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    Posted: 02 June 2007 at 5:12am
Originally posted by ponting111

If I can process this? I think you need to get off your high horse mate.

 
Stick to cricket lad, that's the theme !
 
 
Good one Graham!
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Originally posted by W.G.

They are categorised as off-break bowlers, or offies, because the ball breaks from off to leg to the right hander, no other reason.  Unless, of course, the bowler is left handed and moving the ball off to leg, in which case he is bowling a Chinaman - in the style of Ellis (Puss) Achong.  Nothing to do with any stock delivery - the stock ball is the most often used delivery by the bowler to effect (in this case) off spin.
The stock delivery is the one that breaks from off to leg, so they are called offies. Bowlers who ahev their speeds in 80-85mph are called fast medium, that's what their stock ball is (of course with distinction of out and in swing)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Tyke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 June 2007 at 3:35pm

I really shouldn't be the one saying this. but:

Back on topic. Best Batting-Wicketkeeper, not an argument about bowling.

I know this led on from what we were posting about certain players being harder to keep to but this ain't half gone on a tangent.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote W.G. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 June 2007 at 7:12am
Originally posted by MadMax

The stock delivery is the one that breaks from off to leg, so they are called offies. Bowlers who ahev their speeds in 80-85mph are called fast medium, that's what their stock ball is (of course with distinction of out and in swing)
Sorry Tyke, you are of course right, but I need to follow this up - you are now saying, as far as I can determine Max, that the speed of the delivery makes it a bowler's stock delivery?  If you can confirm this is indeed your belief I'll leave you festering in your own little world because clearly you don't have a clue!


Edited by W.G. - 03 June 2007 at 7:12am
When you win the toss - bat.
If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat.
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exactly on the money W.G.
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Originally posted by W.G.



Originally posted by MadMax

The stock delivery is the one that breaks from off to leg, so they are called offies. Bowlers who ahev their speeds in 80-85mph are called fast medium, that's what their stock ball is (of course with distinction of out and in swing)
Sorry Tyke, you are of course right, but I need to follow this up - you are now saying, as far as I can determine Max, that the speed of the delivery makes it a bowler's stock delivery?  If you can confirm this is indeed your belief I'll leave you festering in your own little world because clearly you don't have a clue!
Define a fast medium bowler
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It has nothing to do with speed, spin, swing, or whatever, the stock ball is the ball that is most used by the bowler, his standard delivery.
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Head + Wall = bang bang bang!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote samhache Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 June 2007 at 11:16pm
W.G you dont want an injury do you? try a stress relief ball they can do wonders...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Tyke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 June 2007 at 11:43pm
Originally posted by MadMax

Define a fast medium bowler
 
A bowler who I love to bat against but also like to keep to
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MadMax Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 June 2007 at 2:46am
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It has nothing to do with speed, spin, swing, or whatever, the stock ball is the ball that is most used by the bowler, his standard delivery.
beating about the bush, both of you. Stock ball has some charachteristics. Of a fast medium bowler it is the speed that he bowls his stock ball makes him a fast medum bowler. That is the most important charachteristic when you look at a seamer. When you bat and you spot a new seamer, you'll naturally ask the keeper "is this guy really fast?" and the response will be "fast medium" or "blisering" or "see for your self, fool". (the last response will entitle the keeper for some return from the batsman).

When a spinner is considered, which way he turns the ball is the most important charchteristic. That depends on which way he turns his stock ball. The standard delivery for a offie is the off break, let it be 45mph one or a 58mph one, it is still the off break and is the stock ball.
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Not much point trying to explain to you max is there.

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Prabably we are teling the same thing but the approach is different. I agree with you, no point explaining to you well.
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Originally posted by 143no

It has nothing to do with speed, spin, swing, or whatever, the stock ball is the ball that is most used by the bowler, his standard delivery.


 Precisely.
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Originally posted by Sledger

Originally posted by 143no

It has nothing to do with speed, spin, swing, or whatever, the stock ball is the ball that is most used by the bowler, his standard delivery.


 Precisely.
 
Thats the same thing that Mad Max was going to explain I gess.LOL
Anyway this thread is not about stock balls of the bowlers, just get on with the topic men.


Edited by maxx - 04 June 2007 at 10:15am
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The best wicketkeeper-batsman is matt prior. he has only played 2 tests for england but he is sooooo good
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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Tyke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 June 2007 at 8:42pm
He could become one of the best but he's got a long way to go before he reaches the likes of Sangakarra and Gilchrist.
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yer but already he has shown that he has got talent
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yes, but time is the only telling factor to whether he is going to be good or great. You never know, injury may severly impede his career etc.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MadMax Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2007 at 8:11am
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yer but already he has shown that he has got talent
Take him to India and let him face Kumble, take him to Pakistan and let him face Shoaib and Asif, take him to Austrailia and let him face Lee, Tait, McGill & Co. and finally take him to SL and let him face Murali and Malinga. If he suceeds in all these tests, he is truly great.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote samhache Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2007 at 10:36am
Well, we already know what he can do against Australia, and thats when they had Warne!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MadMax Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2007 at 11:25am
When did he play against Austrailia? He has only played two matches!
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Well, we already know what he can do against Australia, and thats when they had Warne!
 
He's never played against Australia. I can see where your coming from though madmax, it will be a true test of character !
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i am sure he can handle them.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Tyke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2007 at 6:47pm
He has got to walk before he can run.
 
I can see him doing quite well against the Aussies and the Proteas.
I can't see him making massive scores in India though.
 
The one thing England must not do is create this huge hype about him and pile the pressure on him.
Nobody questions the fact that he's got the talent, but using it sensibly and making scores consistently is something that will only come with a lack of pressure and more time on the international stage.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bettis91 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2007 at 7:23pm
well i can safely say that so far he has proven that he is better than Jones and Read
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sorry i got the wrong thread my bad
i was talking about Alastiar Cook.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Tyke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2007 at 11:00pm
Jones started brightly and then plummeted. Let's hope Prior doesn't do the same.
 
Read is an absolutely infuriating enigma. He has ability but always seems to underachieve. I've spent time racking my brains and can't figure it out. Maybe it's pressure or a lack of confidence but I just can't figure it out.
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Don't forget fellas that Prior at current is facing probably the 2nd weakest bowling attack of the test playing nations. As madmaxx said, wait until he meets the other great bowlers to determine whether he is great or not.
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Yes, his real test will be against the aussies. I cant say i know much about this fellow where has he arisen from? (im not a big follower of england cricket)
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