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Mikey
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Topic: Australia in South AfricaPosted: 28 September 2011 at 11:41am |
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Australia will be touring South Africa, the nation which is ranked no.2 in Test cricket.
The T20 squad for Australia has been announced with Johnson dropped - no surprises there. Haddin has retired from the format and the incumbent Tim Paine is out injured, nonetheless Wade is the better option. Paine is a test specialist in my opinion and I'd like to see him in the test side as soon as possible, even ahead of Haddin. Mitchell Marsh, brother of Shaun, is in the squad ahead of Hastings who is also injured. He's a 19 year old all rounder who Mickey Arthur compares to Jacques Kallis. He's a genuine all rounder and from the looks of things his game is a lot better than Moises Henriques, whose career never really took off. The other bolter is Patrick Cummins, the 18 year old NSW fast bowler who scored a CA contract out of no where. I've seen the kid bowl and he already hits 150kph, believe it or not. He has been doing a lot of weight and strength training and presumably he's still growing so on that basis it wouldn't surprise me if he continued to his 150kph on a regular basis. His action looks a little bit like Anderson's, but there's a little bit of Mohammed Zahid about the way he bowls. The way the ball rises and the sheer pace is very Zahid-esque. That is, if anybody has seen Zahid bowl before. I haven't seen anyone this genuinely quick emerge from Australia at SUCH a young age since Lee or maybe Tait, although Cummins' action is more orthodox and not round arm/slingy. |
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Posted: 28 September 2011 at 1:58pm |
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Saw Cummins bowl this morning, he's definitely got pace!
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Posted: 29 September 2011 at 6:39am |
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The locals are a bit concerned that the home side will be rusty - they haven't played any serious cricket for ages. On top of that , the Aussies have played two series and done well in both. Test cricket in October/November will be quite novel for us here - I'll be at Newlands , that's a certainty!
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Posted: 29 September 2011 at 6:24pm |
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AB Devilliers, the new captain of RSA has been injured in the CLT20, he has got a fractured finger and I hope he recoevres in time for the first test against AUS, otherwise it could be a big set back for RSA and could even hand Amla a captaincy chance.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 29 September 2011 at 6:29pm |
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in fact I just read that ABD is ruled out for 6 weeks, what a shame! Such an important series and the newly appointed captain gets injured because of this CLT20 circus! Pathetic!
Amla all set to lead the side then? I think he has a good reputation as a captain at domestic level, I'm not sure though.
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Mikey
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Posted: 29 September 2011 at 6:39pm |
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I have a feeling Amla won't be chosen as captain. I think Botha will come in and captain the side to be honest, if not he than Smith might have to captain the series.
I've always wondered why Kallis has never been thought of as captain... |
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Posted: 30 September 2011 at 6:17pm |
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That will be interesting Mikey, logically Hashim being the vice captain should get the nod, but then yeah, Smith or Botha could come into the picture. I personally think that CSA will go with Hashim because they run their cricket professionally and there must have been good thought before appointing Hashim as the VC of the team initially, obviously that means he is your "next"man so they shouldn't hesitate to take this decision. Hashim and AB are about the same age so they obviously aren't grooming Amla for anything, it's should be either AB or Hash.
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Mikey
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Posted: 01 October 2011 at 1:20pm |
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Yeh I agree... I don't really think they're grooming him for anything either, but are respecting the fact that he is a senior, stable member of the side. I agree with the notion of choosing captain and vice captain out of players who can justify their positions in the side - makes it much less awkward when the captain is not performing and dropping him seems to not be an option.
In saying that, South Africa's track record suggests that they like to go with 'specialist' captains. This is evidenced from that fact that when Smith was injured in the 2005/06 series in Australia, the vice-captain, Boucher, was not the stand in captain for the rest of the match, but Neil McKenzie was actually the acting captain. Apparently this was part of CSA policy. This was further evidenced by the use of Botha in the following ODI series, even though he was only playing in his second series for SA - against indicating this specialist captain notion used by the CSA. If CSA are to follow precedent, then I'd think that Botha would captain the side in AB's absense. |
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Posted: 03 October 2011 at 6:59am |
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I would not have Botha even in the playing eleven - let alone leading the side.
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Posted: 03 October 2011 at 2:20pm |
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Yeh I've never rated Botha as a cricketer - although he's okay in T20 cricket. The SAF like him and he's even played a few tests , which is probably more than he should have!
I'm just stating what the Saffers have done in the past. |
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Posted: 03 October 2011 at 7:24pm |
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Amla has been appointed as the ODI and T20 captain, Smith will of course continue to be the test captain, I'd say good move by RSA... and yes Botha may not make it to the starting eleven, Tahir will be the main spinner, Petersen may or may not play, depending upon whom they choose among Parnell, Tsotsobe and Petersen.
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Posted: 04 October 2011 at 3:42am |
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Parnell showed a lot of promise at the start of his career, it will be interesting to see where he heads for here on in. If I was him, I'd definitely focus on the bowling side of things - if he can get an inswinger going he'll be very useful.
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Posted: 04 October 2011 at 7:40am |
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Parnell has gone down hill. Maybe too much wrong type of cricket too early in his career. eh should have played more FC than T20s. I still think he has time on his side but he needs to bowl more and more - he seems to me a bowler who will get better once he bowls more and get the rhythm.
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Posted: 04 October 2011 at 7:41am |
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Amla really didn't want the job and had to be approached by Andrew Hudson - he simply isn't a natural leader. I'll be watching him closely , I can't think of a single instance of Amla consulting with his captain in any form of international cricket.
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Mikey
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Posted: 04 October 2011 at 8:15am |
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Yeh Zuhair, signs are not that great for Parnell, but the potential is there. Problem is, if international cricket doesn't work out they have professional T20 to fall back upon and that creates a huge problem for these young kids. They just aren't dreaming about playing for their countries anymore.
---- On what Sledger is saying, I absolutely agree. Amla is a naturally shy, reserved person. There's nothing wrong with that, sometimes those sorts of personalities are good for the team. Nonetheless, he doesn't look like leader material and probably lacks the attitude for it. De Villiers is an aggressive cricketer and I think he has more natural ability, whereas Amla comes across more as a sidekick rather than the superhero. I think Kallis or Boucher should have been given the captaincy, maybe even someone like Dale Steyn who comes across as astute and aggressive in his approach - rather than timid and perhaps moderately defensive. If Australia beat SA then I don't think Amla will do much more captaining in the future - but we'll just have to wait and see how he performs before we judge. Edited by Mikey - 04 October 2011 at 8:16am |
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Posted: 04 October 2011 at 8:20am |
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Being shy may not mean defensive. Inzi was never tipped as captaincy material but he turned out to be one of the most successful captains Pakistan ever had. I will be interested in watching AMla's progress.
Steyn would not have been a good choice and I highly doubt he would have taken up that job. He is aggressive for sure but too much on his mind is sure to dent his free flowing bowling.
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Posted: 04 October 2011 at 8:22am |
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Being a captain is not just about tactics. I'm certain Amla has a very good 'cricket brain'. But he needs to be a leader to his players - I just can't see him having any 'control' over someone like Steyn or Smith for instance.
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Posted: 04 October 2011 at 9:08am |
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Whether Amla makes it as a captain we'll find out soon enough , but there's nothing wrong with his batting ! In the 1st round of Supersport matches here , he made a double ton !
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 04 October 2011 at 6:24pm |
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I too will be very much interested in watching Amla as a captain. Yes he comes across as a shy kind of a person but as pointed out by Mikey and Zuhair that doesn't mean he shouldn't become a good captain or a leader. You don't really have to be a natural leader to get things going.
Just to tell you actually, I myself am a very shy kind of a person, not a kind of guy who would be able to lead at all but I am very very good in my presentation skills and was appointed as the lead of my team (for soft skills) during my MBA because of my skills and since I was very lovable by all because of my nature (thanks to almighty) I got great support, ultimately I was able to do a wonderful job, alhamdulillah. The reason why I said this, is because Hashim too is loved by all, he is very famous even among the fans and among the players and that should work as a big advantage for him, and sledge has pointed out, he can lead from the front by scoring heavily.
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Posted: 13 October 2011 at 9:02pm |
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So a good start to the tour for Australia with 5 wicket win and Cummins did well again and Pattinson was good too so good signs for Australian cricket and Amla's captaincy was impressive.
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Mikey
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Posted: 14 October 2011 at 4:32am |
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Cummins is a gem. I haven't seen anyone bowl that fast at his age, I'm dead certain Lee wasn't bowling that fast at 18. Makes me think that he could be hitting over 160kph regularly when he fully matures and grows physically.
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Posted: 14 October 2011 at 6:58am |
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Good win for Australia , but the highlight of the evening just had to be Graeme Smith's dismissal - absolutely shocking !!
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Posted: 14 October 2011 at 7:52am |
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Was not shocking - it would have surprised me had he stayed longer. He had to be rusty and his feet got stuck to the crease - it will be long beofre he hits form
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Posted: 14 October 2011 at 8:55am |
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Smith just can't play left arm quicks - be it Zaheer, Mitch or Doug
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Posted: 14 October 2011 at 3:53pm |
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I'm disappointed that RSA lost but I'm happy for AUS. Cummins was impressive and looks a really good prospect, perhaps the best I've seen from Australia since Brett Lee. I think RSA should play Tahir in the XI ahead of Petersen, Tahir will be difficult to get away. I'd also prefer Parnell or Albie Morkel ahead of Theron and surely surely surely Boucher ahead of any other wicketkeeper (even ABD) across all formats.
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Posted: 16 October 2011 at 4:35pm |
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Great come back by the Aussies followed by a great come back by the South African. Marvellous late batting by both sides.
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Definitely showed his promise with the BAT today. But his bowling is just awful at the moment... |
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Posted: 16 October 2011 at 5:12pm |
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super stuff from Parnell and Theron, that O Keefe over proved to be way too costly, but great to see South Africa win. Mitchell Marsh showed tremendous potential and he can surely be a very good all rounder in the future, it is not just this innings but some of his knocks and bowling in the IPL was also impressive.
T20 level at 1-1 as we head into the ODI's, again should be a good contest.
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Posted: 17 October 2011 at 4:41am |
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Fair result 1-1, both the teams are missing their stars when it comes to T20 and they both played well. White's captaincy was poor, really shouldn't have left it to O'Keefe, Cummins and then David Hussey in the last 3 overs - makes no sense. They picked Marsh as an all rounder, so he should have bowled in the middle to allow the better bowlers to do the job at the end.
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Posted: 17 October 2011 at 6:24am |
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I'm not convinced that these matches were played with intensity. The death bowling and the choice of who would send them down left me scratching my head. I wouldn't go so far to say that something was dodgy , but something was fishy. It could be my scepticism surrounding T20 cricket though , so maybe I imagined it , but I hope to see some serious stuff in the 50 over matches.
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