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    Posted: 26 March 2012 at 4:43pm
Pollard, Russell and Sammy does pack some deadly blows.  Andre Russell is a big dangerman for all opposing teams.  Check these stats.
 
92* Vs India, rescuing West Indies from 5 wickets down cheaply, to blitzing them to around 250.
 
49 vs England WC 2011, nearly won West Indies the game
 
53 vs India 2011 (Put on a magnificent partnership with Kieron Pollard, who eventually got his first ton. Windies lost by 36 runs, but could have well lost by 100 or more runs)
 
37 vs Aus 2012, tied ODI with good partnership with Carlton Baugh.  Windies were 112-5, and got 220 in the end
 
34 vs Aus 2012 - he along with Pollard and Sammy blitzed 145 runs in the last 12 overs, with Russell being part of the chief starter to that.
 
41 vs Aus 2012 in a blistering partnership of 101 from about 57 balls.
 
He is similar to Adam Gilchrist in Test Cricket, comes in late, and makes a lost game swing back the tide to West Indies with some bullet like stroke play.
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Russel is a very good find no doubt Spinny, I'm highly impressed with the way Sammy batted in this series... Sammy, Pollard and Russel... God almighty, if they get going the ball will burst into pieces ... watch out for WI at the WT20... they will be a very very dangerous side... and if Gayle joins.... God save their opponents.

On yesterday's loss - they should have batted first. Impressed by Brett Lee though, his opening spell still had that venom, this guy isn't getting any older.


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Pollard, Russell and Sammy does pack some deadly blows.  Andre Russell is a big dangerman for all opposing teams.  Check these stats.
Yup SW, I remember the first time I saw him bat and bowl , he looked to fit the bill.I remember I was quite curious and asked you about his prospects.
 
No dobuts WI has the best lower down the order batting line up in the world.Infact probaly the only lower down the order line up who are more reliable than top order.
 
If Barath,Barvo (Jr) and few other youngsters at the top can come to party , this WI will be difficult to beat , the only one thing probably they lack is to play against spin at times.  
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Sam, Chris Gayle has signed a draft agreement with the WICB, so things are on track, but he has included a side letter to the WICB.  I think its safe to assume he'll be back, but I don't think for the Aussies series.  The side letter probably states he wants to fullfil his contractual obligations with IPL and Somerset T20's.  Chances are he might be in for the WT20.

And Raj, Windies clearly lost the series big time due to the inefficiency of their openers and middle order batsmen.  Windies bowling is good and the lower order is capable of a big assault.  Before the series began, I was telling fellow West Indian fans, that all is required is for the top 4 to bat until about 35 overs, even if they got to 150.  With Dwayne Bravo, Pollard, Russell, Sammy from #5 and lower, they can easily knock off 125 runs in the last 10 overs.
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yes, it'll be great to see Gayle in west indian colors, one thing is for sure, WI have improved immensely and remember they are without Ravi Rampaul, their best bowler, his inclusion will make them even stronger.

I dare say, WI will start WT20 as the favorites as I do not see any other side being as explosive, RSA might be the other favorite team... and talking of T20, the first T20 begins today... I must say I have throughly enjoyed watching this series. Some really hard fought battles between the two sides so far. Clap
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Watson has a great game, hitting 6 sixes in a fast 69 and taking 1/16 off 4 overs. Quality all rounder, and proves that he can hold his own in all formats with the bat and ball. Bailey's 2nd win in 3 matches as captain, so he'll be pleased and this match also showed Mike Hussey's worth in T20, he's definitely one of the best in this format, which again goes to show you don't have to be a slogger to be successful in this format, albeit he can hit the ball long when the time requires it.

Windies lacked a bit of firepower in their bowling, so strange to see so many spinners in WI cricket and only a couple of really quick bowlers. Rampaul will be a very welcome inclusion for the tests and yes, it would be great to see Gayle come back. Now that WI is a more united force, his inclusion could really push the WI team to go much further, or it could have the opposite effect...
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Australia did bowl pretty good at the end yesterday, much different from the past 2 ODI's.  The partnership between Bonner and Darren Bravo cost West Indies the game big time.  That was unacceptable for T20 Cricket.  St. Lucia is a 175 ground to feel safe in T20's.
 
Things will get interesting on Friday.  A lot more bouncer maybe used, its going to be blistering fast down in Barbados, as it has been always throughout the last few years when all decks around the world has started to get slower.  I'd go as far and bravely say that it's even faster currently than the WACA.
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Good game that, a clinical performance by AUS, just showing they can raise the bar when required, WI have every chance of levelling the series though, absolutely agree with Spinny, Bonner played way too slowly and that partnership lost WI all the momentum, also Russel not playing was a big set back, he is such a wonderful all round cricketer.

Watson has seen his bowlers take a lot of beating in the last 3 ODI's and must have felt good by giving some back, this has been a thriller of a series so far!
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I dare say, WI will start WT20 as the favorites as I do not see any other side being as explosive, RSA might be the other favorite team


As much as I would like it to be true, I wouldn't say RSA are favorites. They have a really consistent side but not enough match-winners. Only AB, Levi and Albie with the bat and possibly Botha with the ball. They must select Tahir for the T20s though since it's being played in SL. If they leave him out and select Robin Peterson instead, they will bleed runs in the field. Although I would agree that WI are right up there as favorites along with the sub-continent sides.
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If IND can improve their bowling they'll be right up there, but I don't see that happening.

RSA are a very good side in all formats BP, in T20's they've got the explosive abilities of Levi, Albie, the class of AB and Hashim and obviously Smith and Duminy are very good players in any format. Talking of bowling, Morne and Steyn don't need formats to bowl well, they just need a ball to clean up their opponents!!!
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Yeah, after watching IND bowl today, I wouldn't consider them favorites. Their batting line-up will be the best on show by a country mile but the bowling is just so poor, I can see them eventually getting into a position where the batting can't recover the runs they bleed in the field.

I don't think we'll play Smith though. Hashim and Levi are a dead cert to open and Smith isn't going to be in the side if he isn't opening. Also, Steyn hasn't played a T20I for about 2 years now, he isn't in the international T20 set-up for RSA. So we can't really count the skill and experience of Smith and Steyn because they won't play. I still think Hashim is unproven in the T20 format so I really don't think I would consider him a match-winner just yet.

I may have been a bit too harsh on our side though. You're right about Morne and I guess we can Tsotsobe to that as well since he is doing so well. Levi, Albie, AB, Duminy, Morkel, Tsotsobe and Botha. 7 excellent players who can all win RSA games but the main issue I have is with the passengers in the bowling attack. Guys like Parnell and Theron aren't good enough bowlers and they will be taken apart on flat surfaces in SL, which offer very little for the faster bowlers. RSA just need an X-factor bowler like a Malinga to partner the likes of Morkel, Tsotsobe and Botha. Then I would say RSA stand a very good chance of winning.

Back on topic, a great win for the WI. So far on the tour, AUS have won 3 matches and WI have won 3 matches. I bet the Aussies wouldn't have been expecting such a poor return but now comes the biggest challenge for the Windies. Can they possibly challenge the Aussies in the Test matches?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 March 2012 at 9:30am
I would say definitely play Steyn ahead of Parnell or Theron. Also you are right, they should play botn Tahir and Botha and drop Robin.

Right back to the AUS-WI encounter, what a series this has been, ODI's drawn 2-2 with a Tie, T20's drawn 1-1 and now it's time for the tests, really has been a neck to neck battle this!!! Well done West Indies. Fidel and Smith made all the difference yesterday, after a long timeWI are looking good now and are backing it up by results, which is a delight for all cricket lovers!
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Test will be really interesting this time.Nothing can better with still a deadlock between the two teams after 7 encounters with 3 wins for each and a tie. So so so close.
 
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Another fine show by the West Indies and they are taking the fight to the Aussies once again, 25th ton for Chanders as WI post 448/9 dec. Some explosive sitting by Sammy towards the end.

AUS are in some sort of bother 133/3 at lunch on Day 1, this is turning out to be a fascinating contest.
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Another fine show by the West Indies and they are taking the fight to the Aussies once again, 25th ton for Chanders as WI post 448/9 dec. Some explosive sitting by Sammy towards the end.

AUS are in some sort of bother 133/3 at lunch on Day 1, this is turning out to be a fascinating contest.
Watching the match ? I guess you were sleepy. 
 
I know sam it was typo, but I wish some day I see this score ... 448+133 runs and 12 wickets on lunch day 1. 
 
EDIT: Rain is interrutps the play now. Had a look at Forecast, looks like there are some showers forecasted for today and tommorow.Hopefully everything clears soon.


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200 run lead still for the Windies, with Hussey and Wade the last recognised batsmen both at the crease. Clarke continued his good form but missed out on a ton, while Watson ran out Ponting which has proven to be extremely costly. Ponting is coming off red hot form from the Sheffield Shied and his last test series. The run rates from both sides have been extremely slow and if Australia can somehow manage to reduce the deficit and match the Windies score (+/- 50 runs) then it could be a draw. Windies in the box seat though.
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It was a typo Raj! :)

A defiant last wicket stand here, still unbroken has in all likelihood saved the test for Australia, only thing that can happen now is WI collapsing and losing, but I hope that doesn't happen. Very good performance this by Harris and Lyon. WI have played well though, they actually won't mind a hard fought drawn series.


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Harris and Lyon were awesome, both looked like proper batsmen and the Windies had no answers. Declaring from behind was bold from Clarke, he could have eliminated the deficit, but he took a risk and it worked. If Australia can clean the last 5 up quickly then a 150-200 chase would be gettable. Clarke has made this match interesting after a boring 3 days.
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I like the cut of Clarke's gib !  Ponting captained a side that was for many years was just light years ahead off all opposition , in short , the side didn't need a pro-active captain to win matches. Clarke's inherited a side in transition and has not been cautious in his approach and yesterday's declaration epitomised that positivity.  That his side fielded for almost 2 days and conceded almost 450 runs must have been pretty demoralising. At the start of play yesterday and the early losses of Hussey and Siddle had me thinking that the Windies could well declare later in the day and go for the win. What happened shows the real beauty of test cricket - the tail made batting look easy and then the surprise declaration and Hilfenhaus reducing the home side to 4-3 - brilliant !! 
              What looked like a bore draw is now set up for a fantastic final day. If Australia pull off a win here the credit will go in equal amounts to the tail , the attack and Clarke , but in my eyes Clarke was the real star.
               The future for Australia looks rosy , Clarke always bats with panache and he's shown that he intends to captain in the same cavalier way - good luck to him , cricket needs captains that are willing to take risks and declaring short could well have set them up for a remarkable win.
             Having said all that , the Windies are far from out of this contest although I do think that the two at the crease do have to dig in and try and take the wind out of the Aussie sails. If they don't the Aussies could well be chasing below 200 and with maybe two and a half sessions to get them.    Whatever transpires , I'll be there tonight - all results still possible.


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I don't think there was anything special with the decleration timing. As a captain , with just 40 runs deficit and and just about 4 sessions left when the series is at 0-0, it was but obvious that Aussies managment felt that they were safe and they could take a chance if early wicket falls ( that is what exactly happened). I prefectly agree that it was the perfect time to declare ... full marks to it , but I would say it was a safety first strategy rather than aggressive, not a surprise or nothing innovative about it.
 
Had Clarke declared with 150 runs deficit, it would be riskier but for me that would be gutsy and surprise decleration. I remeber Fleming did that once.
 
Clarke is one of the best test batsman, but I seriously doubt his captaincy.I might be wrong.Time will tell.
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Why on earth would any captain declare 150 runs behind Raj, Risky??? That is suicidal??? Confused 

Clarke is a very good captain, not because he declared behind, honestly I find no logic in a captain declaring behind, you anyhow have to get those runs and you anyhow are willing to declare, so why not ask your tailenders to go for absolutely everything, even if they get out, no worries, if they score runs, great, because you anyhow have to get those runs!!!

192 to get then for the Aussies, WI will have to get some early wickets to put some pressure on them, 60 overs remain in the day, one would expect Aussies to get there, but a few early wickets and it could all change.




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Well Sam , if time is too less and team which is lagging wants to force a result , then they can let go a huge lead, I remember Fleming doing that with 199 odd run lead.
 
Here there was obvious logic in declaring behind , if AUS had knocked off those runs there wouldn't be a carrot for WI, then psychological factor on batsman to bat few minutes before tea and again settle after tea.When WI resumed they started with an uncomfortable situation.That's what I said , it was obvious to declare at that point.However in my view AUS were in complete safety  in declaring with 4 sessions to go. Even if WI had played 2 sessions they would not be in a position to declare and take 20 wickets. AUS had the luxuary at that time.
 
EDIT: I know, there is nothing like complete safety in cricket, but atleast AUS if they go for victory and if few quick wickets fall , they can have plan B and go for draw, as they won't have to survive for long time as match would be over by then.


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Warner falls , Aus 31-1 with still 52 overs to go.

Looks like there is no time for all those overs , wheather could play a role there.Still approx 1 and half session left in day's play,161 runs to get. WI need few wickets to get safe , while AUS need a steady partnership, so that they can go for onslaught at the end.
 
If WI lose , it will hurt me a lot Cry , I am calling it a day can't hold back sleep any longer.
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What a match!! THIS IS REAL CRICKET unlike useless matches of IPL -

Sad for WI they did very well but in the end better team won. Very happy that Australia won Clap

Sam there was nothing special about Clarke's captaincy declaring behind 40 is not a huge thing Mr Captain Cool Dhoni does it daily.




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What a match , what a series ... the two teams are evenly matched. If someone asks me to put money on some team I would divide it and put equally on the two teams.There is hardly anything that seperates them.
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Clarke's declaration probably had something to do with the body language of the West Indians - they were seriously hacked off with the Aussie tail !  The timing of it was impeccable and the home side weren't expecting it - they were not in the right frame of mind when they went into bat - hence 4-3 !

       As for the finish , well done to the Aussies in pretty poor light. Fine attacking knock from Watson set it up and I expect they'll go on to win the series in some comfort.  Some pretty ragged bowling from the Windies , especially to the tail in the first innings. They still have a fragile mentality and simply don't know how to bury a side when they are on top. As for their tactics yesterday - one slip and a one day field in the 2nd over - what was that ??? They were never going to be able to prevent the Aussies from scoring at 3 an over , so they had to attack and try and take 10 wickets. I'm glad they lost , their whole approach yesterday was cockeyed !
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Australia deserved to win, not just as Sledger mentioned, because of the poor attitude of the Windies attack/captaincy, but because the Aussies were audacious and aggressive. Clarke instilled confidence in his bowlers when he declared, even though there was a possibility for more runs. He sent the message to his bowlers that he thinks they're world beaters and can get the Windies out cheaply, and that's exactly what they did. Australians looked out of this game completely, it's a great comeback and it ended up being a brilliant test after a boring first 3 days.

You can say that this is a poor Windies side, but there's nothing wrong with that batting line-up, even without Gayle, and the bowlers were playing in home conditions. Australia have now won 5 tests in a row, and that'll give Clarke even more confidence. He also batted very well in the first innings.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 April 2012 at 6:33pm
congratulations to Australia on a really hard fought victory. I think Sledge is right, Clarke's declaration had a lot to do with the body language of the west indians, and no one was expecting a declaration at that time.

There is one other point I'd like to make, in fact making it now sounds silly but I wanted to say this right when Sammy declared in the first innings, when you are WI and you know you can collapse anytime, 449 is not a score you would want to declare on, Yes, they were 9 wickets down, but so were the Aussies when that match turning partnership came, in the end may be 4-5 overs from that last wicket in the first innings could have saved WI the match.

In my opinion when you are a team that is not used to winning, then you simply must not declare unless you are absolutely certain of a safe score. Just bat untill you are bowled out or else until you reach 580-600.
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Yes Milky Australia have now won 5 matches in a row hopeful they will win the next 2 and Sam i think rain was the main reason behind declaring but i agree we have seen so many times in last few years teams like WI and NZ declare only to allow other team get back in the game and like Sledger said Watson played a huge part in Australia winning and he currently is the best all-rounder in test cricket after Kallis.

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