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    Posted: 14 April 2009 at 5:52pm
Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

Ofcorse those days are gone. We have to live with it. We dont have a bowler even close to the calibre of wasim, Waqar and Saqlain. But then, we look all around the world, and we find nobody elsewhere either matching the class of the guys you mentioned. Razzaq is a huge los. It takes away balance out of the team I agree. But Akhtar and Gul are decent enough bowlers atleast in the limited overs format. So are Lee and company.
find nobody elsewhere either matching the class of the guys you mentioned.... were they [wasim,waqar and saqlain] completley unplayable throught their career ?  I really dont think so.I have storng memories when they were also taken to cleaners.
 
but then McGrath,Pollock,Kumble,Warnie,Walsh had similar success in their time.
 
Currently Dale Styen,Lee,Bhajji,Zak,Murali,Vettori,Vass,Ntini,Flintoff ... to name a few who are still playing and already proved over time
 
Give time to Jhonson,Ishant,J Taylor,Morkel,Mendis and you find lot of player of same class.
 
 
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I can't expect there to be anything in the pitch for the bowlers, just like in the Pakistan series.
 
I believe there will be something in it for the bowlers, esp spinners. If we look back at the PAK - WI series last year the bowlers didn't really got smacked around and interestingly Iftikhar Anjum was the pick of the pakistan bowlers in thats series. so medium fast bowlers could also do well there.
 
PAK's resukts could also depend to some extent on Shoaib Akhtar. if he can get going he can be devestating, esp against this inexperienced AUS batting line up.
 
AUS will rely mainly upon Clarke, Lee and Marsh.
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I think someone who will do very well is James Hopes. He's been in great touch with the bat, and his bowling has come a long way and he definitely is capable of bowling all 10 overs with good economy and a couple of wickets. He's pretty experienced now as well. Guys like David Hussey and Callum Ferguson will enjoy more responsibility in the middle order, while the Michael Clarke will relish the captaincy. Looking forward to the series.
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Yes I am looking froward to James Hopes as well. He is really underrated ofr his talent.
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When Windies toured in Abu Dhabi, the pitch had help for everyone.  I was very impressed with it.  The size of the outfield to stretch very far, one game the boundaries straight back were 75 metres and the ones square were 85.  It was ridiculous in the first game where they had the ones straight back over 60 metres.  The pitch had a bit of sideways movement and the spinners were getting turn.  Bounce was consistent and the pitch wasn't that slow so it was good for everyone.  A top venue in my book!
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Nothing worse than a road for a pitch and a small ground.
I always like a low scoring thriller to be honest, one side makes 180 and the other side struggle to chase. Thrilling stuff.
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Haha, yeah, quite a few of that in the last few years.  220 usually provides for top cricket.  Teams take the cautious approach chasing and ends up having to much to do in the latter stages.
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This is why I miss ODI cricket of the 90s. Not only were all my favourites playing, like Mark Waugh, Lara, Wasim, Klusener and Warney, but getting 300 was a rare occasion and you really savoured those kind of matches. 
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Yes, I remember those days.  Any score above 250 was a challenge to get.  270 was a winning score!  I find it very strange that teams find 270 not challenging nowadays but struggle to get 220.
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Mental disintegration mate
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Or maybe they can't play on wickets with a bit of assistance to bowlers or they can't play under pressure?
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I am looking for a complete Australian dominance here.
 
Lee also doubtfull , Still I go with 5-0 or 4-1 in favour of Aussies.


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Still a bit far fetched Raj. But any team can still win. Either way Lee was coming back from injury with no match practice, so he could have been horrible for all we know. Hopefully he recovers quickly - top cricketer and top bloke.
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I'm expecting this to be a tight series,3/2 one way or the other.
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Originally posted by milkman

Still a bit far fetched Raj. But any team can still win. Either way Lee was coming back from injury with no match practice, so he could have been horrible for all we know. Hopefully he recovers quickly - top cricketer and top bloke.
 
Yes a bit far , but you know from last six months or so my predictions are comming spot on.So I thought let me put it in writing before the series starts Smile .


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I like the boundaries spread over 75-80 m on the 1st ODI s WIN. It was a low scoring match and batsmen had to play real good shots to score boundaries. It is a beautiful ground and will have enough carry for the pacers,no movement though.
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What's it with Indian and SA , after winning the series they lose the final match.I guess they lose the interest, which is not a good sign.

Aussies final victory means India slip back to 3rd position and now for India to come back to No#2 spot Pak has to beat Aus 3-2.
 
Predictor Analysis:  SA is at 126 pts
If Aus win 3-2 then both India and Aus will be at 122 pts.
If Aus win 4-1 then Aus at 124 pts , Ind 122 pts
If Aus win 5-0 then Aus and SA on 126 pts
If Pak win 3-2 then Aus 121 pts, India 122pts,Pak 114 pts
If Pak win 4-1 then Aus 119 pts,Pak 117 pts
If Pak win 5-0 then Aus 116 pts,Pak 119 pts (#3 ranking)
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If Pak win 2 Aus win 2?
If Pak win 4 Aus win 0?
If 5 matches are tied?
If ...................... 
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Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

If Pak win 2 Aus win 2?
If Pak win 4 Aus win 0?
If 5 matches are tied?
If ...................... 
 
try out what you like
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I really enjoyed the contest between Zuhair and Milkman, but Pakistan is an unpredictable team. they can win, they can loose
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Maa'm it was not a contest. Was just discussion or debate
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Originally posted by Amal

I really enjoyed the contest between Zuhair and Milkman, but Pakistan is an unpredictable team. they can win, they can loose
quite right , but Pakistan is not alone in that aspect. Even India and SA are highly unpredicatable.Some days they seem like unbeatable team and before we can confirm they lose pathetically.Only Aussies from 1999 - 2007 had that ability to win from any situation,remeber those days when the likes of Bichel and Lee used to turn the match on its head in low scoring games with bat.
 
 


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India was never unpredictable. They were mostly quite predictable losers. And since thier massive improvement, they have been predictable winners
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both teams will try their best to win the series because it is necessary for both of them
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Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

India was never unpredictable. They were mostly quite predictable losers. And since thier massive improvement, they have been predictable winners
1983-1987: A very good period for India WC victory,B&H victories it was during this time they got the tag "Champions of the champions"
1988- 1992 : A lean period Lot of captaincy changes,aging stars were leaving the team and new look team was taking place World cup debacle here.
post 1992 WC to 1998: A very good period.India won lot of tournaments under Azhar captaincy.Emergence of Sachin,Sourav,Dravid and Kumble.They won consistently at home but still their overseas record was not great Got the tag of "Tigers at Home".
1999-2000: A lean period again WC debacle and match fixing issue had rocked the cricketing world
2001-2006: A very good period Initially under Sourav's captaincy the transformation and then under Dravid's captaincy. High success rates, WC fianls,Natwest,ICC champions trophy.The only problem was India was reaching finals of many tournaments but were unable to win the final match,They had for a short while borrowed the tag of "Chockers".
Reaching 28 finals from 2000 onwards till date but winning finals very less, that means they were second best isn't it?.
Late 2006 - WC 2007: Horrible period.First round exit
Post T20I WC 2007 - till date : Golden period
 
Sorry Zuhair, except for India's test matches at Aus,SA,NZ and WI (before 2004) they were never a quite predictable losers,and yes at Sharjah they were quite predictable against Pakistan , later they pulled out of that venue (for obvious reasons) when again they were not predictably losing against Pakistan.
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Originally posted by Amal

I really enjoyed the contest between Zuhair and Milkman, but Pakistan is an unpredictable team. they can win, they can loose


I got a lot of respect for Zuhair. I have debated other gentlemen in other forums who were from Pakistan and India and it was just complete nonsense. Zuhair knows what he's talking about and has sound knowledge with regard to cricket. I don't agree with him on everything, but that's what makes these discussions more interesting.
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Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84

Gul and Bracken - Bracken
Ajmal and Hauritz - No choices yet
So its 6 votes to aussies , 2 votes to pakistan and 3 - 50-50's. Plus Marsh,Watto and Pup are way above Butt,Jamshed and Younis [infact there is no comparison].The only grey area for aussies is Pup's captaincy. I doubt he has it in him.
Wow! What an unbiased opinion! I'll take Gul over Bracken on any day, especially considering Bracken's woeful form.

You have never seen Ajmal IMO. The fellow bowls a doosra too. Very Saqlain like in action. He'll be a handful if the pitch spins. Hauritz will be cannon fodder if he does not get to the groove early. Rating Clarke wayy above Younus is also utter rubbish. This man just hit a test triple! And finally may be because of your anti-Pakistani bias.
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Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84

Gul and Bracken - Bracken
Ajmal and Hauritz - No choices yet
So its 6 votes to aussies , 2 votes to pakistan .......
Wow! What an unbiased opinion! I'll take Gul over Bracken on any day, especially considering Bracken's woeful form.
You have never seen Ajmal IMO. The fellow bowls.........
When Dhoni burst into scene everyone got excited including me, but you need to wait till they perform against all the teams, all the conditions over period of time .. Only then you can blow the horn to such an extent.Regarding Ajmal, the way you have put it seems like he is already a legend that I don't(or don't intend to) recognise.Let's give some time and see how he fares.We will get to know soon.Frankly I didn't knew that he was a permenant member.Could be because there is so much less cricket with pakistan and second there are so many changes that keep happeing in the team.  
 
I have seen enough of Bracken and Gul , I would still welcome Bracken any day.He is accurate,economical and spot on.Gul is good at death but not as consistent always.
 
I wouldn't have replied but for the sarcastic remarks.I have put my perspective and I respect yours aswell. Anyway chill!
 
EDIT: Last two years, how the pitches in pakistan have been the whole world know abt it.Everyteam that played in pakistan for last two years just kept piling on runs.Still I would credit him for his triple,I havent seen him score good anywhere outside pakistan.The fact is post Inzi and Mohd Yusuf, Pakistan really do not have anything in batting talent.I have hopes only on Misbah.


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When Dhoni burst into scene everyone got excited including me, but you need to wait till they perform against all the teams, all the conditions over period of time .. Only then you can blow the horn to such an extent.Regarding Ajmal, the way you have put it seems like he is already a legend that I don't(or don't intend to) recognise.Let's give some time and see how he fares.We will get to know soon.Frankly I didn't knew that he was a permenant member.Could be because there is so much less cricket with pakistan and second there are so many changes that keep happeing in the team. I have seen enough of Bracken and Gul , I would still welcome Bracken any day.He is accurate,economical and spot on.Gul is good at death but not as consistent always.
Last two years, how the pitches in pakistan have been the whole world know abt it.Everyteam that played in pakistan for last two years just kept piling on runs.Still I would credit him for his triple,I havent seen him score good anywhere outside pakistan.The fact is post Inzi and Mohd Yusuf, Pakistan really do not have anything in batting talent.I have hopes only on Misbah.
Mate where did you find anybody framing aJmal like a legend??? All what we said was that he is good enough to keep the batsmen in check.He is no Saqlain, and nobody said so.

For your remarks about Gul, I repect your opinion, but I am afraid a very few will agree with you over this issue.Bracken is a very good and an intelligent bowler. But the guy struggles to play for the test squad. Probably there is no comparison between the two because they are two different types of bowlers.


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