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Topic: Asia Cup 2010 in Sri Lanka Posted: 12 June 2010 at 9:35am |
Originally posted by sam_ahmed
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Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi
Tendulkar is rested on request and I guess he deserves it and he can play on his terms knowing that he is not getting any younger.
India have a decent side for Asia cup but that's about it - they will find it hard to be in the finals. | But which is the team that can trouble India ?  |
Any of the other three teams can trouble India Raj. I agree on past form (last 18 - 24 months) India are clear favorites but as of now they are not high on confidence.
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The team that was sent to ZIM has only 1 proper regular(Raina) and 2 (Yousuf,Jadeja) other whose position was on trial in Indian Sqad.We are not sending that team for Asia cup.
Going by line up , I don't see any full strength team of Pak ,SL or Ban anywhere near to fulll strength team of India.That said , yes in cricket stranger things have happened and it is always true that sometimes are favourites are kicked out.
If I have to pick a team on strength it has to India,SL,Pak and Ban in the order specified.
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Posted: 12 June 2010 at 9:50am |
Virender Sehwag Gautam Gambhir Suresh Raina Rohit Sharma MS Dhoni (capt & wk) Saurabh Tiwary/Virat Kohli R Ashwin Praveen Kumar Harbhajan Singh Zaheer Khan Ashish Nehra
I would like to see Dinda,Tiwary and Ashwin to get as many matches as possible,with world cup round the corner it is better to have as many tried and tested players as possible in case of unfortunate injuries.
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Posted: 12 June 2010 at 3:29pm |
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well we'll have to see buy I'm not entirely convinced about team India at the moment. even to this date, I believe, Sachin is a major factor in most of India's victories.
even if you look at that line up above Raj, the tail sort of starts at No.7 with Ashwin and bowling is always a big question mark. Zaheer and Harbhajan need to be at their best and even then they might be in trouble if others are taken apart.
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Posted: 12 June 2010 at 4:50pm |
Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84
Originally posted by sam_ahmed
Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84
Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi
Tendulkar is rested on request and I guess he deserves it and he can play on his terms knowing that he is not getting any younger.
India have a decent side for Asia cup but that's about it - they will find it hard to be in the finals. | But which is the team that can trouble India ?  |
Any of the other three teams can trouble India Raj. I agree on past form (last 18 - 24 months) India are clear favorites but as of now they are not high on confidence.
| The team that was sent to ZIM has only 1 proper regular(Raina) and 2 (Yousuf,Jadeja) other whose position was on trial in Indian Sqad.We are not sending that team for Asia cup.
Going by line up , I don't see any full strength team of Pak ,SL or Ban anywhere near to fulll strength team of India.That said , yes in cricket stranger things have happened and it is always true that sometimes are favourites are kicked out.
If I have to pick a team on strength it has to India,SL,Pak and Ban in the order specified. |
You say the same thing every time mate that India are favourites and no team can come close still they lose badly.
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Posted: 13 June 2010 at 4:12am |
This one is for poor Raj, who thinks Andrew Symonds always benefits from the umpires  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i1jcRsZjHk&NR=1
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Posted: 13 June 2010 at 4:47pm |
Originally posted by milkman
This one is for poor Raj, who thinks Andrew Symonds always benefits from the umpires 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i1jcRsZjHk&NR=1
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Your memory is poor, nowhere in any of my post I said that Andrew symonds in particular is always benefitted from the umpires.He is an excellent allrounder.
I said Aussies as a whole get lot of crucial decesions in their favour compared to other teams.That does not mean they win by that. They were undisputed best team from late 90's till 2007.
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Posted: 14 June 2010 at 2:00am |
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I still disagree, I'd like some evidential proof that Australia has received more benefit from umpiring decisions than any other side.
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Posted: 14 June 2010 at 3:11pm |
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Milkman, from me watching Cricket, i'd agree with Raj, except for the 2005 Ashes.
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Posted: 14 June 2010 at 3:21pm |
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You can add 2001 series v India, in India and 1998 series v India, in India. Australians play under neutral umpires like everyone else mate, and it's guys like Broad and Sangakkara who have been getting booked for over appealing and intimidation. So they are the guys who put pressure on umpires most. Warne used to appeal hard, but you should take a look at all the replays and see how many he got turned down that could have easily gone his way. I think your assertions are both unfair and unwarranted. The weight of evidence does not suggest that Australia has it easier than any other team. Australia are the team that earn their 20 wickets and earn their runs as much, if not more than any other team. Australia would still have won every series they won, regardless of umpiring in my opinion and you would all agree that the majority of the time Australia won they were the better side or played the better cricket.
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Posted: 14 June 2010 at 6:58pm |
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To be very honest I never really felt that AUS have benefited the most from umpiring decisions, but I believe whenever they get benefited it is highlighted a lot, that's mainly because 1) most other teams even after getting benefited by some umpiring decisions end up on the losing side, but AUS make them count 2) since AUS win so often, people/media (most of the time) think of ways to belittle their performances.
Having said that, I very strongly believe what happened at the sydney test was terrible and India was hard done by, but that was just one off incident.
Now even in the Sydney test, it was a well known fact that captains will take fielders word on close catches. Going by that rule umpire Benson asked Ponting weather Clarke has taken a clean catch, to which Pointing said "yes" by raising his finger... there is absolutely nothing wrong in that, but here in India the media highlighted it as "Ponting is the umpire and is giving players out" which is not just ridiculous but shameless stuff by the Indian media... I cited this incident only to show how much the media highlights things against AUS which I think is not correct.
Edited by sam_ahmed - 14 June 2010 at 7:00pm
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Posted: 14 June 2010 at 7:05pm |
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Anyways coming back to Asia Cup, it starts off tomorrow and it really is a big opportunity for all three Asian giants to show their supremacy over the other... for India it is more about getting back on track, for Pakistan, it is about starting afresh, playing as a unit and saying to themselves that there is no looking back.
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Posted: 14 June 2010 at 10:25pm |
Originally posted by sam_ahmed
To be very honest I never really felt that AUS have benefited the most from umpiring decisions, but I believe whenever they get benefited it is highlighted a lot, that's mainly because 1) most other teams even after getting benefited by some umpiring decisions end up on the losing side, but AUS make them count 2) since AUS win so often, people/media (most of the time) think of ways to belittle their performances.
Having said that, I very strongly believe what happened at the sydney test was terrible and India was hard done by, but that was just one off incident.
Now even in the Sydney test, it was a well known fact that captains will take fielders word on close catches. Going by that rule umpire Benson asked Ponting weather Clarke has taken a clean catch, to which Pointing said "yes" by raising his finger... there is absolutely nothing wrong in that, but here in India the media highlighted it as "Ponting is the umpire and is giving players out" which is not just ridiculous but shameless stuff by the Indian media... I cited this incident only to show how much the media highlights things against AUS which I think is not correct.
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We need more people like you who are always honest. I agree with everything you said. Raj is also in that lineup.
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Posted: 15 June 2010 at 1:41am |
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I agree with Sam, thanks for your objective views.
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Posted: 15 June 2010 at 4:11am |
First principle , when you can see the matches itself why in first place listen or follow the media.You see the facts for yourself,you know what truth is, why anyone should need a media to explain it ? Media will make fools of those who listen to them.They just want to increase their viewership.Not all media is good or not all media is bad, we should know which ones to follow.That is where human intelligence lies.
Originally posted by sam_ahmed
here in India the media highlighted it as "Ponting is the umpire and is giving players out" which is not just ridiculous but shameless stuff by the Indian media... I cited this incident only to show how much the media highlights things against AUS which I think is not correct. |
Around the world you will rarely get a true unbiased journalism.Sam, media has a big hand in controlling the financial and political things in our world.More than half of the media channels are on political payrolls.
That said, there are very few like BBC etc, which adhere to true journalism.Follow those.
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Posted: 15 June 2010 at 4:18am |
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I think Sam has hit the nail on the head. When you lose, every little umpiring decision counts, when you win, you forget about the umpiring. People always want excuses and reasons why the lose. I've seen Sachin nick the ball, not walk and make a ton. In some respects, the batsman has 1 chance, and the bowler has potentially hundreds of balls to get a batsman out. You know that's cricket, all sports are the same. Watch the World Cup and you'll see so many errors made by the referees. Aussies are complaining that it cost them against Germany, but fact of the matter is that they'd have lost either way.
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Posted: 15 June 2010 at 4:26am |
Originally posted by milkman
People always want excuses and reasons why the lose. |
Maybe that is the reason why everytime when a team looses to England, some media some country start to give lame excuse of foriegn legion  .
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Posted: 15 June 2010 at 4:34am |
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Exactly... the media always want excuses. Indians will call Ponting a cheat because they lose, Aussies and Saffers will have a dig at England's selection policy... etc.
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Posted: 15 June 2010 at 4:43am |
Back to topics...My wishlist of results for Asia cup
1st Match - Sri Lanka v Pakistan SL win 2nd Match - Bangladesh v India India win 3rd Match - Sri Lanka v Bangladesh SL win 4th Match - India v Pakistan India win 5th Match - Bangladesh v Pakistan Bangladesh win 6th Match - Sri Lanka v India India win Final - India Vs SL India win the finals
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Posted: 15 June 2010 at 6:22am |
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Great one Raj - but hard luck if you have put a bet on these results
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Posted: 15 June 2010 at 9:09am |
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Raj is a dreamer...
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Posted: 15 June 2010 at 9:58am |
Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84
Back to topics...My wishlist of results for Asia cup
1st Match - Sri Lanka v Pakistan SL win 2nd Match - Bangladesh v India India win 3rd Match - Sri Lanka v Bangladesh SL win 4th Match - India v Pakistan India win 5th Match - Bangladesh v Pakistan Bangladesh win 6th Match - Sri Lanka v India India win Final - India Vs SL India win the finals
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My prediction:
1st Match - Sri Lanka v Pakistan SL win 2nd Match - Bangladesh v India BD win 3rd Match - Sri Lanka v Bangladesh SL win 4th Match - India v Pakistan Pak win 5th Match - Bangladesh v Pakistan Pak win 6th Match - Sri Lanka v India SL win Final - Pak Vs SL Pak win the finals
Edited by mystery - 15 June 2010 at 9:59am
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Posted: 15 June 2010 at 10:22am |
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I think Sri Lanka might have the tournament in the bag... they look pretty compact and confident. Pak showed no ODI form at all in Australia, but that was 6 months ago now so who knows... it's Pakistan afterall - no one knows!
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Posted: 15 June 2010 at 1:32pm |
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Milkman, no one is disputing that Aussies are champs with or without umpiring decision but I'm just saying, from what I watched, I thought Aussie benefited more from umpiring decisions than their oponents. Aussies with McGrath and Warne were too powerful, even shabby decision still wouldn't hamper them!!
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Posted: 15 June 2010 at 4:55pm |
Originally posted by spin wizard
Milkman, no one is disputing that Aussies are champs with or without umpiring decision but I'm just saying, from what I watched, I thought Aussie benefited more from umpiring decisions than their oponents. Aussies with McGrath and Warne were too powerful, even shabby decision still wouldn't hamper them!! |
Sam said the same thing.
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Posted: 15 June 2010 at 4:58pm |
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Shahid is now playing one of his one in every 75 innings knocks, and this is sure as hell a fantastic innings. Captain's knock by Shahid, but will it be enough? After a marvellous comeback by Shoaib, who took wickets and bowled consistently over 145kph, it is the batting as usual which struggles. The top order is fragile, but the lower order looks decent. I'm loving the team selection, it's very clever, especially having a batsman in Razzaq at 8. Shahid and Malik are more than sufficient spin options indeed, and if you need another spinner you could easily throw in Ajmal for either Aamer or Asif. I certainly wouldn't drop Razzaq, as I wouldn't trust a top 7 which included Afridi. However Afridi is playing an amazing knock at the moment. Score is 174/6 at the moment, still a fair way to go.
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Posted: 15 June 2010 at 7:21pm |
hey I have clearly written as "My wishlist of results".There is a huge difference between wish and prediction.
Anyway my first wish came true , wow!.
EDIT: This is the 10th edn. of Asia cup with India and SL winning 4 times each.Hope India take a lead now.
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Posted: 15 June 2010 at 8:07pm |
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well I think it's more a case of a team not knowing how to win. PAK have made it a habit now to lose close games. Afridi played superbly, full marks to him, poor stuff from the Akmal brothers getting run out, that was so very unnecessary.
I still think that this is the right lineup, Shahzaib and Amin need to get a long run, they are fine fine players and it was great to see Shoaib Akhtar back and firing!
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Posted: 16 June 2010 at 6:12am |
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Good match. Happy about how things went - not entirely convinced of Afridi's captaincy though. Just want one change - have to drop Asif and bring in Ajmal. Shahzeb is a hit miss player - pretty much like Imran Nazir - he wont go a long way - Umar Amin on the other hand is pretty decent. Something tells me, it's Shoiab Malik's chance to score another Asia cup century - and no marks for guessing against whom?
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Posted: 16 June 2010 at 6:26am |
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Shoaib needs to up his fitness and get a few matches under his belt. He still seems dangerous and is quick enough! He has natural speed. I think he should half his run up and just do a lot of cardio/fitness work. He definitely has it in him to bowl through his spells without all that fatigue.
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Posted: 16 June 2010 at 8:44am |
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Yes - he did not seem fit. But probably he will need to play a few more games. there ain't an iota of doubt hat he is still as effective as he ever was.
Having said that, watching him yesterday told me that his test career might well be over. I am not a fan of Asif playing ODIs
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