Best ever ODI player?

Originally posted by JP Barnes I would like to put in a vote for Andrew Symonds.The complete one day package.

Care to explain how Symonds' package is much complete than that of Imran's,Viv's or Jayasuriya's?

Originally posted by BruceDidgeridoo JP Barnes, mate, mateyou'll find no bigger supporter of Symmo than mebut this topic is called "best ever one day player". Symmo hasn't earned that tag, Bevo is the man.

As I know Bevan never capatined the side. Either lacked opportunity or was totally inept at it.

Tendulkar is the better ODI player then either of those,as proven by the poll.

I will conceed that the poll doesn't show everything,but I stil think Tendulkar is the best out of the people on the poll.

I did some research on this. I understood it as following.

a. The batsman score quicker in ODIs now. SR of 77 from Ranatunga is acutally higer than that of Jayawardane, because the latter played in an era of slow scoring.

b. Similarly, Average for batsmen and bowlers, SR and ER of the bowlers are also have changed with time.

c. To calculate the adjusted stat, the players stats were compared to that of all players that played during the same time period.

Results appeared as following

Adjusted Strike Rates

Pos	Player	Act	Adj
1	Shahid Afridi (ICC/Pak)	107.0	103.4
2	N Kapil Dev (India)	93.79	100.1
3	IVA Richards (WI)	90.14	98.10
4	Zaheer Abbas (Pak)	85.04	94.75
5	V Sehwag (ICC/India)	96.59	92.55
6	AC Gilchrist (Aus)	95.65	92.46
7	A Symonds (Aus)	93.69	90.04
8	L Klusener (SA)	91.14	89.15
9	Wasim Akram (Pak)	87.60	89.14
10	ST Jayasuriya (SL)	89.85	88.68
11	IT Botham (Eng)	79.44	85.89
12	GS Chappell (Aus)	75.70	85.80
13	MS Dhoni (India)	89.87	84.63
14	SR Tendulkar (India)	84.16	83.06
15	A Flintoff (Eng/ICC)	86.08	82.72
16	CL Cairns (NZ)	83.35	82.27
17	KP Pietersen (Eng/ICC)	87.05	81.98
18	DI Gower (Eng)	75.15	80.98
19	Ijaz Ahmed (Pak)	79.32	80.96
20	PA de Silva (SL)	79.55	80.95

Adjusted Averages

Pos	Player	Act	Adj
1	SE Bond (NZ)	20.86	20.0
2	NW Bracken (Aus)	21.50	20.6
3	J Garner (WI)	19.02	20.7
4	B Lee (Aus)	23.05	22.1
5	LS Pascoe (Aus)	20.11	22.2
6	GD McGrath (Aus)	22.80	22.4
7	AA Donald (SA)	22.53	22.5
8	AME Roberts (WI)	20.65	22.9
9	DK Lillee (Aus)	20.54	23.0
10	Saqlain Mushtaq (Pak)	23.55	23.3
11	MG Johnson (Aus)	24.64	23.4
12	MA Holding (WI)	21.43	23.4
13	Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ)	21.50	23.5
14	Shoaib Akhtar (ICC/Pak)	24.31	23.5
15	CG Rackemann (Aus)	22.35	23.6
16	Waqar Younis (Pak)	24.00	24.1
17	M Ntini (ICC/SA)	24.97	24.1
18	C Pringle (NZ)	23.87	24.4
19	M Muralitharan (ICC/SL)	25.09	24.6
20	SM Pollock (ICC/SA)	25.35	24.6

Edited by crapbag - 01 September 2008 at 6:09pm

crapbag posting the stats is okay , but posting them that large is not , cut it out.

Originally posted by Sledger crapbag posting the stats is okay , but posting them that large is not , cut it out.

Sledge, what's the browser you are using? it appears small in mine. I am using Opera.

It looks as following in my browser.


If the look is browser dependent, I don't know how to fix the problem.

OK, got a new rating going. The enlightment came from few good statisticians from a seperate forum.

I think I have explained adjusted average and adjusted strike rate.

Longetivity Index (LI) - It's easy to average 30 over 20 matches than to do it over 300 matches. There has to be some method to value long careers. over 95% of ODI batsmen have played between 1-197 matches in their career. I took 200 matches as the benchmark. Used a correction factor.

LI = 0.002 * (matches played - 200) + 1 (multiply by 0.002 means divide by 500)

Risk Index (RI) was taken as the product of Adjusted strike rate, Adjusted average and longelivity index. This means that producing an average of 40 with a SR of 60 takes same amount of risk as an average of 30 which is made at SR of 80.

Edited by crapbag - 02 September 2008 at 7:14pm

The surprise ones are Zaheer Abbas, Ganguly, Ranatunga and Dravid. Notable exception is Pietersen, who is at 39th position.

I'm sure I've seen something like that recently on cricinfo with Sachin Tendulkar top of the table with batting in ODI's.

Originally posted by crapbag The surprise ones are Zaheer Abbas, Ganguly, Ranatunga and Dravid. Notable exception is Pietersen, who is at 39th position.

Originally posted by crapbag Here are top 25 ODI batsmen according to my ratings Avg - Average, SR - Strike Rate, AA - Adjusted Average, ASR - ADjusted Strike rate, LI - Longetivity Index, RI - Risk Index The inclusion criteria - more than 500 runs.

wht happened to the all rounders  mate....they are some player in da list more than a batsman...they should reward some more points...(tendulkar..jayasuriya...kallis...klusener)

Playing Devil's Advocate , statistics doesn't cover all bases , Ian Botham in his pomp would walk into any one day side.