whatever little he has - he just has not performed with the bat. His batting has infact worsen - it wasn't good ever before - and that is dangerous.


Afridi is still better than Malik. We can judge Afridi after the tour of England. Its only last year where he played 2 very matured innings in World T20. I think he can easily take the place of Malik who never won a test match for Pakistan.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 7:23pm
Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

Tendulkar is rested on request and I guess he deserves it and he can play on his terms knowing that he is not getting any younger.

India have a decent side for Asia cup but that's about it - they will find it hard to be in the finals.
But which is the team that can trouble India ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 7:55pm
Guys I think it'll be better to see how some of the younger players like Umer Amin and Asad Shafiq perform in the Asia cup and then decide on the final squad for ENG. Shahzaib is also a terrific player and I think he'll have a big impact in the Asia Cup should he be chosen to open with Salman, but he is kind of a dasher so might be overlooked for tests.

Kaneria is a must anyways and since Farhat has not done anything wrong they cannot drop him (although I'm not a fan of Farhat but I thought he did very well on tough tours of NZL and AUS)

As of now my line up for Asia Cup will be: Salman, Shahzaib, Amin, Umer, Malik, Razzaq, Kamran, Afridi, Aamer, Ajmal / Gul, Asif.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2010 at 8:01pm
Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84

Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

Tendulkar is rested on request and I guess he deserves it and he can play on his terms knowing that he is not getting any younger.

India have a decent side for Asia cup but that's about it - they will find it hard to be in the finals.
But which is the team that can trouble India ? %20%20%20


Any of the other three teams can trouble India Raj. I agree on past form (last 18 - 24 months) India are clear favorites but as of now they are not high on confidence.
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