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Poll Question: Best No.3 Batsman
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    Posted: 25 March 2006 at 7:26pm
No not yet..Malik can not be compared to them I would say Dravid in Tests he is like a wall that you cant get past..but Ponting plays faster ..He plays fast if he needs to if not he can also play slow and carefully.
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Yeh, i agree.
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ponting is at present the best test player.he is in his dream form and there is no player who(dravid might be close) can be compared with him at present
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so your saying ponting is the best batsmen in the world right now in tests
Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though...
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yes of course. if u have some other pls let me know. in my mind i can't think of anyone else. who ise your best at present.(any position in the batting order)
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Statistically, Shoaib Malik has been the best number 3 ODI batsman since 2004...even better than Ponting!
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but sangakkara has scored the most runs something like 1849runs but malik has definatley without  a doubt the most improved no.3 batsmen or improved batsmen in the world
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Malik has been the highest averaging number 3 batsman in ODIs since 2004.
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thats a great effort good on him one of my favourite players from pakistan
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Originally posted by jumbo

hawk eye is one of the most biased persons i have ever seen. he is comparing malik with the likes of ponting and dravid.

they r the dons of cricket whereas he is still a kid who has to learn a lot to match the likes of the above two.

if he had said inzy i wouldn't have mind as he is also a very good player but shoaib mailk?

well thanks for givng me this title, if supporting your team is being biased,then i think all of us are biased........!

i still say shoab malik is the best No 3 player in the world right now....
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In Tests, I would certainly go with Ricky Ponting for best number 3. He is just outstanding! He has been in the form of his life! He has been making big scores, one after the other, nonstop!
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Some stats for batting at No. 3 in tests....

Ponting (105 innings) has scored 5882 runs at an average of 65.35 with 21 centuries and 21 half centuries... (this is excluding the test he is currently playing in, which he scored another century)

Dravid (126 innings) has scored 6818 at an average of 61.42 with 17 centuries and 34 half centuries....

Malik... according to Statsguru on Cricinfo has never batted at no.3 ??? which in effect rules him out of this argument of the best 1st down....

Anyway, with the stats above for ponting and dravid, both are equally fantastic players and as i said before, a pretty much inseperable except for 1 thing...

the fact that ponting has the ability to change the game in an instant and can take any bowling attack in the world apart... or by the same token batten down the hatches if required (his 156 in the ashes, 103 in the current test against SA, and 104 from 290 balls against a WI attack including Walsh and Ambrose)...

but really when it all comes down to it, both are great... it's just a matter of personal preference... mines ponting
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Well,without a doubt I think Ponting is the best number 3 who played the game. By the way what position did Sir Donald Bradman bat?
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i think u may mean.. the best no.3 behind bradman
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Originally posted by Clapo

Some stats for batting at No. 3 in tests....


Ponting (105 innings) has scored 5882 runs at an average of 65.35 with 21 centuries and 21 half centuries... (this is excluding the test he is currently playing in, which he scored another century)


Dravid (126 innings) has scored 6818 at an average of 61.42 with 17 centuries and 34 half centuries....


Malik... according to Statsguru on Cricinfo has never batted at no.3 ??? which in effect rules him out of this argument of the best 1st down....


Anyway, with the stats above for ponting and dravid, both are equally fantastic players and as i said before, a pretty much inseperable except for 1 thing...


the fact that ponting has the ability to change the game in an instant and can take any bowling attack in the world apart... or by the same token batten down the hatches if required (his 156 in the ashes, 103 in the current test against SA, and 104 from 290 balls against a WI attack including Walsh and Ambrose)...


but really when it all comes down to it, both are great... it's just a matter of personal preference... mines ponting




Clapo, if you don't mind me saying that YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN DRAVID CHANGE HIS TEMPERAMENT. H e has made 50's in 22 balls. 50 in 40 balles, 50 in 38 balls. He has the ability to bat quickly too. I f you are saying that Ponting changes temperament faster then thats fine by me. But you can't say that Dravid cannot play fast. To be one of the best players in the world you have to be able to play fast. The problem Dravid has is that whehever he has the chance to hit quickly the team suddenly collapses and he has to slow down a little in the end. SAo you can't really say. But you can say that Ponting is a faster player. I agree to that.
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i didn't say that dravid didn't have the ability to change his temperament... i know full well he does.. and i know full well he can score quickly in the One day version of the game...

my point was in Tests dravid tends to anchor the innings, and you surely must agree that in at least 85% of his test innings he doesn't dominate the bowlers in the same fashion tha ponting does.... he most likely does have the ability, but he rarely shows it in the longer version of the game... as i said though, both are fantastic, 2 of the greatest (big call, but i'm willing to make it, as i beleive both players would have been successful in any era) its just personal preference really

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Ponting by a country mile, why , because he has the ability to convert 50's into tons..look at that stat 21 100's, 21 50's..Dravid 17 100's 34 50's..not good enough. Dravid applies pressure on his partner, that is why the team collapses, the young guys should be anchoring and Dravid should be taking charge, not the other way around..
 
The fact taht Ponting can get as many runs as he has and average the same if not higher then Dravid, while still dominating and still getting more runs then that makes him superior..Dravid is defensively excellent, but that is not that handy when you need to keep the runs ticking over and try to share pressure with your partner.
 
PLUS lately Dravid is shifitng in th ebatting order a great deal.
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H eshould be consistently no.3 from now on in the ODI's. He should not come down for younger players like Yuvraj. Maybe Dhoni once in a while or maybe Dhoni if has to come up the order in any game can come at no.4. Dravid would have many many many many more runs if e was consistently at no.3. Ganguly had pushed him down when he was captain. Now Dravid is coming back to that spot. We need a basyman like him to anchor the innings if India is in trouble and the best place to anchor is at no.3.
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That's why he is so successful in that position in the Tests. Beacuse he was consistently there.
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yet another century for ponting... he has now scored 557 runs in just 3 test matches this year, awesome effort....

Also he became only the second person ever to score Centuries in both innings of a test match on 3 occasions....

he has also scored 1238 runs in his 9 test matches since last years ashes series... 7 centuries & 5 half-centuries included... in doing so he has also moved up to fifth on the all-time test century makers list..

these stats alone surely must convince all of you that he is without a doubt the best no.3 and best batsman in the world....
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Forget number 3s.

Ponting IS the best batsmen of the ERA.

That includes Lara, Tendaulkar, Richards, Chappell,etc....

When all the arguments subside about quality of opposition, how they look, technique, etc. The only true indicator is averages. And i mean averages against countries that can actually play cricket...

His average is comparable with Tendaluker, Dravid and Kallis(All up around the mid 50s). However, look at Tendaulker, Kallis and Dravid's averages against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. That combines with the number of innings played against these minnows, has bumped their averages up by app. 2-4.

Conversely, ponting has played only a couple of innings against both countries with a surprisingly modest average.

Take out averages against these 2 countries and Pontings still stands at around 58, whilst the others drop back down to about 52-53.
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