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BackwardPoint
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Topic: Australia in the West IndiesPosted: 16 March 2012 at 12:20pm |
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Australia tour WI for 5 ODIs, 2 T20Is and 3 Tests.
With still no Chris Gayle in the set-up and Rampaul out, it's very hard to see anything but complete dominance from the Aussies. WI have a few young talents, e.g. Darren Bravo on the batting front and Narine on the bowling front, but it will be very admirable and surprising if the whole team can rally and pose AUS some serious problems. 4-1 AUS in the ODIs, 1-1 T20Is and 3-0 Tests. |
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Posted: 17 March 2012 at 9:03am |
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after restricting AUS to just 204, WI go down tamely, from 97/3 they got reduced to some 104/9 just goes to show how vulnerable this team has become.
I hope they pull off at least a couple of wins this series. They are surely capable of doing it, badly missing Rampaul though, I rate Ravi Rampaul very highly as a bowler.
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Posted: 17 March 2012 at 11:46am |
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WI were very good with the ball but the batting effort was just dismal. AUS didn't even bowl that brilliantly, it was just a really poor showing. You can't go forward like this with a bunch of all-rounders from number 4 onwards. Samuels, Dwayne Bravo, Pollard, Sammy and Russell. That's 5 all-rounders in your middle order, you need to develop proper specialist batsmen. Also, it's an absolute must that Chris Gayle returns. He is so important to this side and WI need good starts with the bat. You're not going to get that with the likes of Johnson Charles just flaying at everything. If Gayle returns, I actually see WI having a more than decent chance in the T20I WC. Specialist bowlers like Rampaul, Narine and Mathurin, big-hitters in Gayle, Pollard and Russell - they will be in with a shout. But Gayle must return. You just can't go on like this with your best batsman playing T20 cricket around the world whilst your country loses 6 wickets for 7 runs. It's just silly.
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Posted: 19 March 2012 at 3:45am |
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Down Australia goes, and with that, we get a public holiday on Tuesday for the next game. Regardless, I was going to be at the game. Was so great being part of a packed stadium and making loads of noise coming to the end, I even dished out a few boos to the Aussies.
Stands went crazy when Baugh hit the winning runs.Windies do have a very good bowling attack, and Kemar Roach is bowling at his best as far as his ODI career goes. Hardly giving anything away at the moment. Australia not liking the slow decks. During the first ODI when Warner was batting, from the stands, you could see he was frustrated by the slowness of the deck, as between deliveries/overs, he was swinging his bat in disgust. Sunil Narine gets his off breaks to grip sharply, they're not going to find it easy against him, especially as he bowls such a nagging line and length. Had windies had any decent batters, they'd easily cause a lot more problems to this current Aussie outfit. It's the weakest Aussie team to tour here in ah long long time. |
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Posted: 19 March 2012 at 7:35am |
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Yes SW , it's not a great Aussie side by any means. Good win for the home side though and hopefully it'll give them the confidence to go on and win the series.
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Posted: 19 March 2012 at 12:01pm |
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Australia's batting order is so wrong Wade at 7 is wasted and why play M.hussey at 4 when all his life he has done well at 6/7 so keep him there. My lineup -
Warner,Wade,Watson,Bailey,M.Hussey,D.Hussey,Christian,Lee,McKay,Doherty,Lyon |
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Posted: 19 March 2012 at 12:33pm |
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All of Watson's success has been opening. I don't know why every Australian fan is obsessed with moving Watson from where he has all his success just to accomodate another player.
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Posted: 19 March 2012 at 4:00pm |
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Wonderful to see WI beat AUS after a period of 5 long years, Kieron Pollard leading the way with the bat and Narine with the ball.
Better news still for WI is that Gayle is likely to end his dispute with the WICB... boy if Gayle and Rampaul play for WI at the WT20, along with Pollard, Russel and Samuels, then I dare say they'll be THE team to watch out for at the tournament.
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Posted: 21 March 2012 at 4:06am |
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This tied match would have brought some bad memories back for Allan Donald... looked pretty similar at the end
. Windies have done well here, the wickets have been really slow and the Aussie batsmen have struggled to post anything decent. What about Narine's bowling action though?
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Posted: 21 March 2012 at 8:29am |
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I managed to catch the end of this match on TV last night and couldn't quite believe that run out, such a brain fade
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Posted: 21 March 2012 at 11:25am |
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yes of course. every bowler who does well against australia, his action must be checked.
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Posted: 21 March 2012 at 12:01pm |
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So that means Indian bowlers action will never go through checking
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Posted: 21 March 2012 at 1:12pm |
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Narine's action aint look as bad as many who have been cleared and currently playing. It's time enough West Indies started chucking out some teams too. I say play both Shillingford and Narine in the tests!
Nonetheless, due to a lot of people's hate for Sammy, they are blaming the run out on him, saying had he run for his life, he would have made it. The fact is, cricketing basics teach you that was never a run, ball went straight to the fielder, and there was 2 deliveries left to go. Brain fade indeed!!
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Posted: 21 March 2012 at 2:19pm |
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The Australia of old would have just run through the Windies after getting them 5/6 down. Great fighting effort from the WI lower order though before that horrible run-out. Also, why don't WI play an extra spinner? Narine and Samuels are really causing trouble, Bishoo should really get a game. Unfortunately, that would mean dropping Sammy, which they can't do and I can't see them dropping Russell.
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Posted: 21 March 2012 at 3:54pm |
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Next game is in St. Lucia, that won't turn as much, that pitch there will have a lot more life than Arnos Vale. Only change is Barath will be coming in for Powell I think.
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Posted: 21 March 2012 at 5:31pm |
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Despite the run out I think it's a good result for the WI, at one point of time they were almost done and dusted, I saw a bit of this game but certainly didn't saw the end as I was happily sleeping. Certainly with 2 more balls to go there shouldn't have been a need for any risky or non existent single.
WI have shown great character so far, and what's more they have ensured this series will stay alive right till the last ODI, something they failed to do last year, twice. Well done WI! The slow surfaces aren't suiting the Australian style of play and they are badly missing their best player of Spin, Michael Clarke, hell I say, they are even missing the legendary Ricky Ponting, this is where he could have been very handy... Australia though don't look back. |
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Posted: 22 March 2012 at 8:19am |
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That run out was plain stupid - why didn't they have a chat before the ball was bowled ? The only people happy with this result would have been the bookies........................... now wait a minute..............
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Posted: 22 March 2012 at 3:33pm |
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Anything's possible Sledge!
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Posted: 23 March 2012 at 5:16pm |
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I managed to tune in just in time to watch the carnage at the end of the WI innings - 145 off the last 12 overs. A lot of ordinary bowling but some serious hitting too.
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 7:40am |
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I saw the last 8 overs and that was some BRUTAL hitting from pollard and towards the end by Sammy, WI go 2-1 up and cannot lose the series now. This is quite an excellent performance by the Windies.
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Posted: 25 March 2012 at 9:16am |
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3-1 will be sweet.
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Race to No 1 again ... started!
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Posted: 25 March 2012 at 9:30am |
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Some seriously good hitting from Pollard and co, and some very ordinary bowling. The Aussies look a little lethargic, can't believe they're playing even more cricket - certainly the big travel time doesn't help. I hope they settle down and perform better in the tests. I'd like to see Warner make a bigger score and a bit more accuracy from the bowlers - Pattinson and Cummins will be welcome inclusions, with the latter still deemed unfit.
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Posted: 25 March 2012 at 10:21am |
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No Mikey , WI have come of age.It was obvious, they pushed India at their home, while Aussies faced Ind & SL who haven't been consistent post world cup.Remember Aussies were being questioned before India's tour. All the looked fine, when India toured them.
The only shining thing I see for Australia is Pattinson and Cummins, I don't know how long Cummins can last at top level putting so much pressure on his body.His career might be more like Bond ... in and out of team due to stress/strain and injuries.If he can stay away ... nothing like it. India haven't been in any sort of decent run of form for a long long time.The same holds good for SL.Maybe Aus should have prepared much better. On Warner, I think it is a management strategy to have a slow Warner.... I do not agree with that approach.Anyone could score at that rate, why have Warner do that ? If he plays fast , chances are that he will get out soon, but that is the chance you got to take with players like them. However I really don't mind a Warner who's strike rate is around 80's
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Posted: 25 March 2012 at 10:43am |
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I think you are inferring that Warner is extremely talented, but only if he plays his natural game. I agree, if he plays like himself then certainly that's going to be better for him - he's better off being in a Sehwag or Gilchrist role, that's for sure.
West Indies do look a much more professional side under Sammy, and I have been saying so for some time, so their performances have hardly surprised me, although I do think the Australians are tiring after a very, very long summer of cricket. Nonetheless, I do think the Australians have always been better in the longer form, in the past 4 years this hasn't been the case, but I do sense a turn around and do expect Australia to win the test series. Clarke and Ponting, both in good form, will be welcome inclusions, while Cowan has also been in lovely form and should maintain his position in the side. Pattinson, Harris/Siddle, Hilfenhaus, Lyon will be a very good bowling line-up, and I don't think Starc is far off the mark - looked a different bowler by the end of the summer, look out for more good performances from him. |
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Posted: 25 March 2012 at 1:24pm |
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Milky i wont blame players even as a fan i'm really tired of watching Australia play so many matches but to be fair they dont have much power in batting they need a hitter in the low order and please try someone else Hilfenhaus is not a ODI bowler.
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Posted: 25 March 2012 at 3:20pm |
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Don't know why WI have decided to bowl here, AUS off to a good start at 57/0 after 11.
There is plenty of cricket being played by all teams, and AUS have been playing plenty of it since so many years now, so I don't think tiredness should be much of a factor. On today's game, being a neutral, I'd like to see WI win a series for a change, AUS have dominated WI since more than a decade and it'll be good to see something different happening!
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Australians are doing well at 132/1. Forrest has had 6 bad games in a row and I suspect if he misses out here after Australia have made such a good start, with Warner smashing 69 at a run a ball, then he will not get many more opportunities in the future.
Mystery is right though, less firepower than in the old days when we had Hayden, Ponting, Gilchrist and Symonds in the same side, who can all hit the ball long and hard... even Hussey can clear the boundary quite well. So yes, certainly missing some fire power, and wouldn't mind the selectors choosing more naturally aggressive players, as opposed to Bailey and Forrest. |
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I also agree that AUS just don't seem to have enough aggressive players in the ODI's, both Hussey's will also be gone in a year or two, the selectors need to look at their options carefully, Daniel Christian or Moses Henriques do have some big hitting abilities and can replace one of the Hussey's, not sure if cameron White can still make a come back to replace Forrest or may be they'll look to get a youngster in.
AUS need not worry too much on the bowling front once Cummins and Pattinson come back, even Bollinger can be a good option for ODI's, better than Hilfenhaus for sure... and we have all forgotten, Mitchell Johnson can still come back in the ODI side... so AUS bowling is doing all fine.
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Yeah I'm not too worried about the bowling, and I agree that Dougie is a fabolous ODI bowler and I rate Johnson in ODIs. So plenty of options available, Starc is one of my favourites at the minute too.
All I can say though is that WI has a really strong lower order, they were down and dusted and Sammy and Russell just plonked the ball left, right and centre. Russell is a pretty good cricketer, shall be an important cog in this upcoming WI side. Australia are yet again having problems cleaning up the tail in ODIs though... |
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Posted: 26 March 2012 at 9:07am |
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Yes , this Aussie line up can't quite finish the job and it's costing them dearly on occasions. That they won by 30 runs seems to indicate a comfortable win , but they should have won it by about 100 ! So 2-2 , both sides will feel a little unsatified with that outcome , especially the home side who seem to be coming right but haven't quite nailed it.
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