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    Posted: 07 March 2007 at 8:01am
On the toe of my cricket bat, there seems to be a small crack. It runs along the toe then just slightly goes along the bottom of the bat, just above the toe. Is there any way I can fix this, by oiling it, or?
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Surface crack or deeper?

Got a picture, if so post it in the appropriate thread in "equipment" and I'll take a look.
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I got nothing to take a picture with. But when you look at the toe, theres a surface crack running up the bat from the toe and the toe is cracked as well. It's not too deep, though.
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Sounds like cracking resulting from moisture ingress and then drying out.  How long have you had the bat for?  If you've not olied it previously it's a bit late now?  How do you store it when not playing with it?
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Really? I thought it was from when my idiot friend used his Compac cricket ball, then when I noticed the crack, I told him not to use it.

I've had the bat since 2005, and I've oiled the toe previously, and I store it in it's bat case. I have the Extratec sheet over the face anyway.


Edited by RightHandBat - 07 March 2007 at 8:52am
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Face protection can't protect against the natural moisture content of the bat, which will vary from time to time.  Storing a bat upright over the close-season or extended periods of little use causes the internal moisture content to concentrate at the bottom of the bat.  You should store a bat flat, face up in a cool dry atmosphere, allowing for even distribution and moisture exchange.  Many people pop them away in an airing cupboard or under the bed and wonder why they crack - you need to maintain even moisture content to keep the bat supple.  One of the reasons I dislike face protection and toe guards is the fact that people think less about the care and maintenance their bat requires.

My best advice.  Strip your bat of face protection and stickers, lightly sand it and inspect it for damage.  In the case of the toe split, inject a good wood glue, such as a PVA-based one, into the crack and clamp lightly in a vice, allowing plenty of drying time.  Sand off any overspill, you can fill any surface cracks with a mixture of glue and sawdust (from local timber merchant) in same way.  Lightly, and I mean lightly, linseed oil your bat using your fingertips on the explosed willow, but avoiding the splice (V shaped handle intersection).  Store it for a week flat with the face up in a cool dry place, repeat the oiling and storage for another week.  Dry the bat with a clean lint free cloth and apply a wrapping of good quality bat tape, fibre reinforced - but stick to white as darker colours absorb light/heat and encourage the bat to dry out.  Play with it - if the split worsens bad luck, because you have done everything you can to prolong its life, it was meant to be.

Can I suggest this thread, in its entirity, be moved to the eqipment area?


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A toe-guard should prevent you getting mud up the crack which can make it much worse
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Post Options Post Options   Quote W.G. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 March 2007 at 10:31am
And we all know how uncomfortable mud up the crack can be!!

Seriously, a toe guard can afford some protection against impact damage (though you do wonder what protection a couple of mm of rubber affords against 60mph ball impact) but it cannot mitigate against the wood drying, and this is the cause of most cracking.  Oiling a bat is the best way to regulate the moisture content and retain suppleness - and I am concerned that the modern trend towards face-guarding and toe-guarding bats removes the average player one further step away from learning how to look after their investment in quality willow.
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Hummmm, my bat toe cracked on Sunday too! The split is about an inch up the bat but not that bad. It hasn't appeared on the other side though so I guess it isn't that bad. The crack isn't wide either for glue to fit in. Is there anything I can do at all to make it better or not go any worst or is that the end of my brand new bat. Cry It seem as if the crack is right on one of the grain.
 
I guess it was caused by the softnest of the bat. A ball hit the edge - a new ball - on the side and it dented a lot! Part is dented and there is like a little break away from the part that isn't dented. Anyway of fixing this one too or is this one normal. I hit balls out of the middle too but no cracks there.
 
I have on a bat face too and I don't know if that prevented a far more worst damage. From W.G posts above, I guess I was taking care of the bat wrong. I had it in a case and it hardly ever got use and plus the facing on it too robbed it of moisture I guess. 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RightHandBat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 March 2007 at 6:58am
That's like mine SW. The glue wouldn't fit into mine. I also store my bat flat, but inside the bat case so there's no chance of water going into the toe, or mud etc.
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Try one more time WG............

The 'water' is already in your bat, trees (like willow) are alive and need water the same way we do, the cells (once alive) that make up the wood in your bat are predominately water.  Your bat is now dead and cannot regulate its water content.  Like all dead things it will start to decompose, the first stage of which is drying out.  It is the drying out that leads to cracks through shrinkage - this is entirely natural an small 'cracks' with the grain should be expected.  Oiling your bat is a way of retaining moisture content and keeping the dead wood supple.

This is why I oppose face guarding and toe guards, young players are growing up without a clue about how their bat 'works' - learn how to look after your bat as if it were a pet.

Glue will go into the tiniest crack, through capillary action - you might not see it go in, but go in it will.  Dilute a good PVA wood glue with 50% water and lightly brush it (do not soak) over the crack ....... science and nature will do the rest, the surface tension in the liquid glue will cause it to be drawn into the crack through capillary action.

Bat cases are made for transporting bats, not storing them.  Store your bat in the open in a cool dry environment, that will encourage it to regulate its moisture content with the surrounding air.


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So I should remove the bat face for good W.G? I always told myself that these things were useless!!!
 
Thanks a lot for the above though!
 
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I think the point is they're good for the bat to an extent but the mistake people make is thinking they're a substitute for proper care. If you still look after the willow properly I'd say it's better to have a face than not to have one.
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So I should remove the bat face for good W.G? I always told myself that these things were useless!!!
 
Thanks a lot for the above though!
 
So, anyone want a bat case to buy?
I am sure if you are playing first class cricket and/or can afford to replace bats regularly then face guards are a very good idea.  If instead you invest good money in a quality piece of willow and want/need to make it last then (in my opinion) a face guard should be removed allowing you to properly look after your bat.  That's only my opnion and I'm probably a bit 'old school' when it comes to bat maintenance ........... I had it beaten into me!!
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I think the point is they're good for the bat to an extent but the mistake people make is thinking they're a substitute for proper care. If you still look after the willow properly I'd say it's better to have a face than not to have one.
Bat tape is a great invention -  especially the modern reinforced stuff ....... better than PU face guards, you can look after your bat and protect the face/edges.
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Originally posted by W.G

I had it beaten into me!!
With the bat itself? LOL
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Not far off, I got clobbered with a stump across the back of my legs a few times.

Ah, those were the days..........
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Originally posted by W.G

.....face guard should be removed allowing you to properly look after your bat.
 
The problem is that while removing the face, damage can occur. I saw this on a leaflet from the face that I bought.
 
"adhesion is very powerful and damage to surface fibers could result."
 
I guess I just have to live with my bat the way it is! Cry
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Not in my experience, as long as you remove it with the grain and warm it up a bit first.
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Go with a little glue in the crack of the toe, as suggested. For added protection cover the area with shoe goo, i find this is alot better then the commercial toe guards.
What WG is trying to say is dont leave your bat in the case , it will start to sweat hence the production of mosture , lay it flat in a cool place ie the bottom of the wardrobe is a good place i have found , and for those with ducted heating make sure your bat is no where near the vent .
I have my bats Extra tec'ed  but at the end of every season I take it off lightly sand the bat oil and put it to bed for 3 months then same thing sand and oil, before pre season light sand and put on a new plastic sheet,
if you are worried of doing damage trying to remove the extratec get a cricket store to do it for you most wont charge you for this I have also found a hair dryer set on low heat will also help with the removal of the sheet   
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Heat is a good way but I definately would not remove with the grain, across is a much better way as the willow has a habit of lifting and spintering if you peel with the grain.

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Yes sorry definitley across the grain otherwise, same with removing stickers across the grain .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote W.G. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 March 2007 at 5:48am
My apologies my brain meant diagonally across the grain but for some reason (probably connected with the fact I was struggling to write with some nosey b&stard watching me on a train) I wrote 'with'.

I will go away, sand my testicles and oil them as a punishment (or reward, heh heh)


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Originally posted by spin wizard

"adhesion is very powerful and damage to surface fibers could result."
Any bat maker using glue that strong should be shot!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RightHandBat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2007 at 9:39am
So, is the anyway I can fix up the toe without doing anything complex such as tying it into a vice? The bat works nicely still, I'm just worried if I'm playing on a wet wicket, water might get into the crack after tapping it and go into the grains and wreck the bat, or digging out a yorker and it makes it worse.

On the toe of it aswell, you can see a bit of the wood fibres peeling, if you get what I'm saying, is that dryness of the willow? If so, how can I 'repair' the toe so it looks good, should I give it a light sand, re-oil or just sand it, or something similar?

I'm also going to remove my extratec sheet after my school cricket games finish, then re-oil the face of the bat.


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OK, over to the rest of you - I give up.
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Go with a little glue in the crack of the toe, as suggested. For added protection cover the area with shoe goo, i find this is alot better then the commercial toe guards.
 
Give the toe a light sand, just to get rid of the little chips then glue the crack try and save some of the dust from the sanding and mix with glue and put into the crack. Once the glue has dried bind with Fibreglass tape . them cover the area with shoo goo, this is a plastic resin like substance that will not only add protection to the area for mosture but also to the area wher the crack is. Cover the front, underneath and back of the bat where the crack is with shoo goo, you can even sand this back once it has harden to give it a smooth finish.   
Buy a big tube and you can re-apply when it starts to get worn away.
 
This is the best way I have found to protect against mosture , especially if you constantly play on wet or damp tracks.
 
 
 


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Is PVA WOODWORKING GLUE allowed to be used? It says its good for End Grain Gluing, so can that be used on the toe of the bat to fix up that crack, I have a couple more school games too, so should I wait until those finish before taking the extratec sheet off and completely fixing up the bat?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chief Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 March 2007 at 10:07pm
Thats Fine to use, although I wouldn't wait till the end of the season to fix up the bat, you could do more damage. I would start the repairs ASAP.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RightHandBat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 March 2007 at 5:18am
Hmm, okay. The crack on the toe isn't too bad, but I just thought if I fix the toe up, I might aswell take the extratec sheet off, reoil it etc, so I thought just get these few school games finished, because we got one this Friday and one next week, but I'll try fix up the toe tonight sometime.


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