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    Posted: 11 December 2011 at 8:17am
It's going to be a fantastic summer of cricket, with India touring Australia this summer!

The make up of the Indian side has been made clear, and the fast bowling attack is very worrying, while the Indians will be missing the expertise of Anil Kumble - who has always been a handful!

Watson and Marsh will be welcome inclusions for Boxing Day, while we might see Harris and Cummins back. Thus , India may be facing a full strength Australian side.

Australia's far superior pace attack, and the emergence of Lyon will prove to be a challenge to the ageing Indian batting line up. And I think with Watson and Marsh back the Australian batting line up will be able to combat the mediocre fast bowlers of India. I also think Ashwin's finger spin, as with most overseas offies, will not be particularly useful.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 December 2011 at 9:17am
Shewag,Gambhir,Dravid,Tendulkar,Laxman,Rohit,Dhoni,Ashwin,Zak,Ishant & Umesh
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 December 2011 at 9:39am
The key for India is for Zaheer and Ishant to hit their straps. If they play close to their best, then India are a very good shot at taking out the series. I'll be interested to see how Laxman and Gambhir perform, I think those two guys haven't performed as well of late as they normally do.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 December 2011 at 10:13am

Frankly except RD of late , others have not performed to the level they are expected to in Tests.

Ever since NZ's tour of India last Nov '10, Indian batting line up has suffered loss of form as a collective unit, there were many instances where lower order had bailed them out.I hope it is the time for all the guys to come good.Infact they should be very good to pose any sort of challenge.
 
Harris,Pattinson,Cummins and Lyon is a very good bowling lineup. I like this guy "Pattinson", I suspect he has a great career like McGrath (Ya, I am overstating too much , but I feel he among all the youngsters is a real deal for Australian future). His line and length is fanstastic. He looks very much like one of the current english bowlers (as he has some english connection).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 December 2011 at 10:17am
James' parents came to Australia from England 5 years before he was born. But I don't think he has played any cricket in England or anything like that. Not sure what you mean by 'English connection'. If someone spoke about English connection with regard to fast bowlers 5 years ago they would have laughed. England have come a long way with their fast bowlers and I reckon Australia is catching up, fast.

Pattinson's pace is very promising too, hitting 150kph on occasion and I think he's actually faster than Cummins. Should be a dangerous combination and Harris, when fit, almost always gets wickets. Siddle has also been a great spearhead this series and he has impressed be immensely! Bollinger is also in the wings, Cutting and Starc aren't far off and Copeland is still around. What about Hilfenhaus? Can't complain at the moment with fast bowling stocks.

I agree with Raj, India's batting, especially in England, has been many pegs below what they're capable of. Gambhir, Laxman have good records against Australia and so do Dravid and Sachin. Should be an interesting series. I think India will either capitulate or win. Have a feeling it won't be a close series and one team with dominate most of the games.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 December 2011 at 10:33am

Maybe becasue I knew his parents migrated from England to Australia, but somehow he looked English to me among Aussie lot. It was just a superficial comment , not to be taken seriously.

Mikey England bowlers have been good/decent from 2004 , but they often broke down or lacked the seriousness at times or maybe you were comparing those English bowlers to "McGrath,Lee,Gillispie and Warne" combination - which happens once in a lifetime.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 December 2011 at 12:28pm
5 years is a poor comment, more like 10. Sorry.

Most of the Australian team probably have some English origins. Besides Jason Gillespie and Dan Christian (who are both only partly Aboriginal), basically everyone in the Australian side is not indigenous to Australia.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 December 2011 at 6:00pm
Mikey, I expect Lyon to be treated no different than what Hogg, MacGill, Krejza faced recently.

Aussies best bet is to get pitches like what they had in Brisbane and now at Hobart.  A typical Melbourne, Sydney, Adelaide, Perth deck like the last decade, then India will more than compete. 

I expect both sides bowlers to take a hammering at Adelaide!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 December 2011 at 9:34am
Spin I agree to an extent, but only if the Indian batsmen bat to their potential, not like they did in England.

India must be spewing Praveen Kumar is injured. His medium pace swing is what has been undoing Australia of late, just ask Bracewell and Philander....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 December 2011 at 5:42pm
England and Australia is much different mate.  The bounce is Aussies is more true with less all day swing, typically.  Places like Gabba will put India in a lot of trouble, but luckily for them, they're always playing in Adelaide, Sydney etc, due to Aussies first season test always at the Brisbane, and India usually playing the 2nd leg.

And yea, I do agree, Kumar is a big loss.  I too don't expect Ashwin to make much of an impact.  Off spinners can't thrive in Australia due to the bounce.  Batsmen can easily play you off the back foot, which I find that's what Aussies basically have done to Murali, Swann, Harbhajan etc in Australia, with no fear of getting LBW.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 December 2011 at 6:43pm
after Australia's defeat to NZL today I must say India will fancy their chances, however I think given the Australian conditions the NZL attack was better than India's although India's batting will be far more superior to that of the Kiwi's. 

This should be a hard fought series, I do not see a complete domination of any one side, I see this as a close contest and I would just edge it in favor of Australia. 2-1 to Australia is my prediction. AUS winning at Melbourne and Perth, India winning at Sydney and a high scoring draw at Adelaide.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 December 2011 at 6:49pm
I agree completely sam, 2-1 to AUS sounds about right. India's betting is better than Australia's but Australia's bowling is superior to India's. At the end of the day, I just can't see India's bowling causing the Aussie batsmen too many problems. Australia's pace attack is really developing nicely in the absence of Johnson and will trouble the Indians if conditions are favourable. Despite the problems Australia have been having, I still make them favourites. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 December 2011 at 7:01pm
Another reason is India's aged batting line up BP, we saw that in ENG that they failed to cross 300 even once, now that to me was quite shocking. Against WI at Home it was covered up to some extent but even in the WI series India's batting collapsed on more than one occasion.

This Indian batting is no longer the one that used to score 400-500 on 4 out of every 5 innings, Instead they have become a team that scores 400-500 once in every 5 innings. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 December 2011 at 7:13pm
Originally posted by sam_ahmed

after Australia's defeat to NZL today I must say India will fancy their chances,
Sam , India does not need any other team's good performance over Aussies to fancy their chances.
 
They were probably the only team to show grit and determination down under, even when Aussies were a force in Tests. 
 
The fight that India face is injuries to key players & form of batsman , that is the only worry.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 December 2011 at 7:15pm
Sehwag and Sachi bhai wasn't in the caribbean Sam.  Aussies will be much more easier territory for the Indians.

Simply put, I just fancy any team to beat this current Aussie side.  Luckily they found Warner, so someone else to help score runs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 December 2011 at 7:26pm
Raj in Wonderland Wink.........4-0 if Indians stay fit and all of them victory by an innings ... is what I wish for.
 
- Rohit sharma gets a look in , scores 4 centuries which includes one big double century.
- Another Man of Series to Rohit Sharma
- One triple ton to Gambhir
- Sachin,Shewag and Gambhir  2/3  centuries each
- Dhoni,Lax and RD 1/2 centuries and 2-3 80/90's
- Umesh to get a Hat-trick to clean up tail
- Ishant and Ashwin to get 2 qucik 5'fers
- Zak,Ishant,Umesh and Ashwin to equall share all the 80 wickets.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 December 2011 at 7:28pm

Now I sign off as a good omen till the end of Aussie tour , so that above wish comes true!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 December 2011 at 7:39pm
Raj, all i'll say is that you've been smoking before that post!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 December 2011 at 7:16am
Smoking? Has to be something else for sure. Although, 4-0 could still become a reality to be honest
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 December 2011 at 8:43am
If anyone wins 4-0, it will be Australia. I just can't see how you guys are neglecting India's terrible bowling attack. Australia may be in a bad run of form but they couldn't come across an easier attack to score off unless they were playing Bangladesh. If India are to win the series, they will have to pile on some massive scores to give their bowlers adequate runs to play with. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 December 2011 at 10:19am
Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84

The fight that India face is injuries to key players & form of batsman , that is the only worry.
Key players? which key player is injured? apart from Zaheer Khan everyone else is fit and if any team that has injuries problem its Australia not INDIA!!


Edited by mystery - 13 December 2011 at 10:20am
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Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84

Raj in Wonderland Wink.........4-0 if Indians stay fit and all of them victory by an innings ... is what I wish for.
 
- Rohit sharma gets a look in , scores 4 centuries which includes one big double century.
- Another Man of Series to Rohit Sharma
- One triple ton to Gambhir
- Sachin,Shewag and Gambhir  2/3  centuries each
- Dhoni,Lax and RD 1/2 centuries and 2-3 80/90's
- Umesh to get a Hat-trick to clean up tail
- Ishant and Ashwin to get 2 qucik 5'fers
- Zak,Ishant,Umesh and Ashwin to equall share all the 80 wickets.


Even if Rohit makes a 50 he would be very very lucky and i really really hope Kohli gets injured so Rohit can play ahead of him and gets 8 ducks in a row and that too golden ducksLOL
and if Watson and Marsh gets back India would struggle to get 20 wickets.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 December 2011 at 10:27am
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If anyone wins 4-0, it will be Australia. I just can't see how you guys are neglecting India's terrible bowling attack. Australia may be in a bad run of form but they couldn't come across an easier attack to score off unless they were playing Bangladesh. If India are to win the series, they will have to pile on some massive scores to give their bowlers adequate runs to play with. 

I agree BP and this is the perfect time for Ponting to get back in form against this attack.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 December 2011 at 11:15am
Even if Zaheer Khan is fit, I don't think he'd cause that much damage - he has no match practice and we saw how easily Australia dealt with Steyn. The issue for Australia are those dibbly dobbler medium seam/swing bowlers. Praveen would have been a decent choice.

Australia's strength is it's bowling and I'm going to go on a limb and say they have one of the best attacks in the world - Harris, Pattinson, Cummins, Siddle and Lyon will be a handful!

If Australia can consistently find runs, which they haven't of late then India has no chance.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 December 2011 at 11:43am
Milky are you sure Cummins is fit? i saw in the news that he is out till Feb i might be wrong.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 December 2011 at 12:07pm
I think Cummins is extremely unlikely for the first two Tests. Mikey - how did Australia negotiate Steyn easily? Aside from the last innings of the second Test, he had fantastic figures in all the other three innings and could have had more wickets if all the catches were taken. He was causing the Aussies problems, albeit not as much as Philander. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 December 2011 at 2:26pm
That's why I added Siddle to the list, you'll see I mentioned 4 fast bowlers and Lyon.

I was more referring to the 4th innings in the last test when Australia won, Steyn was basically useless and I think Australia was able to dent his effectiveness. Except for that wicket he got near the end, he almost ended the innings wicketless, which would have been rather rare for him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 December 2011 at 3:00pm
Zaheer Khan is more skillful that Steyn Mikey.  With Steyn, its basically late outswing.  With Zaheer, its both swing and reverse swing.  No team has found Zaheer easy to play for the last few years.  Lack of match fitness will be the only thing in Aussies favour as far as facing him is concerned.
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Originally posted by spin wizard

Sehwag and Sachi bhai wasn't in the caribbean Sam.  Aussies will be much more easier territory for the Indians.

Simply put, I just fancy any team to beat this current Aussie side.  Luckily they found Warner, so someone else to help score runs.

I don't agree that AUS will be easier territory spinny, India have never really won a series in AUS since I don't know when. AUS might be a little weak at the moment but still are favorites to win at home against this Indian side that has very weak bowling options and an aged batting line up. If you see the series against ENG, India couldn't score runs, they couldn't take wickets, they struggled big time, I don't know how they can turn it all around in Australia.

The reason why I think India will win a test is because AUS have their own weak links in batting and bowling (a very inexperienced bowling against the most experienced batting perhaps in history of the game) and again experience of these players, despite their old age may help them win a test.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 December 2011 at 7:22pm
Mikey - that's just one innings. I don't see how on the basis of an isolated case, you can conclude that Steyn was dealt with easily and therefore, Zaheer shouldn't cause too many problems. I agree that Zaheer won't be that effective but Steyn's performance in one solitary innings against the Aussies has nothing to do with it.

spinny - Are you honestly trying to say that Zaheer is a better bowler than Steyn? OK, Zaheer swings it both ways but that doesn't necessarily mean he is going to be more effective than Steyn. Outstanding, fast late out-swing is a lot harder to play than not so outstanding, not so fast swing both ways from a bowler who is short of match practice. Steyn is far better than Zaheer and it's not even close.


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