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    Posted: 25 September 2006 at 7:21am

Add to that, never had the taste of barrage of spinners as in current crickets, orthadox ones, unorthadox ones, doosras, quicker balls, Warnes, Mauralis and Saqlains. And not to mention Pakistan brand toe crushers with reverse swing off Wasim and Waqar.

Possibly he had very few legendary bowlers in his age. Lillee, Thommo, Hadlee, Kapil (early days), Imran (ealry days), Chandra, Quadir are the few I can remember. (add if there are more)

See the present,and see what a player like Tendulkar, Gilly or Jayasuriya confronts - Lee, Akthar, McGrath, Warne, Murali, Kumble, Harbhajan, Harmison, Saqlain, Wasim, Waqar, Bond, Pollock, Donald the variety is so much.

So if he was in current era, he may still have an Avg of upper forties, but his SR might come down to lower 80s or Upper 70s as these bowlers are probably the best in ODI's and are good wicket takes and restrictors of runs too.
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Best ever ODI Player:
Batsmen - A toss up between Bevan and Tendulkar.
Fast Bowler - Wasim Akram
Spin Bowler - Saqlain Mushtaq
Keeper/Batsmen - Gilchrist
Fielders - A toss up between Rhodes and Ponting
All-rounder - Lance Klusener
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I agree except Klusener isn't quite as good as Flintoff in my opinion. I just took a look at Bevans career in ODI's. WOW!!! I had no idea he was that good. The only bad thing was he didn't make many centuries like Tendulkar but thats because he went out at number 6. I would rate him higher than Tendulkar. He averaged 53!!!!!



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I agree except Klusener isn't quite as good as Flintoff in my opinion. I just took a look at Bevans career in ODI's. WOW!!! I had no idea he was that good. The only bad thing was he didn't make many centuries like Tendulkar but thats because he went out at number 6. I would rate him higher than Tendulkar. He averaged 53!!!!!

 
At one stage it was 60
 
Klusener is superior to Flintoff in ODIs DEFINATELY!!! Compare their recors if you have to.
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I agree except Klusener isn't quite as good as Flintoff in my opinion.
I just took a look at Bevans career in ODI's. WOW!!! I had no idea he
was that good. The only bad thing was he didn't make many centuries
like Tendulkar but thats because he went out at number 6. I would rate
him higher than Tendulkar. He averaged 53!!!!!



Remeber that average doesn't count. Dravid is such a good batsman. He is better than of the batsman today, but his average isn't all that high in ODIs. Just because Bevan had a lot of not outs and his average was high doesn't make him better than Sachin and Lara. Get that straight.
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It does mate because that means the opposition failed to bowl him out and Freddy has a fantastic bowling average in ODI's adn lets face it Lance Klusener is not a good bowler. He can bat better than Freddy but Freddy beats him overall. Klusener had one good tournament and before and since hasn't showed that sort of form.
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well i personally feel that Dravid is better then Bevan.Brilliant leader,great batsmen,responsible.After Sachin hes the best in the team.and he is also playing at no.3 spot ,not the easiest spot to bat on.
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Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy

Best ever ODI Player:
Batsmen - A toss up between Bevan and Tendulkar.
Fast Bowler - Wasim Akram
Spin Bowler - Saqlain Mushtaq
Keeper/Batsmen - Gilchrist
Fielders - A toss up between Rhodes and Ponting
All-rounder - Lance Klusener

Dont u think Kallis is better then Klusner.think abt it
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Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy

Best ever ODI Player:
Batsmen - A toss up between Bevan and Tendulkar.
Fast Bowler - Wasim Akram
Spin Bowler - Saqlain Mushtaq
Keeper/Batsmen - Gilchrist
Fielders - A toss up between Rhodes and Ponting
All-rounder - Lance Klusener

Best batsman - I thought it would be between Viv and Tendulkar

Best Wicket keeper Batsamn - ANDY FLOWER - pity that he was not in a stronger team, then he would have definietly beaten Gilly with stats.

All rounder - No one even mentions Jayasuriya. Only person to score 10000 and to take 290+ wickets



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Agreed on that note Wal...

Jayasuria's bowling is underrated in pajama cricket, the amount of wickets is testament that, especially when many only think of him as a bits n peices bowler!
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I forgot about him. Whats his bowling average?
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Originally posted by mAni_paKi

Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy


Best ever ODI Player:

Batsmen - A toss up between Bevan and Tendulkar.

Fast Bowler - Wasim Akram

Spin Bowler - Saqlain Mushtaq

Keeper/Batsmen - Gilchrist

Fielders - A toss up between Rhodes and Ponting

All-rounder - Lance Klusener


Dont u think Kallis is better then Klusner.think abt it



Who the hell on Earth would put Bevan as the best Ever ODI batsman? Only a fool (not insulting you MiNiWaRnEy). But why would you do such a thing. Where on Earth do you get such ideas from. It's either Tendulkar or Viv Richards.
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        M   I   NO Runs   H/S Avg   Balls S/R 100 50
Batting 364 354 15 11104 189 32.75 12351 89.90 22 60
        M   Balls Runs Wkts B/B   Ang   E/R S/R   4 5
Bowling 364 12822 10238 278 6/29 36.82 4.79 46.12 6 4

His average is around 36 as an opener, Jayasuriya only became a reconizable force after he started to open the innings.

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Greatest ODI all-rounder of all time would have to be Jacques Kallis & Lance Klusener,greatest ODI Batsman would have to be Sachin Tendulkar,greatest Keeper would have to be either Adam Gilchrist & Andy Flower but in 10 years time it will be Dhoni.

Great ODI spinner of all time would be Saqlain Mushtaq & Muttaih Muralitharan also Anil Kumble.Great ODI paceman of all time would quite easily be Wasim Akram.

Finally greatest ODI all-round (includes fielding,bowling & batting) player Sanath Jayasuriya & Sachin Tendulkar.I think there the two greats of this version of the game.
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Originally posted by DRAVID FAN

Originally posted by mAni_paKi

Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy


Best ever ODI Player:

Batsmen - A toss up between Bevan and Tendulkar.

Fast Bowler - Wasim Akram

Spin Bowler - Saqlain Mushtaq

Keeper/Batsmen - Gilchrist

Fielders - A toss up between Rhodes and Ponting

All-rounder - Lance Klusener


Dont u think Kallis is better then Klusner.think abt it



Who the hell on Earth would put Bevan as the best Ever ODI batsman? Only a fool (not insulting you MiNiWaRnEy). But why would you do such a thing. Where on Earth do you get such ideas from. It's either Tendulkar or Viv Richards.


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Originally posted by Wal Bada

Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy

Best ever ODI Player:
Batsmen - A toss up between Bevan and Tendulkar.
Fast Bowler - Wasim Akram
Spin Bowler - Saqlain Mushtaq
Keeper/Batsmen - Gilchrist
Fielders - A toss up between Rhodes and Ponting
All-rounder - Lance Klusener

Best batsman - I thought it would be between Viv and Tendulkar

Best Wicket keeper Batsamn - ANDY FLOWER - pity that he was not in a stronger team, then he would have definietly beaten Gilly with stats.

All rounder - No one even mentions Jayasuriya. Only person to score 10000 and to take 290+ wickets



Not Andy Flower, not in ODIs and Jaya statistically is the best.. But I am thinking of quality... Anyone can bowl like Jaya, he is effective, but he is not a high class bowler.
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The quality called longevity also should be in the equation
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Originally posted by Wal Bada

The quality called longevity also should be in the equation

I agree, but I do not rate him as a bowler, nobody in the world fears him... like I said effective, but as a quality allround I could name 10 better (i.e. Dev, Botham, Hadlee, Kallis, Waugh, Flintoff, Klusener, Pollock, Wasim Akram, Imran Khan)
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Originally posted by Wal Bada

Originally posted by Rudurk

Man you aint got Rahul Dravid in there his the best batsman
but the best err id say Sachin coz he can ball to
See the heading mate. This is for best ever player. Not batsman. All aspects of the game ha s to be considered

PS:Please use proper English. This is not a chat room. Please see the posts of others and get an idea

i did choose sachin coz he can ball to bro read
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Originally posted by DRAVID FAN

Originally posted by mAni_paKi

Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy


Best ever ODI Player:

Batsmen - A toss up between Bevan and Tendulkar.

Fast Bowler - Wasim Akram

Spin Bowler - Saqlain Mushtaq

Keeper/Batsmen - Gilchrist

Fielders - A toss up between Rhodes and Ponting

All-rounder - Lance Klusener


Dont u think Kallis is better then Klusner.think abt it



Who the hell on Earth would put Bevan as the best Ever ODI batsman? Only a fool (not insulting you MiNiWaRnEy). But why would you do such a thing. Where on Earth do you get such ideas from. It's either Tendulkar or Viv Richards.


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Where the hell were you in the 1990's??? You are a fool and many of your comments on this forum are totally ignorant


I agree with Miniwarney, Bevan was a fantastic batsman, I didn't realise how good he was till I looked at his stats on cricinfo, look there Dravid and youll see why miniwarney and i rate him so highly plus his bowling was far more dangerous than Jayasuriya.
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Originally posted by 70_degree_spin


Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy


Originally posted by DRAVID FAN

Originally posted by mAni_paKi

Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy


Best ever ODI Player:

Batsmen - A toss up between Bevan and Tendulkar.

Fast Bowler - Wasim Akram

Spin Bowler - Saqlain Mushtaq

Keeper/Batsmen - Gilchrist

Fielders - A toss up between Rhodes and Ponting

All-rounder - Lance Klusener


Dont u think Kallis is better then Klusner.think abt it



Who the hell on Earth would put Bevan as the best Ever ODI batsman?
Only a fool (not insulting you MiNiWaRnEy). But why would you do such a
thing. Where on Earth do you get such ideas from. It's either Tendulkar
or Viv Richards.
AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA Where the hell were you in the 1990's??? You are a fool and many of your comments on this forum are totally ignorant


I agree with Miniwarney, Bevan was a fantastic batsman, I didn't realise
how good he was till I looked at his stats on cricinfo, look there
Dravid and youll see why miniwarney and i rate him so highly plus his
bowling was far more dangerous than Jayasuriya.


I don't know about his bowling, but Lara, Tendulkar, Inzamam, Ponting, Steve Waugh, Gilchrist, Jayasuriya, Dravid are all better than him.

70ds his stats were very good, but his performances weren't as good as the above mentioned players. I agree that he didn't come up the order, but he wasn't even as famous compared to players from his own team.
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The quality called longevity also should be in the equation

I agree, but I do not rate him as a bowler, nobody in the world fears him... like I said effective, but as a quality allround I could name 10 better (i.e. Dev, Botham, Hadlee, Kallis, Waugh, Flintoff, Klusener, Pollock, Wasim Akram, Imran Khan)

That is the very fact that he became such an effective bowler. All oppositions just underrated his bowling, and Bingo! he gets the best of the opposition players!

All above players are quality. but Jayasuriya has won more matches than all the above players. And he'll walk in to any ODI team in the world with his batting, bowling, fielding and cunning cricket brain.  And unlike some of the above named he has a clean charachter certificate as well, which is also a contributory factor for a players greatness.



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I agree with you Wal Bada, like I said he is effective - But I still rate Klusener as a better all rounder.
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Originally posted by 70_degree_spin

his bowling was far more dangerous than Jayasuriya.

Bevan was just a crap-bag with the ball. usually short, and on slow tracks was fodder for batsmen.

He is a good batsman, brilliant fielder until he injured his shoulder, and a great finisher. But he never ever possessed the aura of Viv Richards, Sachin Tendulkar, Sanath Jayasuriya or Wasim Akram used to have around them. He never instilled fear to the opposition as above players, who coud tear apart attacks or batting line ups on their own



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He was useful and difficult to pick and for a few games was in a spin partnership with Shane Warne (no joke) he was that highly rated with the Aussie coaches.
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Ok here are stats for you. Jayasuriya vs Bevan in Bowling

BEVAN
Tests      M-18, Balls-1285, runs-703, wkts-29 BBi-6/82, BBm-10/113, Avg-24.24, ER-3.28, SR-44.31
ODIs      M-232, Balls-1966, Runs-1655, Wkts-36, BB-3/36, Avg-45.97, ER-5.05, SR-54.61

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Tests      M-105, Balls-7966, Runs-3271, Wkts-96, BBi-5/34, BBm-9/74, Avg-34.07, ER-2.46, SR-82.97     
ODIs      M-364, Balls-12822, Runs-10238, Wkts-278, BB-6/29, Avg-36.82, ER-4.79, SR-46.12

In ODIs Jayasuriya is miles ahead of Bevan. If you reduce that match against WI at Perth, Bevan's test bowling also looks like utter crap. He has bowled too few balls in test cricket to comment on Avg and SR
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Jayasuriya's economy rate in tests is amazing,Warne's career ER is 2.65 roughly and Kumble is roughly there as well. Though Bevan was a partnership breaker in tests his 6/82 and tenfor in the same match against South Africa a decade ago is what won them the match.
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Bevan ,jayasuriya ,Sachin are all odi greats so is Murali because of differen reasons .Cant see why Zulu's name is there ?
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Bevan's bowling was never great. He bowled once in a while. I don't know why you people are making such a fuss bout him. By the 70DS, average doesn't say much. So just because he has a 50+average doesn't mean that he is a great player.
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This thread proves that it's becoming a batsman's game. The question was who is the best ever ODI player. Many of you'll have voted for players who bowl occasionally.

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