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    Posted: 09 July 2009 at 9:52am
Already a lot of discussion has taken place on this series, thanks to the row between WICB and the players. I think it'll be much better to discuss the series in a seperate thread.
 
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Fri Jul 3 - Sun Jul 5
10:00 local

Westindies A v Bangladeshis
Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados

Thu Jul 9 - Mon Jul 13
10:00 local

1st Test - West Indies v Bangladesh
Arnos Vale Ground, Kingstown, St Vincent

Fri Jul 17 - Tue Jul 21
10:00 local

2nd Test - West Indies v Bangladesh
National Cricket Stadium, St George's, Grenada

Fri Jul 24
09:30 local

University of West Indies Vice Chancellor's XI v Bangladeshis
Benjamin's Park, Portsmouth, Dominica

Sun Jul 26
09:30 local

1st ODI - West Indies v Bangladesh
Windsor Park, Roseau, Dominica

Tue Jul 28
09:30 local

2nd ODI - West Indies v Bangladesh
Windsor Park, Roseau, Dominica

Fri Jul 31
09:30 local

3rd ODI - West Indies v Bangladesh
Warner Park, Basseterre, St Kitts

Sun Aug 2
14:00 local

Only T20I - West Indies v Bangladesh
Warner Park, Basseterre, St Kitts

 



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who will discuss on the match where the WIN team consists of 9 uncapped players
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Zuhair, only real misses are Gayle, Sarwan, Chanderpaul, Bravo and Edwards.  Taylor form lately has been poor.  Rampaul would have been a handful but there's still a lot of excitement in this pace attack.  I've seen them play and they have the potential to knock out this Bangladesh team.  Pascal can play the role of Edwards, he tries to scare the hell out of batsmen.  Roach is very quick and Mclean has good pace but I think they will play Best for one of them which I won't agree with.  I don't think he's improved much since i last seen him which was a long time ago.
 
Call me nuts but I'm positive this team can polish Bangladesh off.
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we need a thread anyways zhuair...

I have serious doubts spin, BAN are weak but not this weak. I believe they will win this series in what could be a historic one for BAN!!! Not too sure if they'll be happy about it though!

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Surely the fixtures are wrong , the West Indies A side must now consist of the under 14's ?
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Haha, that would have been right had this second string team been chosen before the A team game.  Sometimes things need a clear out when things are going bad, maybe the Windies team needed a clear out of the players and let some young fearless blood take over.  The pace attack bar Best could really impress!

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So what happened between the WICB and the players?
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Well, this is my guess.  A lot of problems is solely on money and they are saying now that they want contracts so that they can get protection if they get injured etc.  Now, I believe the reason the WICB hasn't given any contract as yet is because they are demanding too much money.  For instance, this tour here, the players want about 1.8 million when the Board is only getting 2 million so from a business point of view, the Board surely won't accept that.
 
There were reports that the board was close to bankrupcy at one point but a while after they say they have plenty due to World Cup 2007.  The facts aren't completely because both sides giving different stories but what I explained in the above paragraph seems to be where the problem is coming about. 
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So, the Windies xi has been named and it's Phillips, Richards, Reifer, Dowlin, Walton, Bernard, Sammy, Miller, Austin, Roach and Best.  The bowling will be competent - Sammy and Miller will keep things in check while Roach and Best will have to exploit whatever is there to exploit for fast bowlers because Sammy nor Bernard bowls nothing much over 82 MPH.  Bernard is more there for his batting over the inexperienced Creary and Braithwaite who are teenagers.  I'd had like to see another pacer, more so Pascal to play the edwards role but the pitch has some cracks and I could see the merit in their selection and the deck is really flat.
 
It's a very unbalanced side but that's what happens when you have to choose players last moment to make up a squad so it's 4 batsmen, 3 all rounders (wk included), 2 spinners and 2 seamers.
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Bangladesh off to a steady start before the rains came again.  Still dark where i am, well, not dark but these players nowadays go off for the slightest bit of fading light.  I'm just 10 minutes walk away from the ground.
 
Roach bowled well early up, the deck is quite flat although a bit of pace and bounce but he showed good control.  I don't know why Best is playing, he's still wild and wasted a lot of deliveries although he bowled some decent stuff inbetween. 
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What the skipper's test record? He averages 7 or something with the bat and he is not a bowler.
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What the skipper's test record? He averages 7 or something with the bat and he is not a bowler.


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Bangladesh have told yt another time just why should they be relegated from test playing nations. they are playing a decent club side with a few goo players that is it.
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but zuhair BAN haven't even bowled so far, it is possible that WI might get bowled out for an even lower score.
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I agree with Sam and i think 238 is not a bad total Windies might struggle to even get 200. Roach was really impressive he is a must in Windies team he is better than Powell and Baker. Austin bowled well i think he might do a better job than Ben in test matches.
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My argument is that they should never have posted this low a total. And this 238 is boosted by the lower order contribution. Top batters failed as they usually do against top nations.
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Top batters failed again but i think pitch is not flat it has something for the bowlers. What do you guys think about Roach??

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He seemed decent - certainly better than Powell and company
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I also agree, Roach looks much better than Powell, Baker and Bernard.

Yes, BAN were not impressive but they still have a chance. I think the track wasn't that easy either because of intermittent Rain showers. Shakib, one of my favt players, now holds the key for BAN.

Got to say though that Mortaza is a very fine all rounder. This is not the first time that he has contributed with the bat, he has done it many times before.
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Kemar Roach was very impressive lads.  Saw it all live on Friday and Saturday.  Roach deserved to have had a fifer, just how many times he beat the bat, I can't say!  His pace was wonderful as well, the keeper was very far back for him even on day 3.  He's very quick, as long as he gets the ball on target, he's unplayable because he gets some movement off the deck too.
 
Both teams should be disappointed with their batting, the pitch was an absolute beauty to bat on.  Other than Roach, nobody really extracted anything from the surface to constantly trouble the batsmen.  Bangladesh has a decent trio of pacers here that they can build on, they all bowl at good pace and their debut off spinner wasn't bad but they need to be a bit more mentally tough - anytime the windies batsmen hit over the top, they dropped the field.
 
Finally, West Indies has someone to trouble Ramdin, Walton was very slick behind the stumps, saw him remove the bails for a return throw before I even realised it.  Phillips has a good test Cricket temparament but for the time he was in, he should have dominated more.  And I think Austin is by far a finer bowler than Benn, Bowls with much more flight and can actually turn it.
 
I think a year of Bangladesh playing in County Cricket will do a world of good.  They are a talented bunch and they're more patient in test Cricket when batting.  They need help and I think that would do them really well.
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This side of WI is not even an A team, it's even lower, but  they're playing inspiring cricket. If Bangladesh does not win then there should be serious questions over their standing in test cricket. 
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Yes, the lads on the Windies team showed that they WANT to play for West Indies, their body language showed it although the main team is much more fitter.  Dale Richards is a bajan and those guys love pace so bowling spin early to him is a wonderful move but this guy is very dangerous, fans have been anxious for sometime to see him and Gayle together, not sure how possible that will be but if Dale Richards stays in for a session, it's going to be highly entertaining. 
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There's almost this underlying feeling on my part that this series will brew up more interest in WI cricket , because if the fans notice that there is a lot of talent hidden in FC cricket then we could see an increase in popularity of the game in WI, just like in the 70s and 80s. I really hope so, I love the style of Calypso cricket.
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Yes Milkman, while I was at game Friday and Saturday, the fans there all didn't care if Gayle and Co returns, they say they don't want them back and them fellas real serious.  They rather watch this team here play. 
 
Anyhow, the latest news here is that the WICB has given the striking players until Wednesday to apologize in writing or else it could be adios amigos to them all and playing for the Windies again.  The Board has had enough and they have even gone as far and say they'd even pay school kids to play if they have to.  Players like Roach, Phillips would be picked for the next game as well, according to the board saying performances in these games count so all I can say is that the likes of Barath, Bravo jnr, Simmons, Morton has done themselves nothing good by following Gayle and company.
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sad news that spin. I hope it doesn't happen though. we'd be losing another cricket team like ZIM.

A very fine century by Tamim Iqbal, although none have spoken about him. The kid has got tremendious talent and it;s good to see him doing well for BAN.

looks like the game will be a draw. Impressive stuff though from the young westindians, I expected them to go down but they played with a lot of heart.
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There would be no losing of another team like how Zimbabwe went.  Look, Chanderpaul would be the only big loss to the team in Test Cricket.  Fact is, Gayle and especially Sarwan has underachieved in Test.  Sarwan for his kind of talent should be averaging no less than 45 in Test Cricket.  I'd let Gayle off though because of his lack of footworks, when it swings or seams, he's in danger.
 
Richards is as electric as Gayle, if he bats long today, you'll see that, mind you though, he's no where as big hitting as Gayle is.  I really wouldn't care much if they don't play again, it would do the team a world of good.  I know this team could take a real severe beating against Aussie later this year but at least they could learn from it and get stronger.  The bowling has potential, Roach and Austin has shown from this game that they're good.  Pascal and Mclean should play next game for Miller and Best.  Nevermind though, Edwards will be replacing one of them whenever he's back fit.


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Roach and Austin should play whatever happens. Austin is much better than Benn who cant bat or field and Roach will be a star in future. I hope they play Pascal in the next match so i can see him bowling i love watching new players.
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Pascal is like Edwards mystery, it's a barrage of quick bouncers for your head.  Roach is a great talent, moves the ball at high pace!  Austin is a great nigh****chman too, it's not the first time he's hang around for so long, he's done it a bit in first class cricket.
 
And the good thing about Roach is that he doesn't get carried away and try to constantly bang them in like Powell and others have done.


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oh come on spin, this is too bad to be true. it's not just chanders, they'll surely be missing the likes of Gayle, Sarwan, Bravo, Taylor even Ramdin. I mean this can't happen. there is no way that WICB can kill a cricket team like this. It'll be a disaster for the world of cricket. I wonder what the hell is the ICC there for??? They should step in and solve this. they can't keep watching like this can they???
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So the WICB must persist with a whole bunch of persons who are threaten not to play Cricket for money that they don't really deserve in the first place.  In case you all don't know, West Indies is currently the third highest paid Cricket nation and they are making it seem like they are not getting paid well.  Yes, they haven't been paid for the last couple of tours they've been on but that's not the reason for all of this.
 
If you have a business and guys aren't doing their job well and constantly asking for money and striking, would you keep them?  No one is bigger than the game and quite frankly, had Australian players done this to the board, the board wouldn't have hesitated and done to them something like what Symonds have been going through.  The WICB has offered the guys contract but they haven't signed it because the WIPA has rejected it so why they have no contract is their fault!
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