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    Posted: 01 February 2006 at 1:58am
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There's sort of a close one between Inzamam and Ponting...but at the end I'd go with Inzamam...even though Ponting is slightly better (as a batsman skipper).
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Do you know where your shift key is, vettori no2?
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I would say Ricky Ponting he is the best batting skipper at this point
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y isnt dravido there
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True!

Dravid has been in good form with the bat lately and should be there.
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yea he is better than most of the guys in that list
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what's bangers doing in this list???
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yep dravid should be there definately. What's trescothick doing even though vaughan is captain?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote saadadvanced7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2006 at 12:49am
Originally posted by The CCC

what's bangers doing in this list???


Who's bangers??
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Who is bangers???
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even though both are highly qualified and rated batsmen and skipper i think the more likely winner will be the big man inzy. his batting is simply superb and he has hold pakistan team in such a way that they improved from almost 0 to 10. pakistan were collapsing after world cup 1999 but after inzy captained the side, they improved a lot even though they had lots of youngser playing. but ricky was simply replacing one of the greatest captain of all time who helped to build a perfect team. even though it wasnot that easy for ponting i think it was much more difficult for inzy to captain a side and be successful
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Post Options Post Options   Quote saadadvanced7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2006 at 6:03am
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even though both are highly qualified and rated batsmen and skipper i think the more likely winner will be the big man inzy. his batting is simply superb and he has hold pakistan team in such a way that they improved from almost 0 to 10. pakistan were collapsing after world cup 1999 but after inzy captained the side, they improved a lot even though they had lots of youngser playing. but ricky was simply replacing one of the greatest captain of all time who helped to build a perfect team. even though it wasnot that easy for ponting i think it was much more difficult for inzy to captain a side and be successful


Gota agree with you on that. Inzamam has captained a bunch of amateurs but he has transformed those amateurs into a hardworking, and team-committed bunch of cricketers.
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i would like to say fleming but he is out of form so i would say ricky ponting for his form last year and this year in the test

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Fleming was really impressive until he got out of form but i think he will be back in form in no time
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True. Ponting's form in the Test arena has been simply outstanding. He just keeps getting better and better. But he doesn't bat under as much pressure as Inzamam does.

Inzamam has also been in great form with the bat...though not as good as Ponting. The reason for that could be that he almost always has to bat under pressure. He knows that his failure could mean the failure of the team. He knows that his failure could change the result of the match. When Inzamam fails, most of the times the rest of the batting order just gets ripped apart as well. But when Inzamam does well, which is almost always, the rest of the team is confident that they can do well. Inzamam is almost as good as Ponting currently in batting.

And he is certainly a better skipper than Ponting, so that leads to me to conclude that he is a better batting/skipper than Ponting.

The reason why I say that Inzamam is a better skipper than Ponting is that they both lead completely different teams. Ponting took over from a great captain -Steve Waugh- who had made the Australian team nearly perfect. Ponting leads a bunch of high class players...Gilchrist, Hayden, McGrath, Warne, etc., etc. They are the ones that are responsible for the success of the Australian team...not the captaincy of Ponting.

Inzamam on the other hand leads a bunch of amateur youngsters. And before Inzamam was made skipper, the Pakistan side had already gone through a lot of twists and turns, so it wasn't easy taking over as captain. He took a Pakistan team that was completely hopeless until he was made captain. He took this bunch of hopeless, amateur youngsters and he turned them into a bunch of hardworking, committed, and collective cricketers. He has made the Pakistan team a top team.

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IN my opinion it is : -

  1. Ricky Ponting
  2. Graeme Smith
  3. Inzamam ul-Haq
  4. Rahul Dravid
  5. Michael Vaughan
  6. Shiv Chanderpaul
  7. Marvan Attapatu
  8. Stephen Fleming (Because of his conversion rate of 50's to 100's, extremely poor)
  9.  &    10., who cares
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Graeme Smith 2nd as batting skipper??

That's a surprise.
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Not really, haveyou seen him play when in form, he has more skill then Inzi and is much better in my opinion, you may say that he is playing bad now and has not got passed 41 in one match this tour but he is only 24 and is young and not many have done this well so early in their career, Sachin  pops into mind but not too many others, plus he has the burden of captaincy at this point of time. Inzi has been in worse slumps and at least Smith is fit and can actually run and field and even help out with the ball, I do not particulary like Smith what so ever but he is good no doubt.
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'bangers' is marcus trescothick...that's his nickname as he likes 'bangers n mash' - an english food!

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Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy

Not really, haveyou seen him play when in form, he has more skill then Inzi and is much better in my opinion, you may say that he is playing bad now and has not got passed 41 in one match this tour but he is only 24 and is young and not many have done this well so early in their career, Sachin pops into mind but not too many others, plus he has the burden of captaincy at this point of time. Inzi has been in worse slumps and at least Smith is fit and can actually run and field and even help out with the ball, I do not particulary like Smith what so ever but he is good no doubt.


All those points are valid, but currently I would rank Inzamam ahead of Smith.
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i agree with you saad. even though smith his young and a good captain he certain comes below inzy coz inzy is lot more experience and smith has a lot more to learn. moreover he also has to develop more as a captain as well.
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Yup!

Inzamam is an experienced batsman with a fine record. He is also a fine captain.
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Surely Ponting is a great captain and a superstar batsman but Inzi also is not left far behind coz his captaincy has really improved from 2004 uptil now and the new name 4 him SHOCK ABSORBER really suits him as he really saves the match in the time of need . He is really a great batsman, an excellent captain and a very very fine human being.

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ricky without a doubt, shouldnt it be vaughn instead of trescothick
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Ponting is ahead with Inzi at second place and Dravid at Third.

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Originally posted by saadadvanced7

True. Ponting's form in the Test arena has been simply outstanding. He just keeps getting better and better. But he doesn't bat under as much pressure as Inzamam does.

Inzamam has also been in great form with the bat...though not as good as Ponting. The reason for that could be that he almost always has to bat under pressure. He knows that his failure could mean the failure of the team. He knows that his failure could change the result of the match. When Inzamam fails, most of the times the rest of the batting order just gets ripped apart as well. But when Inzamam does well, which is almost always, the rest of the team is confident that they can do well. Inzamam is almost as good as Ponting currently in batting.

And he is certainly a better skipper than Ponting, so that leads to me to conclude that he is a better batting/skipper than Ponting.

The reason why I say that Inzamam is a better skipper than Ponting is that they both lead completely different teams. Ponting took over from a great captain -Steve Waugh- who had made the Australian team nearly perfect. Ponting leads a bunch of high class players...Gilchrist, Hayden, McGrath, Warne, etc., etc. They are the ones that are responsible for the success of the Australian team...not the captaincy of Ponting.

Inzamam on the other hand leads a bunch of amateur youngsters. And before Inzamam was made skipper, the Pakistan side had already gone through a lot of twists and turns, so it wasn't easy taking over as captain. He took a Pakistan team that was completely hopeless until he was made captain. He took this bunch of hopeless, amateur youngsters and he turned them into a bunch of hardworking, committed, and collective cricketers. He has made the Pakistan team a top team.

You do realise that the whole "Inzy don't perform and Pakistan Lose" thing is a load of BS.... did they not just Hammer India in the final test with Inzy. And is it just me or is Younis and Mohammed yousef to extremely talented batsmen that Pakistan ALSO seem to rely on a lot...

The whole pressure thing is bull as well saad. If inzy doesn't perform, chances are Younis Kahn, Mohammed Yousif, Salman, or Akmal will, so please don't dribble on about "Inzy knows if he don'st perform they will lose....yada yada yada" because well all know its not true. In the SA series, if ponting didn't perform, chances are SA would have won the 3rd test, maybe even the series....

You also said it's not ponting captaincy thats winning them games, its the other players ??? pfffffffft take ponting out of the game and see how Aust. performs. He is the Greatest ever No.3 in the game... Captaincy is more than just decide to bat/bowl first, and deciding where to position the field. It's also leading by example, it's knowing when to put warne in the attack, or knowing that this batsmen has a weakness against fast short pitched bowling.....

That all being said, i think it's quite clear taht ponting is the best batting skipper atm.

p.s. why is tressy up there ????????? lol i think you will find that Michael Vaughn is the pommie captain

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take ponting out of the game and see how Aust. performs. He is the Greatest ever No.3 in the game...



dear god....

yes, of course Ponting is the best, so much better than that useless old Bradman for example
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