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dips_december
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Topic: Australia Tour to Pakistan Posted: 07 February 2008 at 9:34am |
Originally posted by kahmad
The pakistani team is not set at the moment. IMO SA is definetly better side than India as they play a very positiv cricket. |
The Indians didn't have ideal preparations because they had only one practise match before the tests began and hence it took them 2 tests to get adjusted to the conditions and as a result they lost the first 2 tests but won and drew the 2nd and 3rd tests respectively. Pakistan I hope will be suited to their home conditions.
Originally posted by kahmad
IMO SA is definetly better side than India as they play a very positiv cricket. |
South Africa have had 2 good series because of Dale Steyn who picked up 40 wickets in his last 5 tests. Ntini's form hasnt been great of late and SAF will struggle if Steyn dosent do well especially against Asian teams. Paul Harris is a good prospect but Asians play spin well...
In what way has India played negative cricket?
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Posted: 07 February 2008 at 9:36am |
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Originally posted by kahmad
IMO SA is definetly better side than India as they play a very positiv cricket. |
So if someone plays positive cricket, they are better irrespective of the outcome? |
yes i think so. Look at Australia and South Africa. They dont have any fear of loosing a match. India never can declare an Innings in a Position when the opposition have a slightest chance to win. The other 2 team are doing this.
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Posted: 07 February 2008 at 9:36am |
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If you are talking about ODI team, yes, SA is a better team. But I guess we are talking about test cricket here.
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Posted: 07 February 2008 at 9:39am |
Originally posted by kahmad
yes i think so. Look at Australia and South Africa. They dont have any fear of loosing a match. India never can declare an Innings in a Position when the opposition have a slightest chance to win. The other 2 team are doing this. |
Firstly, I don't have the stats about in how many matches SA has declared.
But how does this make SA a better side. If Bangladesh get a chance to enforce the follow on, they might. Does it make them a better team?
Regarding Aus, I have already made a point that, still they better than India.
Edited by kirankri - 07 February 2008 at 9:41am
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Posted: 07 February 2008 at 9:40am |
Originally posted by kirankri
If you are talking about ODI team, yes, SA is a better team. But I guess we are talking about test cricket here. |
In Odi SA is better than India....
In Test India is better than SA...
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Posted: 07 February 2008 at 9:41am |
Originally posted by dips_december
[The Indians didn't have ideal preparations because they had only one practise match before the tests began and hence it took them 2 tests to get adjusted to the conditions and as a result they lost the first 2 tests but won and drew the 2nd and 3rd tests respectively. Pakistan I hope will be suited to their home conditions.
South Africa have had 2 good series because of Dale Steyn who picked up 40 wickets in his last 5 tests. Ntini's form hasnt been great of late and SAF will struggle if Steyn dosent do well especially against Asian teams. Paul Harris is a good prospect but Asians play spin well...
In what way has India played negative cricket? |
I meant the Team selection and the training with the preperation. They are not set for this tour. Nobody knows his role at the moment. Indians were mentally very set for a long time.
South Africa had a lots of good series in recent years. They won in Pakistan. In South Africa against India, Pakistan, New Zealand, West Indies. They played fantastic cricket in last years.
India dont play negative cricket but they are also not playing positive cricket. They could have won in England 2-0. Aginst Pakistan too. A good side must have the Confidence to win
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Posted: 07 February 2008 at 9:44am |
Originally posted by mystery
In Odi SA is better than India....
In Test India is better than SA... |
I believe so. And one of the reason for that I feel is, lack of quality spinner in SA attack and batting against quality spin. Some of the areas where they are better than India is fielding, running between the wickets and opening pair.
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Posted: 07 February 2008 at 9:46am |
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I have nothing against India. They played so well in Australia. They didn't deserve to loose the series. I know we are talking about test. and i think we are talking about the consistancy and the last 3 or 4 years and not just 1 or 2 series. One close Series agains Australia doesnt mean they are 2nd in the world.
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Posted: 07 February 2008 at 9:51am |
Originally posted by kahmad
One close Series agains Australia doesnt mean they are 2nd in the world. |
I have clearly posted the details about how India and SA have lost the series in this decade (2000 - 2008). I didn't take victories into consideration because both India and SA have won considerably both away and at home. The difference is in the way, they have lost the series and the way they have played the best team in the world. I guess, I have enough knowledge in Cricket not to come to such conclusions based on one series.
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Posted: 07 February 2008 at 9:53am |
Anyway, this might become a India-SA thread....
Sticking to the thread, IMO, Pakistan shouldn't be thinking about playing Akhtar who let them down badly in India.
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Posted: 07 February 2008 at 10:04am |
Also Pakistan selectors need to be careful about some Aussie Media..  You might soon start see them talking about Lee v/s Akhtar series...
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Posted: 07 February 2008 at 10:17am |
That is the lack of preperation that i meant. If they want to play Akhtar then they have to talk to him now. I have a feeling they will let him play and will talk to him late as possible. The problems should be solved by now. They cant expect playing Asif, Akhtar and Afridi together in the team without talking to them. They have solve the problems quickly otherwise it will very hard to comeback after 1-0 in the series.
I beleave that they have to play Akhtar on these Tracks to have any chance in the series.
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Posted: 07 February 2008 at 10:23am |
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Regarding Akhtar, they shouldn't consider him at all. Why do you want Afridi in the test side? That too against Australia. Only Asif should be played. So there is no problem from that angle.
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Posted: 07 February 2008 at 10:35am |
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Cute reply Kahmad and I am agree with you. It is necessary to solve the internal issue of Pakistani cricketer like Akhar , Afridi and Muhammad Asif. Yesterday PCB also decided the limit the Australian tour to 4 venues. They Played in 3 tests, 5 ODi and One twenty20 match in the following grounds Karachi, Lahore, Multan and Fasialabad. I think first of All the solved the internal issue and do 100 % attention to practice and struggle to win this great series.
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Posted: 07 February 2008 at 10:39am |
i am not a big fan of Afridi in odis but in Test matches he has played well sofar. He is the only Motivator in the Team with Younus. He performed well against Australia last tim in Australia. I am sure can pick more wickets than Kaneria if he bowls 40 overs
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Posted: 07 February 2008 at 10:41am |
But if you replace Kaneria with Afridi and have Akhtar in the side, virtually you might end up having only two bowlers bowling 60 overs.
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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 4:54am |
Originally posted by kirankri
Regarding Akhtar, they shouldn't consider him at all. |
I know you being an indian would love to see a 3-0 Aussies victory and that is why you saying so.
Wel, the latest is that CA cheif has told NAsim Ashraf that there players are not ready to come to pakistan. And there are only 20% chances of this tour. What a pity
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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:35am |
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I won't deny the fact that, I definetly support Australia if this series is played. But when I made a point about Akthar, that was my opinion if Pakistan need to be competitive in the series. He is too indescisplined IMO to consider him in the side when you are thinking of having only 4 regular bowlers. If the opinion is because of the bias against Pakistan, it would be interesting to know what the neutrals (Sledge, Clobs, 143, Bondy, BFM, Spin and others ...) think about Akhtar. Would you like to take him in your side guys when you want to play 4 bowlers?
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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 6:20am |
Sadly enough, many in PCB also think on the similar ines as you and most of the other guys on the forum (including many of those you mentioned). If you trace back my posts i have always said IF fit, KAhtar should always play. He is vital for Pak success. If we are to win test matches atleast for a year or so from today, we have to have him in the side. Like it or not, it will turn into a reality. I kept this signature of mine some 4 months back, and it has not disappointed me since.
Disciplined or not, when fit, he is a match winner
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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 6:21am |
And by the way a few or atleast one name you mentioned in the bracket is certainly not neutral.
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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 8:31am |
At the moment Pakistan dont have any replacement for Akhtar in Test Matches. PCB should talk to the team members and solve the Problem. They always make a big issue of a problem. They have to solve it internal. What is doing the team manager of Pakistan? He is doing nothing on the Tour. After returning he reports all the Problem. PCB should learn to deal with all the players. I know Akhtar is not behavaving well, but he was the only Bowler against India who could take wickets. If he is fully fit, he can win matches.
Not every Country have matchwinning bowlers like him. And no country have a cricket board like PCB. They are doing big Mistakes too.
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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 8:32am |
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Neutral to Ind-Pak I mean ..
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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 8:59am |
Originally posted by kirankri
I won't deny the fact that, I definetly support Australia if this series is played. But when I made a point about Akthar, that was my opinion if Pakistan need to be competitive in the series. He is too indescisplined IMO to consider him in the side when you are thinking of having only 4 regular bowlers. If the opinion is because of the bias against Pakistan, it would be interesting to know what the neutrals (Sledge, Clobs, 143, Bondy, BFM, Spin and others ...) think about Akhtar. Would you like to take him in your side guys when you want to play 4 bowlers? |
as a neutral, and just as importantly someone who actually cares about the integrity of the game of cricket, I wouldn't have him anywhere near any side I was involved in.
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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 9:10am |
Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi
Sadly enough, many in PCB also think on the similar ines as you and most of the other guys on the forum (including many of those you mentioned). If you trace back my posts i have always said IF fit, KAhtar should always play. He is vital for Pak success. If we are to win test matches atleast for a year or so from today, we have to have him in the side. Like it or not, it will turn into a reality. I kept this signature of mine some 4 months back, and it has not disappointed me since.
Disciplined or not, when fit, he is a match winner |
I agree because Pakistan dont have any match-winning bowlers other than him and Aisf. They have good batsmen in Younis, Yousuf and Misbah.
I also feel they miss someone of the likes of Abdul Razzaq, he was a vital part of the ODI team. Its a shame that the PCB dropped him.
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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 9:27am |
Originally posted by kirankri
I won't deny the fact that, I definetly support
Australia if this series is played. But when I made a point about
Akthar, that was my opinion if Pakistan need to be competitive in the
series. He is too indescisplined IMO to consider him in the side when
you are thinking of having only 4 regular bowlers. If the opinion is
because of the bias against Pakistan, it would be interesting to know
what the neutrals (Sledge, Clobs, 143, Bondy, BFM, Spin and others ...)
think about Akhtar. Would you like to take him in your side guys when
you want to play 4 bowlers? |
Cricket is a primarily a team game and that single
important facet seems to have eluded Shoiab throughout his entire
career. His massive ego and selfishness has eroded any team
spirit that Pakistan ever had. One bad egg leaves an awful stink
that clings to the others and I believe Pakistan are well shut of him.
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 9:30am |
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Ahktar does much more harm than good to pakistan cricket, his selfish attitude affects the whole team.
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Monkey see, Monkey do.
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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 9:57am |
Mere speculation..he is quite a team player. He probably is the most unfit player in the team but one certainly cant doubt his commitment. Infact he has been handled most poorly by PCB tha any other cricketer. It remains to be seen how is pakistan test side better of without him. I dont think not winning test matches can do any good to the team, and that is what will happen with an AKhtar-less pakistan test squad.
I agree Dips, Razzaq is the most missed player in pak squad alongwith Saqlain. Both have been poorly dealt with.
But i am afraid this thread may end without the actual cricket being played as Australian players are not willing to travel
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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 10:00am |
Originally posted by 143no
Ahktar does much more harm than good to pakistan cricket, his selfish attitude affects the whole team. |
I am agree with you friend. Actually I don't like Shoaib Akhtar. I think Abdul Razaq or Muhammad Sami is the best. There are many players in country whose can palyed well as compared to Shoaib Akhtar. Now a Days he is also seeing the dreams of captaincy. I don't think that he is good bowler or he would be good Captain.
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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 10:04am |
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Bilal my cute little freind. I always tend to ignore your innocent posts. This one is no different but requires a reply. Nothing wrong with disliking Akhtar. But how about Sami bening the best??????????? And when did you ask him about his dream?? Rather it is only in today's newspaper that he has said that h doesnt think that he can ever be a good captain as PCB has named him the captain of the federal team in the pentangular cup
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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 10:05am |
Originally posted by ahmadbilal
Now a Days he is also seeing the dreams of captaincy.
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Is he eyeing on captaincy?
Some good points ...Integrity, being a team man. Without these two qualities, a captain always finds it very difficult to handle an individual.
Edited by kirankri - 08 February 2008 at 10:06am
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