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jhj87 
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 Topic: attacking off spin?Posted: 01 January 2007 at 9:17pm |
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outside the subcontinent can a conventional off spinner still be attacking? before you say monty panesar i mean right arm off spin, so no rough patches to aim at. do you think off spinners will ever truly be an attacking option for the captain or used simply to choke runs while the quicks have a rest? Edited by jhj87 - 01 January 2007 at 9:17pm |
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70_degree_spin
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 9:24pm |
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I think to be honest, no. Even really accurate offies like Gareth
Batty, Robert Croft, Dan Cullen and Jamie Dalrymple just aren't
dangerous at all, not even on spinning wickets. Harbhajan has never
taken many wickets away from home and he's the best in the world.
Nowadays you have to be a leggie to cause problems.
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jhj87
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 9:30pm |
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i dont think harbhajan is the best off spinner now. powar the other indian spinner is very good. he doesnt have a doosra and i think this helps him as he relies on flight and subtle changes in pace. he bowls very slowly at around 45mph most of the time while harbhajan isn't as subtle and a bit quicker 55mph relying on the spin more.
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70_degree_spin
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 9:31pm |
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Mate, if you think powar is the best off spinner then you are incredibly wrong its just not funny
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jhj87
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 9:35pm |
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well how is harbhajan better than powar? |
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70_degree_spin
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 9:38pm |
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Powar hasn't even played a test match and Harbhajan has played 57 and
done reasonably well. Powar has just played against other average
indian domestic teams.
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jhj87
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 9:42pm |
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yes but he has much more potential than harbhajan. first of all he is more accurate. he bowls it slower and gives it more flight, getting more dip and bounce because he spins it more than harbhajan. harbhajan has a doosra but hardly anyone ever gets out to his because most batsman pick it straight out of his hand. powar is a proper off spinner and i think that after kumble retires he will take the extra spinners spot.
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70_degree_spin
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 9:45pm |
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I think youre crazy, he hasnt done that well in ODI so they arent just
going to dump Singh because of some average spinner. Singh has
fantastic statistics and always looks dangerous when he bowls. Just
because Powar gives the ball air means nothing I'm afraid. Singh does
that sometimes, I think Powar does it because he isn't accurate enough
to bowl darts. Singh is a more diverse cricketer and I would like to
see Powar get 32 wickets in a 3 match series.
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fishcake14
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 9:50pm |
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If he had more potential then Harby wouldn't be playing!!
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70_degree_spin
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 9:54pm |
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exactly my point
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jhj87
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 9:55pm |
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im pretty sure he will take harbhajans spot in the future. the indian cricket board do not think much of him because of his ever expanding waistline.
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fishcake14
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 9:55pm |
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What's Powar like with the bat? In comparison to Harb?
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jhj87
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Posted: 01 January 2007 at 10:01pm |
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hes a better batsman than harbhajan. he averages 21 in odi's and 32 in 1st class cricket. he also has a better bowling average and strike rate than harbhajan. Edited by jhj87 - 01 January 2007 at 10:01pm |
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slogger72N/O
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Posted: 02 January 2007 at 9:32am |
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I've never really rated powar to be honest, he just never gets the batsmen into that much trouble, he's too easy to work out
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fishcake14
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Posted: 02 January 2007 at 5:38pm |
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Is Powar not about 30 stone heavier than Harby?
 The only person that get in a test side overweight is Warney. Edited by fishcake14 - 02 January 2007 at 5:39pm |
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Freddie
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Posted: 02 January 2007 at 5:52pm |
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What about Murali anyone?
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On extended leave...
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fishcake14
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Posted: 02 January 2007 at 5:53pm |
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True, nobody comes down the wicket to Murali.
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Posted: 02 January 2007 at 6:10pm |
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Harbhajan is much better than powar. Look at harbhajan's test stats and odi as well compare to powar. Harbhajan can rip it too! Don't be mistaken at all!
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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70_degree_spin
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Posted: 02 January 2007 at 6:27pm |
he doesnt count, we are talking about orthodox off spinners. |
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70_degree_spin
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Posted: 02 January 2007 at 6:30pm |
That is because he is playing diabolical bowling attacks, its the equivalent of averaging about 22 in English county cricket. He's just your bog standard bowler who I doubt will play more than a dozen tests for India. Harbhajan however is a fantastic talent and has statictics that are better than the legendary Lamce Gibbs! But I see your point in replacing the worlds greatest orthodox off spinner with a small fat dolly bowler.....NOT!!!  |
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TCA123
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Posted: 02 January 2007 at 9:27pm |
Perhaps the many wicket difference
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youngmurali
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Posted: 03 January 2007 at 3:11pm |
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Murali of course is in an offspinning league of his own.
Next i would look at harbhajan then powar. harbhajan really isn't that effective some other offspinners on their day could outclass harbhajan but the doosra gives him alot of brownie points. If he didn't have the doosra, would he be as highly rated?
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spin wizard
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Posted: 03 January 2007 at 4:10pm |
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Which other off spinner today can out bowl harbhajan more than murali???
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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fishcake14
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Posted: 03 January 2007 at 4:18pm |
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Sehwag.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 03 January 2007 at 4:25pm |
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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70_degree_spin
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Posted: 03 January 2007 at 8:11pm |
Harbhajan was most successful without the doosra so it shows how much you know. We are talking about orthodox off spinners so Murali doesnt count. No offspinner can outclass Harbhajan today, you are talking rubbish. |
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70_degree_spin
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Posted: 03 January 2007 at 8:12pm |
Actually he is a good off spinner . I would hesitate in naming Gayle as one of the worlds best off spinners. Recently he has been getting hundreds of wickets. |
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fishcake14
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Posted: 03 January 2007 at 8:14pm |
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He's not that bad. He does turn the ball (Sehwag). Vettori's a bit tasty, if he counts.
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youngmurali
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 10:33am |
if harbhajan was that good, wouldnt he get in the india side ahead of Kumble? Obviously he isn't THAT great, im not saying hes bad, but hes not going to bowl teams out like murali
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fishcake14
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 4:11pm |
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Fair enough, but he should be playing in this match. He said to someone: 'Mate, I missed out on 10 wickets today!' |
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