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    Posted: 17 February 2007 at 6:30pm
Well, if you don't gamble everything on something you're passionate for, then what's the point of it all? I mean, even if you don't make the top grade with cricket, you can always become a coach or something.
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I know that I am the next Don and Warne combined in to one person. I call him "UNREAL"
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jhj87 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 February 2007 at 10:36pm

i thought i read in another topic that your goal this year is to get into your skl 1st XI, maybe you should concentrate on that before you start planning your test career lol.

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Originally posted by W.G.

So thought hoards of would-be professional footballers resigned to a life without a second career because not only were their eggs all in one basket, but they all broke!

Never take up teaching!


We are talking about CRICKET here! Pick up your game! *shakes head*

You don't need a second career, even if you put all your eggs in one basket, and you don't reach the top level, there will be a lot of opportunities for you.

YOU CAN NEVER FAIL IN LIFE. (Unless you want to think that you can, in which case you will)

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Just remember that Shane Warne started playing Grade cricket at age 21 and Glenn McGrath at 19. You don't need to "prove" you have talent just to make it to the top.


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i agree with u MrLee but i do think its important you have something else to back you up such as a trade or a degree, then if you just arnt good enough you have this to fall back on.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 70_degree_spin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 February 2007 at 4:09pm
Originally posted by jhj87

i thought i read in another topic that your goal this year is to get into your skl 1st XI, maybe you should concentrate on that before you start planning your test career lol.



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ok "UNREAL" can you not take my joke?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote W.G. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 February 2007 at 6:05am
Originally posted by MrLee

Just remember that Shane Warne started playing Grade cricket at age 21 and Glenn McGrath at 19. You don't need to "prove" you have talent just to make it to the top.
So let's get this right then, you are either saying Warne and McGrath have no talent or have never proven it in getting to the top?

Originally posted by MrLee

You don't need a second career, even if you put all your eggs in one basket, and you don't reach the top level, there will be a lot of opportunities for you.
How many professional cricket wannabees do you think 'make it to the top'?  What do you think the rest do if they don't have a second career option?  Oh I forgot you're an Aussie, the answer involves beaches, sun and doing not a lot - doesn't it?  In the real world people need money to live and in general terms most of us get that through working.

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YOU CAN NEVER FAIL IN LIFE. (Unless you want to think that you can, in which case you will)
More crass motivationalist rubbish, millions of people who never achieve their aspirations would disagree with you - particularly when the deciding factor is outside of the control of the individual.Care to tell us which national cricket team you play for Mr Lee, or will you reply it was never your dream?  I know it was my dream to play first class cricket, a dream that floundered when I lost the use of my arm for more than a year through a freak accident - you see you can dream it and want it all you like ........ but you can't control it and the best advice is not to carry a small collection of fragile objects in one dangerous basket.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote W.G. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 February 2007 at 6:07am
Originally posted by jhj87

i agree with u MrLee but i do think its important you have something else to back you up such as a trade or a degree, then if you just arnt good enough you have this to fall back on.
In which case you don't agree with Mr Lee, do you?  On the grounds he is arguing the opposite to what you think.
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The pessimist  vs the optimist.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote W.G. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 February 2007 at 6:52am
Originally posted by 143no

The pessimist  vs the optimist.
Oh you can be optimistic and a realist - you'll learn when you grow up Wink
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I never mentioned realist.
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Actually you seem a touch more cynical than pessimist, either way you have a great facination with trying to belittle others. I imagime it stems from geat dissapointment with your lot in life.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote W.G. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 February 2007 at 8:03am
Originally posted by 143no

I never mentioned realist.
And I never said you did (there is probably a point to  "nah nah nah nah nah" games, I'm sure).  My point, should you care to consider it and not post meaningless drivel, is that it is not pessimistic to accept the fragility of pursuing a sporting (or any short-lived) career by hedging one's bets in terms of not closing all doors in the single minded pursuit of one goal.
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Originally posted by 143no

Actually you seem a touch more cynical than pessimist, either way you have a great facination with trying to belittle others. I imagime it stems from geat dissapointment with your lot in life.
Thank you for that considered point, when I am drawing this month's £7&1/2k paycheque that I will lavish on my wonderful wife and five children in the splendid £750k home we have I will reflect further on my failure.

But if you would care to be a little more open in this discussion rather than snipe and swipe you will see that my point, a valid one, comes from equal measures of success and failure in life.  I've chased dreams - some successfully some not so - but never exclusively.  Success in life comes from having a mixed bag of tools that you can turn to your favour.  To suggest one should abandon everything in the pursuit of the singular is to gift the exceptional few with rich rewards but doom the average majority to abject failure.  Ask any sportsman with a career cut short by injury what their greatest regret is - you will usually get the same "didn't keep my options open" response.
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If ever I need life advice from a bitter, petty old pom, I will look you up.
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Originally posted by 143no

If ever I need life advice from a bitter, petty old pom, I will look you up.
So no intention to discuss anything then, this was yet another example of your pathetic baiting and name-calling.  Personally I'd never discount their being some value in anything anyone says, but then that is the benefit of an open mind.
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W.G. i agree with what you are saying, especially the people that say im going to be a professional because i feel i will. ok, thats great but the guys who are pro's have very special talent and have all been spotted from an early age. so its unlikley but never impossible that you will become a pro but still you cannot devote all your time to becoming a pro unless you really do have this very special ability. anyway, nowadays you can combine your cricket and further education at universities with good cricket team from which you can be selected to represent your domestic side. 143no this is a cricket forum so to say that W.G. has failed in life is quite unacceptable, you dont kno this man so how can you comment. maybe he has not played 1st class cricket but will you? and even so there have been many cricketers who have been top international player but have they been happy?
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though i don't think i will ever be part of the indian team there will always be a possibility that i may get
into the u.a.e as i live in the u.a.e and their team is pretty much crap. Though it would not be such a great achievement, its something better than nothing isn't it?
Exactly how good was warne when he was 14 were his abilities recognised at that age?
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Was Warne not rubbish when he was 14? I thought he got interested in crikcet a couple of years later. Might be wrong.

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he was interested in aussie rules football but wasnt strong or quick enough and cricket was just his hobbie. he was told by his coach when he was young that he "didn't have it" lol how wrong was he.
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LOL. Bet that coach is sitting at home, a lonely old man beside the fire.... LOL

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Originally posted by fishcake14

Was Warne not rubbish when he was 14? I thought he got interested in crikcet a couple of years later. Might be wrong.


Thats completely correct. It just shows how naturally gifted he is. makes you wonder how good he would be if he had been interested at 8 years old and not drunk so heavily. Then Murali would have been no match for him, but we can only wonder...(looks longingly in to the distance) LOL
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I'm going to agree with WG in this argument. I think most people just don't realize what happens if you drop out from school early to pursue a career in sport. If you fail your done for, most employers will look for A levels as a minimum in England, otherwise you'll probably end up with a very bad job.

May be different in Aus though, or maybe you're all in for a big shock.

 

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yep, warne wanted to be an aussie rules footballer untill he was 19, little over 2 years later he was making his test debut
 
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wow then he really must have been talented!
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Originally posted by W.G.

Originally posted by MrLee

Just remember that Shane Warne started playing Grade cricket at age 21 and Glenn McGrath at 19. You don't need to "prove" you have talent just to make it to the top.
So let's get this right then, you are either saying Warne and McGrath have no talent or have never proven it in getting to the top?

Originally posted by MrLee

You don't need a second career, even if you put all your eggs in one basket, and you don't reach the top level, there will be a lot of opportunities for you.
How many professional cricket wannabees do you think 'make it to the top'?  What do you think the rest do if they don't have a second career option?  Oh I forgot you're an Aussie, the answer involves beaches, sun and doing not a lot - doesn't it?  In the real world people need money to live and in general terms most of us get that through working.

Originally posted by MrLee

YOU CAN NEVER FAIL IN LIFE. (Unless you want to think that you can, in which case you will)
More crass motivationalist rubbish, millions of people who never achieve their aspirations would disagree with you - particularly when the deciding factor is outside of the control of the individual.Care to tell us which national cricket team you play for Mr Lee, or will you reply it was never your dream?  I know it was my dream to play first class cricket, a dream that floundered when I lost the use of my arm for more than a year through a freak accident - you see you can dream it and want it all you like ........ but you can't control it and the best advice is not to carry a small collection of fragile objects in one dangerous basket.
 
id rather try and fail, than not try and live in wonder for ever, other than that all i can say is that i love cricket and that i dont mind if i dont get to the higher levels, as long as im playing it.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RightHandBat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 February 2007 at 9:00am
Originally posted by jhj87

he was interested in aussie rules football but wasnt strong or quick enough and cricket was just his hobbie. he was told by his coach when he was young that he "didn't have it" lol how wrong was he.


That's what happened with Glenn McGrath. Everyone told him he was crap and he'd never succeed in cricket. It's amazing how people can say that to you, I think when people tell you that you're 'crap', you just get that mental edge to work harder on your game.
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school will always be my first priority but if end up any good im gonna go and study in england and have a shot at the minor leagues such as the lancashire league. ive heard lots about these leagues. lots of blokes from over here who play b grade local cricket go over to england of a winter and earn fairly good money.
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Originally posted by W.G.

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id rather try and fail, than not try and live in wonder for ever, other than that all i can say is that i love cricket and that i dont mind if i dont get to the higher levels, as long as im playing it.
 
dream a little, otherwise lifes boring!
The point of that was somewhat wasted on you, wasn't it.  I have never said do not try!
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