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    Posted: 07 July 2008 at 5:56am
 A good point there about Edwards 143 - his demeanor doesn't change whether he's going for plenty or he's bowling wicket maidens.  I like to see bowlers looking hurt when they've travelled around the park - not players who shrug off a hiding.
         There's a couple of players in the Windies set up who seem satisfied to rake in the shekels in a losing cause - maybe their payment structure needs redefining - pay them a basic (and I mean basic) wage and nice incentives for winning.
          It's not only the West Indians who have players in comfort zones either , I'm not entirely happy with some of the Englishmen either!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2008 at 7:28am
You are right 143no. India-Aus series in India should be an interesting series. Lot of unknown entities there. How will the Aussie team players playing in India for the first time perform? Are the already aged 4-5 Indian players still capable of a decent performance?
Should be interesting.
W.r.t WI-AUS series, specially in ODIs, WI would find it hard to match the top 3-4 teams.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2008 at 12:55pm

Oh dear... If I may say so, A 5-0 whitewash in favour of Australia. Despite the fact that many great Australian players have left the side in the last 2 years, Thay are now beggining to dominate cricket again. The inpressive performance from Luke Rhonki and David Hussy, The tow new players, Just tells it all.

It's Ponting, Thats why, He's always inproving as a captian, And the new players in the team are playing thnominal cricket, The Aussies should only inprove now.Cry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2008 at 1:15pm
 Colly Australia are the World Champions , so they can hardly be beginning to dominate cricket again.  Don't get carried away with this series - if they beat SA 5-0 later this year , then you can start shouting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2008 at 3:19pm
143, i dont agree with you @ all about Fidel Edwards being one of the worst bowlers on the international circuit....Mitchell Johnson, yes he did pick up a 5-for yesterday, but overall in both test and ODI's during this tour has been poor and that was indeed highlighted by Ponting during the tour.

Fidel was to me the most threatening bowler during the series but 4 some reason just could not get it 2gether during the ODI's. But by far he was the most threatening bowler during the tests havin batsmen ducking here and there. The bowler who was below par also was Daren Powell.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2008 at 3:22pm
Spin wizard u hit the nail right on the head....The batting has indeed let us down throughout this Australian series. But listen, injuries really just messed us up man. Totally. I am looking forward 2 seeing Nikita Miller and Sulieman Benn continuing to play for the regional side.

Gayle now needs to get himself fit along with Sarwan, Shiv and Taylor. John Dyson to me now should know what the team needs and let us see what the rest of the year has in store for us.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2008 at 4:09pm
Well, in a way 143 is right, the bowling did mess up a bit at times but the batting failed in all the games, except the 4th ODI!
 
And Colly, don't get to hyped up about a 5-0 whitewash to this windies team.  This Aussie team can't compare to the one a few years ago and I'll say it again, whichever side see's out Lee and Clark in the tests will have the Aussies in trouble cause I just can't see the likes of White and Casson running through a sides batting attack and Mitchell Johnson was poor on this tour.  Their batting is alright though!  Call me nuts, but I expect India to beat Aussies in the tests if they have their full strength squad!
 
About Edwards yesterday, you just got to blame it on the captain/coach.  That's what happens when you go in with a specialist bowler short - if someone is going for a lot, he'll still have to bowl!  Anyhow, as Lewy said, he was threatening in the tests but he got beat around in the ODI's.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2008 at 5:21pm

I disagree with you SW If Aussies cant get India out than dont expect Indians to get Aussies out. Johnson is still young and if he does not perform well then there are alot of bowlers waiting for chances like Hilfenhaus, Noffke and many more. Can you tell me one attack other than SA who is better than Australia?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2008 at 5:31pm
Mystery, do you have a clue about the sub continent??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 July 2008 at 12:42am
I can't agree with you Mystery.
With what I saw of the indian reserves during the IPL it shouldn't be hard to replace their top 5 if they needed to.
And about the indian attack,you have a very dangerous attack there:
Irfan Pathan,Ishant Sharma,RP Singh,Piyush Chawla,Anil Kumble and Zaheer Khan.
I can't think of any others now but I'm sure there are more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 July 2008 at 1:48am
Originally posted by bladescape

I can't agree with you Mystery.
With what I saw of the indian reserves during the IPL it shouldn't be hard to replace their top 5 if they needed to.
And about the indian attack,you have a very dangerous attack there:
Irfan Pathan,Ishant Sharma,RP Singh,Piyush Chawla,Anil Kumble and Zaheer Khan.
I can't think of any others now but I'm sure there are more.
IPL is one thing and Test is another thing. I dont think Pathan,Piyush or Ishant are dangerous. Anywayz the best thing is to wait till the series than we can talk about who is better who is not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 July 2008 at 4:07am
Ishant has already proved himself at test level and the same with Pathan,Piyush is the only player you just mentioned who hasn't played at test level.
And this time i do agree with you we should leave it until it comes around.
I'll be waiting .

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 July 2008 at 6:45am
Originally posted by mystery

I disagree with you SW If Aussies cant get India out than dont expect Indians to get Aussies out. Johnson is still young and if he does not perform well then there are alot of bowlers waiting for chances like Hilfenhaus, Noffke and many more. Can you tell me one attack other than SA who is better than Australia?

 
The English attack could well be with the return of Flintoff and Jones and an ever-improving Monty - and then there's Sidebottom who would make any test side in the world at the moment.
Good one Graham!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 July 2008 at 4:29pm
Originally posted by mystery

I dont think Pathan,Piyush or Ishant are dangerous
Mystery, you've bamboozled me! Confused Anyhow, don't forget the spin factor in the sub continent mate!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 July 2008 at 4:57pm
Originally posted by mystery

I disagree with you SW If Aussies cant get India out than dont expect Indians to get Aussies out. Johnson is still young and if he does not perform well then there are alot of bowlers waiting for chances like Hilfenhaus, Noffke and many more. Can you tell me one attack other than SA who is better than Australia?

on subcontinental pitches Srilanka can claim to have the best attack presently, South Africa has a better or atleast equallly good attack anywhere in the world, ....well with kumble and Harbhajan Indian attack could also be termed better on spinning pitches......and England are  not any worse in their full strength when playing home or in Australia .......Pakistans fast bowlers often have been entangled in their own disputes or they would have been good ....apparantly ..Australia cant claim to have the best bowling side.
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