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    Posted: 18 December 2008 at 12:18pm
I don't know how either team missed out on getting 400+!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2008 at 12:23pm
Isn't that the beauty of cricket blades?  Who's to say Boucher won't smash a quick 50 tomorrow and reduce the deficit to less than 100 ?

   That's why it's the greatest game !


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2008 at 1:18pm
Originally posted by Roscoe

I'm finding Test cricket a lot more enjoyable to watch now that the teams are more evenly matched.
 
Originally posted by Sledger

That's why it's the greatest game !
 
I couldn't agree more on both quotes!!
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2008 at 1:20pm
I haven't seen a ball bowled in this test (haven't found highlights as yet) so I don't know how well just is doing but I know he gets wicket with poor deliveries at times and bowl quite a few loose balls but he still picks up wickets.  He only angles the ball across the righties.
 
I guess this just goes to show that if you don't swing the ball or move it off the deck, express pace will do the trick.  Mitchell Johnson is a really quick bowler.  The one time I saw him live from the stadium, his pace was really impressive - very quick through the air!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2008 at 1:27pm
He is sharp SW , but his secret weapon is being a leftie - the batters don't like it!    I'd say that Zaheer Khan is still a better bowler than Johnson , but Johnson's going to improve and Khan's probably at the top of his game right now.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2008 at 1:43pm
Khan is very skillful indeed and he's one of the best around at the moment.  If Johnson can only swing that ball back into right handers at that pace, he'll be a much bigger threat.
 
Cricket is a funny game, left handers love the ball going across them but the right handers don't seem to handle it that well.  Same as a righty doesn't mind it coming into them as they whip it across the line but left handers don't really fancy guys coming around the wicket and bowling into them.  I guess it all comes down to the way you learn the game - not much guys face left arm bowling growing up and right arm bowlers bowling around the wicket!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2008 at 2:52pm
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I haven't seen a ball bowled in this test (haven't found highlights as yet)


Found some: http://www.cricketworld.com/south_africa_in_australia/article/?aid=18522

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2008 at 3:07pm
Mitchell Johnson - has become a gun
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2008 at 5:03pm
Good stuff JP.  Mitchell Johnson seemed a bit more round arm than the last time I saw him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2008 at 6:54pm
Damn, johnson turned it around big time, but i'm still hopeful about RSA winning this series.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2008 at 9:12pm
The ball has done absolutely nothing in this test, a part from a little reverse swing toward the end of yesterday. Sledge is right about Johnson having that advantage being a lefthander, but as you say SW if he is able to swing the ball back into the right hander and subsequently away from the left-hander he will be a real threat.

This spell may be all Johnson needs to find consistency is his often erratic form.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2008 at 11:11pm
Any left hander worth his salt can swing it into the right hander, it is moving it away that is the trick
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 December 2008 at 12:55am
Originally posted by spin wizard

Good stuff JP.  Mitchell Johnson seemed a bit more round arm than the last time I saw him.
 
I don't think he's anymore round arm since I last watched him bowl but his action's become more slingy I think, but I've never looked over his action in massive detail.
 
Time for a bit of analysis I reckon:
 
If you watch the way he draws his arm back and brings it through, it's quite comparable to Jeff Thompson's or Shaun Tait's arm actions, just not as pronounced as his 2 fellow Aussie's. He also crosses his legs slightly in his bound, something that Thompson was known for, again Johnson's is nowhere near as pronounced as Thompson's.
 
Actual delivery itself:
If you look at the close up clips (the replays) in the highlights JP put up, most of his deliveries are bowled with what looks like a leg cutter action, just higer revs than a normal leg cutter. This I think is what gives him a bigger advantage over the right handers, as he's using the cut off the pitch to exaggerate the angle accross them, making it hard to play down the right line. It's something that India will deal with better than most as they have more left arm seamers than anybody, so they can work on strategies for it (they tended to bat well outside their crease to intercept the angle). I'd look at late cuts as viable scoring shots off him, whereas pulling the ball and whipping it through midwicket would be very high risk shots to play.
For the lefties this same cutter action could/would cause them to drag it back onto the stumps, especially those who like to cut the ball. I think that Cook and Strauss could be prime targets for Johnson in the next Ashes if they're not careful. Lots of pitches will allow the ball to cut off them which means they should take serious caution playing the cut shot, or even the cover drive, against him. More viable scoring shots off of him would be the opposite of the right handers. Lefties should be looking to knock the ball through the midwicket region, something some lefties find hard to do when left armers (or right armers round the wicket) are bowling 
 
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If Johnson learns to cut the ball the other way with the same revolutions as his normal action, or learns to swing the ball then we could be in for an absolute nightmare as his action doesn't seem prone to injuries (except the usual foot/ankle/hamstring injuries the quick men can be prone to). This should mean a long career for Johnson, as long as he doesn't do serious harm to his shoulder.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 December 2008 at 4:59am
Very impressive analysis Tykey!  Johnson does have a slingy action , but not quite as exaggerated as that of Thommo. Remember Thommo's left arm was beyond the verticle before he came through , he was quite some sight!

  Back to the cricket , SA all out for 281 , Boucher caught by Katich off Siddle for 26 ending the innings. Siddle bowled very well in only his 2nd test and deserved at least one wicket.  Johnson removed Steyn to end with 8-61 off 24 overs , a remarkable effort and something I don't think he'll better in his entire career.  The end of the SA innings was a muddled brainless affair. Boucher refused countless singles to protect Ntini. I've seen Ntini clear the fence on a number of occasions , he's not the worst number 11 in world cricket.  Obviously if this was the 4th innings , then trying to keep strike makes a lot of sense , but here it just cost the visitors runs.  That it was Boucher who was dismissed makes the plan even sillier.
          Talking of silly , Aleem Dar's decision to send Hayden back just has to be one of the worst of 2008. Adjudging him caught and bowled by Steyn was comical unless you happened to be Australian or worse still , Hayden. It matters little at this stage as Australia are 45-1 at lunch with Katich looking rock solid and Ponting ominously fluent on his 34th birthday.
       That's a healthy lead of 139 , the pitch is flat and I expect Australia to go well past their 1st innings effort of 375.  It'll take something special from the visitors to go into the 2nd test on level terms.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 December 2008 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by The Tyke

most of his deliveries are bowled with what looks like a leg cutter action, just higer revs than a normal leg cutter.
 
Exactly why he'll be more successful in the sub continent than most other Aussie bowlers as we've seen recently.  Their pitches grip!  I think the reason he doesn't get the swing is because the seam isn't straight up (he bowls it a bit slanted) and it isn't a perfect position (his scrambles a bit) too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2008 at 12:18pm
Match in a very interesting state. Difficult to say who would win from here. But my guess would be Australia.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2008 at 5:32pm
What a thriller this is turnining out to be!!! plain and simple, I want RSA to win... Go Proteas Go!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2008 at 9:40pm
You and many others sam!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2008 at 12:10am
South Africa require another 187 runs with 7 wickets remaining on the last day can they do it I hope so
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2008 at 2:35am
I think the Aussies still have the upperhand if they bowl well this morning. Unlike Australia, SA has a tail and with Johnson and Lee bowling the way they are I can't see them chasing down the required runs without Kallis or de Villiers in the middle.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2008 at 6:15am
Devillers is still there, and they are doing in pretty well... WOW this could be the second instance in this week where a total of over 380 gets chased down in the fourth innings!!! Many thought test cricket was on it's death bed, i'd say it's rising now to a new level!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2008 at 7:29am
Awful performance from SA to say the least. However the pitch maybe, to chase down 400+ in the 4th innings is not an easy job. Requires lot of mental toughness.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2008 at 12:01pm

what a victory for Graeme Smith and his men!!! don't have words to describe really, very similar to IND's victory over ENG at chennai just 5 days ago!

This probably confirms it really, after what happened in IND and now at their home turf against RSA, the australian era of dominance is well and truely over!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2008 at 12:31pm
Originally posted by kirankri

Awful performance from SA to say the least.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2008 at 3:34pm
Terrible, I mean losing four wickets and not winning the match with a day to spare - what were they doing?!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2008 at 3:46pm
Please JP tell me that i was dreaming about Australia losing and Australia have won please!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2008 at 3:52pm
 
His post was made before the final day started I think, he was talking about SA allowing the aussies tail to add more runs than they should have I believe.
 
Very good chase but the aussies didn't ask many questions of them, krezja was exsposed again and Ponting seemed to let things drift, not trying to make somthing happen. I expect some changes for the 2nd test.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2008 at 3:57pm
Hayden might be one of those 143, it's a long time he's been rusty!  How is Jacques doing in state cricket?
 
Anyhow, big win for SA.  To be honest, I didn't expect this from them as I've known them to choke big time against the Aussies.  As I said when I started this thread, De Villers was my key man with the bat!  An exhilarating player he is!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2008 at 3:57pm
SA were about an hour away from the win when he posted.

Hauritz was in the wickets for NSW - is he the man 143, or will Watson come back into the side?

South Africa have decision to make as well - do they leave out Duminy after that innings if Prince is fit, and if Prince must come back, does Duminy open with McKenzie making way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2008 at 4:12pm
I am sure I read his post this morning before it started, maybe I dreampt it. Kiran is pretty knowledgable on his cricket so maybe he just mixed the teams up.
 
No, won't be Hauritz, Krazy will probably get another test because there is simply not much else around. Siddle will go, Lee is under pressure, he hasn't performed for a while and I think there are problems still with him and Ponting. Watson could only really swap with Symonds, he wouldn't be a danger with his bowling and I don't think he bats better than symonds. Nannes from Vic is my smokey, Hilfenhouse is also a chance. The batsmen are also under pressure, Ponting seems to think it's more the bowling that is the problem but the top order has been faultering for a while and the big totals have been lacking.  I am not a fan of Neilson either, he talks too much and he comes across as Pontings puppet, not a leader of the team.
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