Bangladesh in West Indies

Anyhow, Bangladesh currently on the verge of getting their first Test win against the Windies.  They need just 4 more wickets and if they do win, it would be their 2nd.  No goodluck to them from me but certainly I'd feel no shame in this loss - it's probably a 3rd string team, a number of second choice players turned down to play.

Steady on Sam , that Windies side can barely be called 1st class!   My take on the current Bangladeshi side hasn't altered after this "historic" victory.

  Now if they'd have lost..... 

Kirankrik, your state side and  every other state side in India and Australia would win convincingly against that BAN side. It truly is a 3rd string WI side - absolutely, no doubt about it. They did well to actually make it a contest. Netherlands and Ireland, and probably Kenya would fancy their chances against that WI side.

Population has lot more disadvantages than advantages Sam. And among the test playing nations, Bangladesh has the third highest population. 5 nations have less than 1/3rd of Bangladesh's population. So why is that a factor?

Originally posted by sam_ahmed I agree sledge, they have not done anything miraculous, but then for a small and poor country like theirs it is an achievement. It's not their fault that a 3rd string WI team has turned up.

 No doubt that Bangladesh is extremely poor Sam and maybe by subcontinental consideration it isn't that big either. The fact remains that their progress has stagnated  , if not regressed.  I get no pleasure out of the  monotonous heavy defeats - I'd be delighted if they became the next Sri Lanka.
           Somehow they've got to produce quicker , bouncier tracks in the country and that way the batsmen would hone their skills to cope with quick bowling. If you look at the two basic skills , batting and bowling , it's the former where they are miles off the pace. Their spinners are decent , their seamers not so bad either , but the batting is generally weak. 

cricket is not only about performances mate. there is a reason why BAN were awarded the test status ahead of Kenya while KEN were a much better team at that moment. the ICC had looked into the interest levels of the people, the amount of money that can be generated etc...

It is easy to sit in developed countries and talk about stripping teams of their test status but in 3rd world countries it's not that easy for these players to reach where they are now neither is it easy for these countries to make rapid progress. BAN people will still turn up in numbers just to watch their team play no matter how badly they lose, they have that passion for the game and these are the things that cricket needs.

I NEVER said they did something great, I only said we need to appreciate whatever success they get as this is they only way these small teams can progress and perhaps some day become a formidable cricket team. just imagine if the ICC removes BAN from test playing nations. what will happen to the interest levels of the bangladeshi's? will the game not lose a passionate cricketing nation? is this what we want? are we trying to make cricket reach more and more nations or are we trying to restrict it to fewer and fewer nations?

if people find it boring please don't watch, but at least the people of these nations will watch and take up the game which will eventually do good to the game itself.

Kiran is spot on, BAN made it through due to the strong Asian influence. If BAN is constantly losing people will lose more and more interest, WI is the greatest example and England is a reasonable example, the Ashes was a one sided affair for 15 years but now everyone in England is interested - that's fantastic. BAN have not contributed to cricket at test level. They don't bring a new style, nor have they improved the game. I dare say BAN has provided no real test quality, world class cricketers . Some useful cricketers have emerged, but not many. I'd rather see good competitive cricket, then 'charity' to Bangladesh by letting them play tests - that's a pathetic argument.
      I also like Kiran's comment that less poor teams means more big and competitive games like 5 test series, as opposed to 4 between IND and AUS and back to 6 test Ashes series for instance.
      I also feel Bangladesh has virtually ruined cricket history and cricket statistics / records.

ok, everyone has his own opinion, lets move on! I hope BAN do well and prove all wrong!

so what are the developments spin? any chances the players will be returning or any compromise in sight?

Some people just don't know what to use for an argument, here's Jimmy Adams "Now you have a group of players earning more from playing cricket outside the Caribbean than for the West Indies and they aren't putting up with this crap. They have choices and they are prepared to exercise those choices. Either you get a buy-in from your employees or you're going to struggle."

Edited by spin wizard - 14 July 2009 at 9:13pm

Maybe so mystery, I can't say, nothing is exactly clear at the moment as far as people outside of WIPA and the WICB are concerned. 

Dillon wasn't too bad compare to what we've got now.  Anyways, the bowling attack will come, a lot of good fast bowling prospect around with Roach showing the most potential. He can use the new and old ball to great effect.  Pascal is a West Indian fast bowler of old, very agressive.  McLean (not Nixon) can hit like mid 80's but he gets a bit of bounce cause of his height and Austin flights the ball and can turn it.  Walton is a good keeper, the batting is what needs worrying about.

I know Sledger, I want to see the WICB made up of completely new people but I still don't think that will serve the problem, a lot of greedy people around in our parts here who take advantage of power.

There seem to be bad blood between parties indeed because Ramnarine and Adams (Vice President) feel in their playing days that they were treated badly.

Edited by spin wizard - 17 July 2009 at 4:56pm

Edited by spin wizard - 17 July 2009 at 6:36pm

WIPA wrote the governments here.  My thing is, if WIPA is demanding too much, things will never settle.  I agree that the WICB is wrong by not compensating injured players, not having contracts for the players to know what terms they're playing under (for me, they only deserve tour contracts, only a very few deserve yearly contracts).  WIPA is still on about more money, the WICB should introduce performance based contracts then and that should do it for them.