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I agree with you Wal Bada, like I said he is effective - But I still rate Klusener as a better all rounder.
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Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy

Originally posted by Wal Bada

The quality called longevity also should be in the equation

I agree, but I do not rate him as a bowler, nobody in the world fears him... like I said effective, but as a quality allround I could name 10 better (i.e. Dev, Botham, Hadlee, Kallis, Waugh, Flintoff, Klusener, Pollock, Wasim Akram, Imran Khan)

That is the very fact that he became such an effective bowler. All oppositions just underrated his bowling, and Bingo! he gets the best of the opposition players!

All above players are quality. but Jayasuriya has won more matches than all the above players. And he'll walk in to any ODI team in the world with his batting, bowling, fielding and cunning cricket brain.  And unlike some of the above named he has a clean charachter certificate as well, which is also a contributory factor for a players greatness.



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Originally posted by 70_degree_spin


Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy


Originally posted by DRAVID FAN

Originally posted by mAni_paKi

Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy


Best ever ODI Player:

Batsmen - A toss up between Bevan and Tendulkar.

Fast Bowler - Wasim Akram

Spin Bowler - Saqlain Mushtaq

Keeper/Batsmen - Gilchrist

Fielders - A toss up between Rhodes and Ponting

All-rounder - Lance Klusener


Dont u think Kallis is better then Klusner.think abt it



Who the hell on Earth would put Bevan as the best Ever ODI batsman?
Only a fool (not insulting you MiNiWaRnEy). But why would you do such a
thing. Where on Earth do you get such ideas from. It's either Tendulkar
or Viv Richards.
AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA Where the hell were you in the 1990's??? You are a fool and many of your comments on this forum are totally ignorant


I agree with Miniwarney, Bevan was a fantastic batsman, I didn't realise
how good he was till I looked at his stats on cricinfo, look there
Dravid and youll see why miniwarney and i rate him so highly plus his
bowling was far more dangerous than Jayasuriya.


I don't know about his bowling, but Lara, Tendulkar, Inzamam, Ponting, Steve Waugh, Gilchrist, Jayasuriya, Dravid are all better than him.

70ds his stats were very good, but his performances weren't as good as the above mentioned players. I agree that he didn't come up the order, but he wasn't even as famous compared to players from his own team.
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Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy

Originally posted by DRAVID FAN

Originally posted by mAni_paKi

Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy


Best ever ODI Player:

Batsmen - A toss up between Bevan and Tendulkar.

Fast Bowler - Wasim Akram

Spin Bowler - Saqlain Mushtaq

Keeper/Batsmen - Gilchrist

Fielders - A toss up between Rhodes and Ponting

All-rounder - Lance Klusener


Dont u think Kallis is better then Klusner.think abt it



Who the hell on Earth would put Bevan as the best Ever ODI batsman? Only a fool (not insulting you MiNiWaRnEy). But why would you do such a thing. Where on Earth do you get such ideas from. It's either Tendulkar or Viv Richards.


AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Where the hell were you in the 1990's??? You are a fool and many of your comments on this forum are totally ignorant


I agree with Miniwarney, Bevan was a fantastic batsman, I didn't realise how good he was till I looked at his stats on cricinfo, look there Dravid and youll see why miniwarney and i rate him so highly plus his bowling was far more dangerous than Jayasuriya.
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Originally posted by Wal Bada

Originally posted by Rudurk

Man you aint got Rahul Dravid in there his the best batsman
but the best err id say Sachin coz he can ball to
See the heading mate. This is for best ever player. Not batsman. All aspects of the game ha s to be considered

PS:Please use proper English. This is not a chat room. Please see the posts of others and get an idea

i did choose sachin coz he can ball to bro read
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Originally posted by Wal Bada

The quality called longevity also should be in the equation

I agree, but I do not rate him as a bowler, nobody in the world fears him... like I said effective, but as a quality allround I could name 10 better (i.e. Dev, Botham, Hadlee, Kallis, Waugh, Flintoff, Klusener, Pollock, Wasim Akram, Imran Khan)
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The quality called longevity also should be in the equation
Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance
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Originally posted by Wal Bada

Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy

Best ever ODI Player:
Batsmen - A toss up between Bevan and Tendulkar.
Fast Bowler - Wasim Akram
Spin Bowler - Saqlain Mushtaq
Keeper/Batsmen - Gilchrist
Fielders - A toss up between Rhodes and Ponting
All-rounder - Lance Klusener

Best batsman - I thought it would be between Viv and Tendulkar

Best Wicket keeper Batsamn - ANDY FLOWER - pity that he was not in a stronger team, then he would have definietly beaten Gilly with stats.

All rounder - No one even mentions Jayasuriya. Only person to score 10000 and to take 290+ wickets



Not Andy Flower, not in ODIs and Jaya statistically is the best.. But I am thinking of quality... Anyone can bowl like Jaya, he is effective, but he is not a high class bowler.
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Originally posted by DRAVID FAN

Originally posted by mAni_paKi

Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy


Best ever ODI Player:

Batsmen - A toss up between Bevan and Tendulkar.

Fast Bowler - Wasim Akram

Spin Bowler - Saqlain Mushtaq

Keeper/Batsmen - Gilchrist

Fielders - A toss up between Rhodes and Ponting

All-rounder - Lance Klusener


Dont u think Kallis is better then Klusner.think abt it



Who the hell on Earth would put Bevan as the best Ever ODI batsman? Only a fool (not insulting you MiNiWaRnEy). But why would you do such a thing. Where on Earth do you get such ideas from. It's either Tendulkar or Viv Richards.


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Where the hell were you in the 1990's??? You are a fool and many of your comments on this forum are totally ignorant
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Greatest ODI all-rounder of all time would have to be Jacques Kallis & Lance Klusener,greatest ODI Batsman would have to be Sachin Tendulkar,greatest Keeper would have to be either Adam Gilchrist & Andy Flower but in 10 years time it will be Dhoni.

Great ODI spinner of all time would be Saqlain Mushtaq & Muttaih Muralitharan also Anil Kumble.Great ODI paceman of all time would quite easily be Wasim Akram.

Finally greatest ODI all-round (includes fielding,bowling & batting) player Sanath Jayasuriya & Sachin Tendulkar.I think there the two greats of this version of the game.
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        M   I   NO Runs   H/S Avg   Balls S/R 100 50
Batting 364 354 15 11104 189 32.75 12351 89.90 22 60
        M   Balls Runs Wkts B/B   Ang   E/R S/R   4 5
Bowling 364 12822 10238 278 6/29 36.82 4.79 46.12 6 4

His average is around 36 as an opener, Jayasuriya only became a reconizable force after he started to open the innings.

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Originally posted by mAni_paKi

Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy


Best ever ODI Player:

Batsmen - A toss up between Bevan and Tendulkar.

Fast Bowler - Wasim Akram

Spin Bowler - Saqlain Mushtaq

Keeper/Batsmen - Gilchrist

Fielders - A toss up between Rhodes and Ponting

All-rounder - Lance Klusener


Dont u think Kallis is better then Klusner.think abt it



Who the hell on Earth would put Bevan as the best Ever ODI batsman? Only a fool (not insulting you MiNiWaRnEy). But why would you do such a thing. Where on Earth do you get such ideas from. It's either Tendulkar or Viv Richards.
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I forgot about him. Whats his bowling average?
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Agreed on that note Wal...

Jayasuria's bowling is underrated in pajama cricket, the amount of wickets is testament that, especially when many only think of him as a bits n peices bowler!
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Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy

Best ever ODI Player:
Batsmen - A toss up between Bevan and Tendulkar.
Fast Bowler - Wasim Akram
Spin Bowler - Saqlain Mushtaq
Keeper/Batsmen - Gilchrist
Fielders - A toss up between Rhodes and Ponting
All-rounder - Lance Klusener

Best batsman - I thought it would be between Viv and Tendulkar

Best Wicket keeper Batsamn - ANDY FLOWER - pity that he was not in a stronger team, then he would have definietly beaten Gilly with stats.

All rounder - No one even mentions Jayasuriya. Only person to score 10000 and to take 290+ wickets



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Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy

Best ever ODI Player:
Batsmen - A toss up between Bevan and Tendulkar.
Fast Bowler - Wasim Akram
Spin Bowler - Saqlain Mushtaq
Keeper/Batsmen - Gilchrist
Fielders - A toss up between Rhodes and Ponting
All-rounder - Lance Klusener

Dont u think Kallis is better then Klusner.think abt it
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well i personally feel that Dravid is better then Bevan.Brilliant leader,great batsmen,responsible.After Sachin hes the best in the team.and he is also playing at no.3 spot ,not the easiest spot to bat on.
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It does mate because that means the opposition failed to bowl him out and Freddy has a fantastic bowling average in ODI's adn lets face it Lance Klusener is not a good bowler. He can bat better than Freddy but Freddy beats him overall. Klusener had one good tournament and before and since hasn't showed that sort of form.
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I agree except Klusener isn't quite as good as Flintoff in my opinion.
I just took a look at Bevans career in ODI's. WOW!!! I had no idea he
was that good. The only bad thing was he didn't make many centuries
like Tendulkar but thats because he went out at number 6. I would rate
him higher than Tendulkar. He averaged 53!!!!!



Remeber that average doesn't count. Dravid is such a good batsman. He is better than of the batsman today, but his average isn't all that high in ODIs. Just because Bevan had a lot of not outs and his average was high doesn't make him better than Sachin and Lara. Get that straight.
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I agree except Klusener isn't quite as good as Flintoff in my opinion. I just took a look at Bevans career in ODI's. WOW!!! I had no idea he was that good. The only bad thing was he didn't make many centuries like Tendulkar but thats because he went out at number 6. I would rate him higher than Tendulkar. He averaged 53!!!!!

 
At one stage it was 60
 
Klusener is superior to Flintoff in ODIs DEFINATELY!!! Compare their recors if you have to.
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I agree except Klusener isn't quite as good as Flintoff in my opinion. I just took a look at Bevans career in ODI's. WOW!!! I had no idea he was that good. The only bad thing was he didn't make many centuries like Tendulkar but thats because he went out at number 6. I would rate him higher than Tendulkar. He averaged 53!!!!!



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Best ever ODI Player:
Batsmen - A toss up between Bevan and Tendulkar.
Fast Bowler - Wasim Akram
Spin Bowler - Saqlain Mushtaq
Keeper/Batsmen - Gilchrist
Fielders - A toss up between Rhodes and Ponting
All-rounder - Lance Klusener
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Add to that, never had the taste of barrage of spinners as in current crickets, orthadox ones, unorthadox ones, doosras, quicker balls, Warnes, Mauralis and Saqlains. And not to mention Pakistan brand toe crushers with reverse swing off Wasim and Waqar.

Possibly he had very few legendary bowlers in his age. Lillee, Thommo, Hadlee, Kapil (early days), Imran (ealry days), Chandra, Quadir are the few I can remember. (add if there are more)

See the present,and see what a player like Tendulkar, Gilly or Jayasuriya confronts - Lee, Akthar, McGrath, Warne, Murali, Kumble, Harbhajan, Harmison, Saqlain, Wasim, Waqar, Bond, Pollock, Donald the variety is so much.

So if he was in current era, he may still have an Avg of upper forties, but his SR might come down to lower 80s or Upper 70s as these bowlers are probably the best in ODI's and are good wicket takes and restrictors of runs too.
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I thought someone would mention that, I admit that was fantastic. I amn't saying Viv  is a bad cricketer, I'm just saying he might not have hit quite so many centuries had he played for Pakistan or someone like that. Dont get me wrong, he is a true great and he's in my best XI in the bestXI thread.
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okay, not to worry.

I suggest you find a thread on the forum about the greatest one day innings ever, in which I go into detail about his 189* against England in 1984 - which was far for someone creaming it in while the going was easy. Or there was the 100 in the World Cup Final of 1979, that was pretty good too.
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I mean if after the 1st innings, the opposition had been bowled out for 200 and West Indies could bat more freely. I dont understand what you're asking?
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Sledger, he always did well when West Indies were coasting, look up cricinfo and look at his big scores, almost all of them were when the opposition had benn bowled out cheaply.


how could have have gotten a big score if the opposition had been bowled out cheaply?
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70 spin, lara has been in poor form lately but lara still amde some ton with a poor windies side like in the beginner of WC 2003. Viv richards is regarded as the best ODI batsman ever because of his attacking style and managed to average 47 which ain't no easy feat to accieve.

Wasim akram is my go for ODI bowler, a handy lower order batter as well but still, its Viv all the way for me.
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Sledger, he always did well when West Indies were coasting, look up cricinfo and look at his big scores, almost all of them were when the opposition had benn bowled out cheaply.
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Lara is terrible compared to 10 years ago, he averaged something like 70 then, and that was with all the great bowlers.
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