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    Posted: 21 December 2008 at 4:21pm
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Hayden might be one of those 143, it's a long time he's been rusty!  How is Jacques doing in state cricket?
 
Anyhow, big win for SA.  To be honest, I didn't expect this from them as I've known them to choke big time against the Aussies.  As I said when I started this thread, De Villers was my key man with the bat!  An exhilarating player he is!
 
Jacques has been injured since the start of the Indian tour, I think he has either just come back or be just about to. Hayden has had some bad luck and a few low scores and he is trying to force it, the harder he trys the harder it gets, I would give him 2 more tests.  The main issue with the batting is they can't all fire together, only 1 of the top 4 seems to be getting a decent score and the other 3 fail and then it's the lower order getting them out of trouble.
 
On the match, I still can't beleive Johnson go the mom, terrific figures but the SA skipper or AB with tons that got their team home should have got it.
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Awful performance from SA to say the least.


What??


He meant AWESOME, Bondy.
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Hayden has got far too many bad decisions and you've got to take that into consideration. I'd love to see him play atleast till the Ashes next year.
 
Bowling is serious problem for australia. they need to find a decent spinner, some where or the other. siddle is not good enough, and i wonder what is the need to think so hard about this, shaun Tait is ready, why is he not playing??? i still remember his devastation in WC 2007, and thats not a joke.
 
Watson will have to wait, there is no way he should be replacing Symonds. However, for this particular match i'd have gone in with watson ahead of siddle any day. watson is a better bowler and also an allrounder. i wonder why that all rounder tag should keep you out of the team? He should have played ahead of siddle in this game, moreover this was watson's home ground, if i'm not mistaken.


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Is that Dirk Nannes, who has looked pretty ordinary in county cricket here, or someone with the same name?
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Originally posted by sam_ahmed

... shaun Tait is ready, why is he not playing??? i still remember his devastation in WC 2007, and thats not a joke
 
ODI Cricket and Test Cricket is a big difference.  Remember, Bracken and McGrath kept things in check so guys had to go after Tait if they wanted runs.  In Test Cricket, they'd just try to put away the bad ones.  Tait however is dangerous with that old ball.  With is express pace, any lil hint of reverse is danger!
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Hayden and Ponting will score runs this series. They have too much class - much like Dravid - to stay in a prolonged form slump. In the bowling department I'd like to see Hilfenhaus get a go, or perhaps Bollinger who has been waiting in the wings a while.

I agree with 143 about Ponting's captaincy. He doesn't make things happen, nor does Smith to a certain extent either. The fielding placings Ponting used were too defensive and his apparent rift with Lee is not helping. With Lee taking wickets Australia would have won the test.

I'm hoping Australia win the boxing day test because I'm going to the test at the SCG and a 1-1 scoreline would make it well worth my appearance.
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Originally posted by Clobber

Originally posted by 143no

Nannes from Vic is my smokey


Is that Dirk Nannes, who has looked pretty ordinary in county cricket here, or someone with the same name?
 
Thas him, he has been a late bloomer but the last 12 months he has been pretty good. Has a nice streak of nasty in him.
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Originally posted by spin wizard

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... shaun Tait is ready, why is he not playing??? i still remember his devastation in WC 2007, and thats not a joke
 
ODI Cricket and Test Cricket is a big difference.  Remember, Bracken and McGrath kept things in check so guys had to go after Tait if they wanted runs.  In Test Cricket, they'd just try to put away the bad ones.  Tait however is dangerous with that old ball.  With is express pace, any lil hint of reverse is danger!
 
He isn't playing the 4 day game here, only domestic 1 dayers. he is being viewed as an ODI bowler only at the moment because of his fragility.


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Well I was wrong about hauritz he has come back in for krezja, and Hilfenhaus in the 13 along with Watson.
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Originally posted by bondy

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Awful performance from SA to say the least.


What??
Oh my God. Had typed SA instead of AUS. Had to work full night in the office and posted this next day. So the effect was seen Smile.
 
Was expecting Aus to win especially after SA lost 3 wickets on the 4th day. Excellent effort from the South Africans.
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Originally posted by Lain

He meant AWESOME, Bondy.
Reminds me of Monkey / Maa-ki incident Wink
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How strange the game of cricket is when Australia were playing so well no team was even close to them SA were ordinary they did not have a attack of this quality that they have rite now and Indians were also not doing anything special and Sri Lankans were struggling now when Australia have started to struggles other teams have found some match winners SA has Steyn,Morkel and Indian have found Young Ishant who is doing a superb job and SL has Mendis the Magic man and Even England has a quality lineup so its not that Australia are doing so badly its other teams who are also getting better.
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Not really that, just that it's hard to replace the legendary trio of Gilly, Warne and McGrath!  So, Aussie won't be performing as they were with those three.
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In my view, AUS still have the best batting line up in the world. They need good bowlers and they need them badly. one decent spinner and they can bounce back.
 
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On paper the Australian's probably do have the best line-up or at least similar to that of India and SA. In terms of form however, the Australian's are missing the usual reliability of their top order which would at least allow them to draw tests.

Their bowling, captaincy and field placings were below par in throughout the first test and without the magic of Johnson in the first innings Australia would have been well beaten.
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Their bowling, captaincy and field placings were below par in throughout the first test
That's absolutely right Bondy. Captaincy was below par. It is a true test of Character and captaincy skills for Ponting now and I am afraid, he hasn't impressed me in recent times. Not sure how far the news is true, but I saw in newspaper today that, he has blamed the WACA pitch for the defeat. Not what we expect from an Australian captain.
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How can he possibly blame the pitch when both teams have had to play on it? The problem with Australia is that they're so used to winning. In the past Ponting has been able to call on McGrath or Warne to break through the key partnerships and in latter times, Lee.

I wonder how much more of an impact Stuart Clark would have made. He's consistent in line and length and has the ability to move the ball off the pitch when the conditions are less than suitable. The South African's said they respected Clark the most before this series and without him they must stongly believe they can withstand anything the Aussies throw at them.
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The pitches at the WACA deserve to be criticised. You would expect them to produce draws most of the time in their current state. A 400-run lead sounds like a lot, but the locals, such as Justin Langer, were saying at the time that South Africa could definitely get it. The Australian batsmen are at fault to a large degree for not setting an even higher total.
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Really? That's interesting...

I remember a couple of years back a lot of discussion from Oz about the state of their pitches. It appeared that there was a bit of concern that each ground was losing its individual pitch character and being replaced by a pretty bland conformity.

To their credit, they were actively doing something about it and, if memory serves, starting a nation-wide hunt for the right sort of soil for producing exciting and varied pitches. In stark contrast, it could be said, to the English acceptance of dull Surrey loam everywhere.
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A lot of Australian pitches are good for batting.  Brisbane's got help for pacers but get in and runs could be on offer with the pace and bounce, especially if you aren't facing swing bowlers.  Adelaide, Sydney, Hobart are all good for batting too.  Pitches that are quick and bouncy like Perth will always be good for batting on day 3-5 because some pace will still be in it and the bounce will lower from high to even bounce.
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Well, Ponting leading from the front with a fighting 101 off just 126 balls. Doesn't appear to have had much support though and the Aussies finish on 280-6 which I guess just about makes it South Africa's day.
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A good thing Aussie doesn't have Shane Warne in their line up because SA could have kissed this game goodbye.  The pitch looks one where a spinner who can turn the ball will be a handful.  Looks pretty dry!
 
Steyn bowled poorly with the new ball but came back with a good over before lunch.  Morkel was shambolic as well but they seem to have came back well.
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Ponting was superb today, but RSA still have the edge. things could go from bad to worse for AUS. The series could be decided in 4 days time!!! do the aussies have it in them to pull this off???
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RSA in real trouble now... Peter Siddle was superb today, he looked all pumped up... brilliant spell of bowling from him. AUS should definately win this from here on. but i still believe that the series will go to RSA.
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A half century by Dale Steyn and South Africa are right back in this.
 
This tail is really wagging and Australia are in serious trouble.
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It took AUS one day to get those last 3 south african wickets... God this is unbelieveable, from 190/7, RSA have reached 459!!!
 
AUS can only draw this from here on, and they seriously need to re look at their bowling options, coz if they can't even perform on their home turf, they won't be performing anywhere.
 
Having said all that, what a magnificient knock by JP Duminy!!!Clap this kid has got loads of talent... Now what do the selectors do once Prince is fit???
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166 runs, almost all of them scored with numbers 8-11 at the other end and at a pivotal moment in an important series. Absolutely stunning stuff.

Anyone else noticing we're in the middle of a little classic of a Test Cricket winter?
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I guess now everyone can see why Sledger has been raving about Duminy for quite some time.

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That was stunning batting by Duminy and was ably supported by Dale Steyn and the sloppy Aussie fielding. I just loved Ponting's look of agony and despair. Duminy looked calm, composed and elegant. He played a very mature innings for a guy playing his second test match.

Hauritz and Siddle bowled well but Australia would have loved to have Warne down onto the ground from the comm box. The match is still evenly poised for me but SA have the slight psychological advantage.

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Watson will have to wait, there is no way he should be replacing Symonds.
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