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saadadvanced7
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Topic: Best Batsman of 2006Posted: 23 November 2006 at 6:06pm |
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The year's coming to an end so lets see who you guys think was the best [Test] batsman of this year.
For me, the only and the obvious choice is Mohammad Yousuf. His record speaks for itself. He needs approx. 150 runs in one test to beat Viv Richard's record tally of 1710 runs in one year. You might say that more tests are played these days so obviously its easier to score more runs. BUT Vivian Richards achieved the feat in 19 innings, and so far Mohammad Yousuf has played 17 innings. He has only 2 more innings left to have a go at Richard's record. Along with that, Yousuf has already equalled Viv Richard's and Arvinda De Silva's record of most Test centuries in one year (7). So if he scores one more century in the last test, he will also break that record. Keep up the great work Yousuf!
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DRAVID FAN
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Posted: 23 November 2006 at 9:26pm |
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But unfortunately Ponting got the Award, but I'd have to agree, Yousuf was the best batsman of the year. I'm sure that he will easily break both those records.
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mAni_paKi
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Posted: 23 November 2006 at 10:59pm |
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Obviously Yousef will break these records very easily,unfortunate for him that he misses out his Double hundred for thrice in this year now.I feel if he would have get thoise double hundered then he was going to claim that Best Batsmen Award(Test).He is in brilliant form middeling the ball very well and having the Average oif 200 plus ina aseries is fantastic.isn't this another record?
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Posted: 24 November 2006 at 9:15pm |
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I don't know who was the best test batsman, it is a tough one to decide. Undoubtedly Yousuf has had an excellent year with the bat, as you guys said he is not far from breaking the record for the most runs ever in a calendar year.
The only problem is that Ponting has also had an excellent year, While Yousuf has scored 7 centuries this year, Ponting has scored 6. He also has got a lot of runs this year and he has 3 more test matches this year, Yousuf may break the record,but there is a chance Ponting will beat the record directly after that, Anyways, well done to both batsman, they are in my book by far and away the two beat batsmEn of the year. In response to Mani's question about averaging 200 in a series, I am not sure how many people have done it before but I do know Bradman did it in 1932 against South Africa in a 5 test series. |
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 25 November 2006 at 3:17am |
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Well, lets look at Ponting's record this year. Taking into tally his 196 against England in the first inning of the first Ashes Test, he's got 998 runs this year in 12 innings. He has a maximum of 7 innings left this year. To beat Vivian Richard's record, Ponting needs to score around 715 more runs in a maximum of 7 innings. That's not a lot to ask from a batsman who's performing as good as Ponting right now. So its possible that Ponting might break Vivian Richard's record of 1710 Test Runs in a calender year. But it depends on how many times he gets to bat. If England continue playing the way they're playing right now, Australia will only need to bat once in every match because England will lose every match so horribly. I know I'm being harsh on England but look at what they're doing in the current test. They're obviously going to be forced to follow-on and if they bat well in their second inning, they'll be lucky to avoid an innings defeat.
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MiNiWaRnEy
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Posted: 25 November 2006 at 3:49am |
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It's hard to say, the catch that Gilly just took off Clark to get Hoggard has just about confirmed the fact that a follow-on is about to occur and England are still over 400 runs behind!
I think Yousuf has had a good run of form, and has had an awesome year.. but I think it is a form thing, he is not a prodigy like Punter and is not the most exciting player to watch, but my word what a year he has had... so many runs, very effective... maybe Ponting should grow a beard !
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wiseguy
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Posted: 25 November 2006 at 7:40am |
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Ponting as a captain can decide for as many outings as he needs and if Vivian's record on his mind , we might well see him batting another 4 times, so for 600 odd runs he needs a megre 150 per innings and thats really on the cards looking at the english bowling resources, so its not a race which has finished as yet. Yousaf will have two more innings and if he also scores 150 each he will be beyond the reach of Ponting. Lets see on whom the luck smiles.
Ponting has already gained the covetted honour of best player, I am not sure how , may be he averaged better than yousaf at the time of decision, as I know for sure yousaf has been the leading scorer for last 6/7 months, or may be his captaincy added points to his selection as the best, or yousaf beared prevented him, but that would always be confusing!
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MiNiWaRnEy
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Posted: 25 November 2006 at 8:23am |
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The fact that Ponting also captains and is a brilliant fieldsman, means that he is doing a lot more , which can somewhat affect his full batting capacity. Ponting has to compete with the likes of Hayden, Langer, Martyn, Gilchrist and Hussey for runs. A little bit more threatening then say Younis and Inzi. If Yousuf played against Aust. in a test in 2006 and scored a 190 odd then I would concede to the fact that he is not the best, because I believe the best batsmen in the world is Ponting, no matter what and it would take a mighty feat by Yousuf against an excellent side to sway me. Edited by MiNiWaRnEy - 26 November 2006 at 12:44am |
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mAni_paKi
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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 2:27pm |
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Yousef reachs 9th hundered of the Calendar year,i dont think this topic should go Further after his such Awsome performance.
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Kerm
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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 2:31pm |
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I think what everyone has realised is that Ponting and Yousef are pretty much the joint best batsmen of the year, all the Pak supporters will go for Yousef and all the Aussie supporters will go for Ponting, as it is there is nothing between them.
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mAni_paKi
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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 2:39pm |
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i'll go for Yousuf for year 2006,just look at the Records he has achieved.He has also broken Don's record.theres nothin else to say after that.
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143no
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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 2:48pm |
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Kerm
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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 2:51pm |
Mohammad Yousuf 97.62 |
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143no
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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 2:53pm |
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But Kerm, Yousuf has a beard
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Kerm
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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 2:59pm |
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Just because Ponting is a bit too girly to grow a beard it doesn't make him any less of a good batsman ;-)
Edit: Then again there is one player with a fairly stunning test batting record this year. JN Gillespie 2 3 2 231 201* 231.00 43.50 1 - 2 - AUS Edited by Kerm - 30 November 2006 at 3:17pm |
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 10:23pm |
Well, you know what, I've got something to say! I've already said this before but I'll say it again. Mohammad Yousuf has played 19 innings this year [including the 2 innings in the 3rd test against West Indies]. Out of those 19 innings, he has only had one not out score which really doesn't make a huge difference to his average for 2006. Ponting on the other hand has played 13 innings this year [so far] and out of those 13 innings, he has had 3 not out scores (143*,118*, 60*)! And just to let you know, that 143* is Ponting's second highest score this year. So, with such a huge not out score AND 2 other impressive not out scores, it obviously makes quite a difference to Ponting's 2006 batting average. And that's why Ponting's 2006 batting average is higher than Mohammad Yousuf's. All of this was just to prove that the you can't declare Ponting the winner [in terms of averages] over Yousuf because it is slightly biased! I will once again say that Ponting is in a class of his own compared to Mohammad Yousuf, but I had to clear up the averages issue. Edited by saadadvanced7 - 02 December 2006 at 12:00am |
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Kerm
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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 11:27pm |
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Well being not out, especially at no.3 means your batting incredably well which is why it gets added onto the previous score for the average which is part of why the Average is important to look at for comparing players.
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MiNiWaRnEy
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Posted: 01 December 2006 at 2:21am |
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Saad and Kerm you both make excellent points. Ponting has been playing like this for a lot longer then Yousef - and like I have said put this on top of skippering a side (and being under enormous pressure after losing the Ashes in 2005 and pressure on him to win the Champs trophy) and his brilliant fielding, as well as holding a no.3 spot, in which he has made 3 not outs (which is heaps for a No.3). I am not going to say who is the best in 2006 - I will let you make your own judgement..
NO DOUBT YOUSUF HAS BEEN AWESOME, he has been a run-machine this year. Ponting has been superior to his counterparts for a long time, with Lara being hot and cold (one innings he gets 200, the next innings he gets 0) and Sachin being injured and not playing like himself.
It is hard to go past Ponting, and I challenge mani_paki to actually justifying his selection of Yousuf, but also displaying an unbias reporting.
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DRAVID FAN
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Posted: 01 December 2006 at 3:58am |
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I think the best batsman has got to be illespie statistically.
Nah, I think it was Yousuf. Was much better than Ponting (I just hate that guy ) this year.
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MiNiWaRnEy
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Posted: 01 December 2006 at 6:13am |
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You are foolish,,, read my post , make an UNBIAS judgement. Your judgement is as subjective as it comes as you have indicated you do not like Ponting, you should not have included it otherwise it proves your bias.
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wiseguy
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Posted: 01 December 2006 at 7:45am |
why not compare both against english or indian or SA attacks for a comparison!
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wiseguy
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Posted: 01 December 2006 at 7:52am |
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Infact I would always say for the last decade ausie batsmen have been at an advantage to have not faced the best bowling and that should be considered too!
It just gives them an open field to score runs, ponting , hussey, gilchrist, hayden have never faced the oppening spell of macgrath and lee, and never faced warne on a 4th day track so they have been lucky to be a part of ausie team also, will some one consider that too!
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MiNiWaRnEy
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Posted: 01 December 2006 at 10:04am |
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Domestic cricket is very competitive mate.
I would say Wasim, Waqar, Donald, Pollock, Bond, Murali, Vettori, Harmison, S.Jones, Kumble, H.Singh, Flintoff, Vaas rate pretty well.
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RightHandBat
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Posted: 01 December 2006 at 10:16am |
Ponting has faced McGrath and Warne in Domestic Cricket, and in the nets, why do you think he is so good? Not to mention all the battles McGrath and Ponting have had at the Academy in Australia as young talented players. Edited by RightHandBat - 01 December 2006 at 10:18am |
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MiNiWaRnEy
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Posted: 01 December 2006 at 10:23am |
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Exactely what I am saying. *Nodding in approval*
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wiseguy
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Posted: 01 December 2006 at 11:38am |
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But sorry mate thats doesnt effect the international record, when you have never to face the best attack during your career , you are lucky and there is no fault of yours that your own attack has been the best!
Let me just put it another way J. dujon said that the Vivian's fate was more comendable as the attacks in old days were far superior to what we have now. But i think 1788 runs with 9 hundreds is something really comendable even against poorest of the attacks, as I always mantain you will see hardly any records made against Bang or Zam, reason the motivation to score against better attacks takes you to highest level. Few examples, highest scores in one day in both innings against arguably the best attacks in one day these days, fastest century afridi against sri lankans when they were world champions and top of their game! highest score by lara in england cinditions considered supporting bowlers.
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MiNiWaRnEy
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Posted: 01 December 2006 at 12:01pm |
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Viv had to face DK and Snow, wtc.. but he did not face Holding, Roberts, Griffiths, Gomes, Marshall..................................................
There is nothing for bowlers these days, and only the truly talented can stay in the game. If Warne was playing in 1930 he would have 800 wickets from 70 games... c'mon guys, conditions for batting are awesome, and the batting tracks in pakistan and flat and dry and having nothing for bowlers.. and when you have guys liek Afridi tampering with pitches it does not help the bowlers.
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 02 December 2006 at 12:27am |
You are assuming that in all three of his not out scores this year, all 10 batsmen fell but he remained not out. Well your assumption is WRONG! Let me clear up Pontings not outs for you! The first not out was 143* against South Africa in Sydney. It was made in Australia's second innings when they were chasing only 287 to win and Ponting carried them home after only 2 wickets fell. The second not out was 118* against Bangladesh(!) in Fatullah. It was also made in Australia's second innings when they were chasing only 307 to win and Ponting stood not out while 7 wickets fell before Australia chased down the target. This was a good innings because it came under some pressure but really, for Ponting, facing the Bangladesh attack is no big deal. The third not out was 60* against England in the first Ashes Test in Brisbane. It was also made in Australia's second innings. After England were bowled out for 157, Ponting didn't enforce the follow-on and decided to bat instead. He declared as soon as Langer got his century - at that point Australia were at 202/1 and Ponting was on 60*. |
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wiseguy
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Posted: 02 December 2006 at 7:33am |
Sometimes I think you have turned wise, but time and again you bring on your rubbish back of comapring the pitches! why only fast tracks considered good for cricket.
For centuries ausies and englishmen struggled on the same batting tracks of india and Pakistan why? It needs a lot of skill to play quality spin bowling and only after warne phenomenon happened to them they have started playing batter on those batting paradises!
You can have a lot many bowling machines in your academies and learn to play pace and swing but where will you get a machine to bowl the variety of a spinner, so just get out of your paronia that runs scored in australian tracks are better than the ones scored in pakistan or india, get a life please! Edited by wiseguy - 02 December 2006 at 7:33am |
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Posted: 02 December 2006 at 9:20pm |
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Well guys, both have played truly amazing for the year and both have played against different attacks in different conditions so its really hard to decide.
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