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    Posted: 26 July 2007 at 1:49pm
OH thanks for telling me...I never knew that....
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We all learn something new everyday don't we.
In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote daisy77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 July 2007 at 6:40pm
yeah we do....but I am guessing that he did not play with Lara for a long time though.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 July 2007 at 7:59pm
Just for about 4 years I think.
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ohh ok....
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Best under pressure? steve waugh, ricky ponting, graeme smith maybe. Im sorry but tendulkar is terrible under pressure. Not once has he produced a test match saving or winning innings. Yes he has pressure every time he goes out to bat and carries the weight of a billion fans but that is different to performing just when it is needed. Laras another one. Terrible alot of the time but generally comes good and plays a blinder when it is needed. How many of tendys centuries have been ranked as great ones? none!
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That's at least twice you've mentioned Tendulkar never producing a Test match winning innings, which suggests you probably weren't paying much attention to events in Chennai last December.

To say he has never made a "great" century is laughable too.
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42 test centuries and they were all crap and pointless punterrulz? I'm sure 2 or 3 were pretty meaningless, as with all batsmen who have many tons, but all 42 ?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 October 2009 at 1:50pm
This punter kid needs a bat behind the head.  Many times lara has come in with the score of 2 wickets down for practically nothing and then he pulls of a blinder of a ton.  Lara made a 196 vs SA in 2005, one of his best knocks I've seen.  Ntini ran rampant removed Gayle, Hinds and Sarwan in no time and the pitch had pace and bounce and was well grassed.  Lara carnaged them all!  It had to take a gem of a delivery to get him out, a delivery that Tony Cozier said "not even god could have played that".
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Ponting is great under pressure too - no doubt about it and he's done well many a time. To say Sachin has done poorly under pressure is ridiculous. 1 billion supporters expecting the world from you. Now that's enough to make any person quit the game!
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Maybe punterrulz is refering to Sachin Tendulkar and Brian Lara that none of us know.

But punterrulz if you are refering to Sachin Tendulkar that we know , then you need some good read
 
 
Some statistics which you will not like for sure
Just click the link below
 
To make it bit easier for you, here is the essence of it
Ponting averages 38.42 in 41 ODI finals , while Sachin averages 55.54 in 39 finals that they have played.
 
As far as I am concerned Sachin,Ponting, Lara,Waugh,Dhoni,Inzi,Yousuf and many more who are famous did handle pressure very well over long periods of their career, that is why they are famous.I have realised that statistics do not really give the correct picture.
 
But they are good enough to clear strange misinterpretations  that some people have
 
For your reference, I just gave the statistics of ODI , Try searching in Tests it won't be much different.
 
Welcome Punterrulz, this is a wonderful and interesting forum, that you have already realised
 


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Im not saying tendy isn't a great batsmen. If you read what I originally wrote I did say he was great but with a question mark. Spin Wizard obviously isn't a wizard between the ears if they think im saying lara isn't good under pressure as he may certainly was. Many times lara has produced brilliant match saving innings and that is why he has to be rated great. Tendy is great too but lets face it most of his runs have come in dead rubbers. Wisden obviously agrees with me as not one on his centries have made it to the top 100. 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote milkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 November 2009 at 12:20pm
The thing about the 3 'greats' of the last decade or so is that they are all the most prized wicket in their respective sides and they can single handedly win games. Sachin, for mine is the best of the 3 because he has the least weaknesses and has succeeded against all teams, on all surfaces and for so long.
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punterrulz you need to know lot of things, in Wisden's opinion a match winning century is rated higher than a match losing.

Take the following case

Target 201
Case A: 
196/9 BatsmanX - 99 , BatsmanY- 0
49.5 BatsmanX , scores 1 run 
49.6 BatsmanY , Scores 4 run and the Team wins
 
Target 201
Case B: 
196/9 BatsmanX - 99 , BatsmanY- 0
49.5 BatsmanX , scores 1 run 
49.6 BatsmanY , Out bowled, Team loses.
 
In both the case Batsman X has done his part in scoring century , but according to Wisden, Case A's century is much more Valuable then CaseB's century.FYI there was big controvery about the list you are mentioning, recently awards were mocked by SA when none of SA players were included.
 
Forget Wisden,Awards and Stats apply general logic and you will realise bunch of good players in their own right.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote milkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 November 2009 at 12:59pm
Fact of the matter is punterrulz is not wrong. Punter is a great of the game, but I'm afraid he's behind Sachin.
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okay whos your top 5 of all time?
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punterrulz visit current matches threads too. There are lot of nice threads with good discussion going on there.

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Top 5 all time. I'll have a go at that.
 
1. Bradman
2. Jack Hobbs
3. Garfield Sobers
4. Viv Richards
5. Sachin Tendulkar
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MalhotraRaj84 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 November 2009 at 1:36pm
milks you want this thread to pick speed Wink.Go on, step the gas.
 
EDIT: Excellent pick though.I would never be able to do that.Lot names comes to my mind.Can't fit in just 5.


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There's other still ahead of Ponting. Barry Richards, Graeme Pollock, Victor Trumper, George Headly...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 November 2009 at 7:26pm
I wish I could have seen all players of the past, i've only seen tapes of a few.  Saw a bit of Bradman and his footworks was pretty good.  Sobers had a special gift of dispatching good balls, balls quite close to him use to fly square for 4 and that's why some compared Lara to him.  Sobers I heard once saying he use to pick the length from the bowlers wrist, just unbelieveable.  Just by how the wrist was, he'll no if it was coming short or pitched up.  That's why these players are great, a bowlers body language give away tips to them.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote punterrulz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 November 2009 at 4:37am
Yes id like graeme pollock and barry richards to have played more. You cant rate them from so few matches obviously but there was something about them both. It has even been suggested pollock could have matched bradman. Im not sure but he was very good. You just have to say batsmen like bradman, sobers, pollock, lara, b richards, v richards, tendulkar and ponting, yes ponting are all special batsmen.
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Originally posted by punterrulz

ponting, yes ponting are all special batsmen.


I don't believe Milkman ever said he wasn't,all he said was that Tendulkar is better.
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That is right Blade. Ponting is pretty much as great as they come, Sachin just pips him off that mantle of being the greatest in this era. There's no shame in being 2nd to Sachin, no way.
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Blade i am not defending ponting agianst milkman I am stating in general ponting often dosent get mentioned as being a great of all time or or at least alongside the richards or pollocks of the world. My reference to ponting in that way is in reference to exactly that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 November 2009 at 7:12am

Although there cannot be a very correct answer to this, I'd still go with Inzamam and Steve Waugh as two of the best players under pressure... some of those knocks I've seen were simply magestic.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote punterrulz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 November 2009 at 7:23am
Yes I forgot what the subject was. Best under pressure, yes definitely steve waugh. tough as they come and very hard to move from the crease. Hes a bit like Allan Boarder, not pretty to watch but effective and gritty.
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Kevin Pietersen and Michael Clarke these days tend to stand up when no one else does. Sangakkara as well for SL.
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Yes KP and pup do the same. Dissappointed to see Pieterson out of the ashes so early. I think Clarke will keep improving too.
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Micheal Clarke is a boss of pressure situation for current players - absolutely fantastic!
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