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    Posted: 22 December 2007 at 1:05pm
I know this may seem a bit early given that this years bt cup hasn't finished (and I've made a complete hash of it so far) however I don't think the main cup challenge cup divide is really working and I think I have a fair way of bringing the 2 cups together in a way that brings all managers back onto a level playing field so we know who the best manager on cricekt world is, not the person who's been playing the longest.
 
So I think there should be 3 new rules for this seasons cup
 
1. the eleven players in your team may cost no more than 11000 pounds (or 1000 pounds per player)
2. No players may be youth pulls from your own squad (in other words every player in your team must be brought off the TM)
3. None of the players in your squad may have been trained by you
 
I'll PM rifat about this as he doesn't seem to post a lot now, I would think he will be managing it if he agrees to the idea, but before I asked him I thought I might see what you guys make of this new idea. Also you may think this will leave your team out of pocket, but so long as none of the players you buy have huge wages and you play a friendly every week with the team you will actually make a profit (according to some calculations I read on the sledging boards)
 
So what does everyone think? A good idea or a waste of time and money.
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 eerrrrrrrrrrr, i would do it yeah...
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but could we do it on rating, for example every player must be under 4000 and you can have youre own players, because ima bit short of cash at the moment, how about we have to have at least 7 players that arent yours, and maybe a star player that has to have a rating under 10,000

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basing it on btr isn't a clever idea really, because btr is so affected by form, you can buy players who are losing btr but still have quite good stats, they will regain form eventually and then they'll be better. I don't think this tournament will be that financially bad either, it will cost 11000 to buy the players, then lets say they have wages of 400 a week, thats 4400 on wages per week. Most of us take in 5000 minimum for friendlys which means you actually make money. Even if you don't count friendlys because you play them anywayit won't cost you more then 70,000, but in return your first teamers PFL is saved, so you get more money or a better PFL, depending on which way you look at it

I can see your problem though monty 70,000 for a team like yours is a fair chunk of money for a new team, can you post up your worst 5 players and if they're really bad I might be able to let at least some of them in, which would save you money.
 
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Eddie Clarke - 18 yo, BT Rating=1,632
LH Batsman, LFM Bowler, worthless batting form, worthless bowling form, sublime
defensive player with respectable leadership skills and abysmal experience.
Stamina: worthless Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: competent Concentration: woeful
Bowling: worthless Consistency: worthless
Fielding: worthless    
 
 
Eddie Daly - 22 yo, BT Rating=1,995
LH Batsman, LFM Bowler, worthless batting form, proficient bowling form, sublime
An attacking player with abysmal leadership skills and woeful experience.
Stamina: feeble Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: abysmal Concentration: abysmal
Bowling: feeble Consistency: abysmal
Fielding: mediocre    
 
Simon Seaborne - 20 yo, BT Rating=1,684
RH Batsman, RFM Bowler, strong batting form, competent bowling form, sublime
cautious player with competent leadership skills and abysmal experience.
Stamina: woeful Wicket Keeping: abysmal
Batting: woeful Concentration: feeble
Bowling: abysmal Consistency: mediocre
Fielding: woeful    
 
Lenny Dhanda - 21 yo, BT Rating=2,395
LH Batsman, LH Spin Bowler, woeful batting form, abysmal bowling form, sublime
destructive player with strong leadership skills and worthless experience.
Stamina: feeble Wicket Keeping: mediocre
Batting: abysmal Concentration: feeble
Bowling: abysmal Consistency: woeful
Fielding: mediocre
 
Steve Nosworth - 26 yo, BT Rating=2,420
RH Batsman, RM Bowler, feeble batting form, mediocre bowling form, sublime
An attacking player with respectable leadership skills and worthless experience.
Stamina: worthless Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: competent Concentration: abysmal
Bowling: abysmal Consistency: feeble
Fielding: feeble    
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Yeah, you could probably use them, I've had a look on the TM and you can get players like that for 1000 pounds, so can you compete now monty?
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yes indeedTongue
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I can play too but I am confused. So the players we buy can't be trained rite? and how would you know if they players bought are under 1000. I actually bought players for friendlies already. Can I use 'em. Are we going to use same 11 players every week.? 
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my latest addition to my " under 10,000 squad"
 
Paul Dunning - 18 yo, BT Rating=3,938
RH Batsman, RF Bowler, superb batting form, competent bowling form, sublime
steady player with woeful leadership skills and worthless experience.
Stamina: mediocre Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: abysmal Concentration: competent
Bowling: abysmal Consistency: mediocre
Fielding: feeble    
 
 
proof:
 
22/12/2007 Bought Paul Dunning for £2500.
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slogger would it be ok to use a guy tjhat you have just developed from a youth academy?
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guy no.7, pretty please with this one
 
 
Christopher Robinson - 22 yo, BT Rating=3,125
RH Batsman, RH Spin Bowler, worthless batting form, feeble bowling form, sublime
steady player with abysmal leadership skills and abysmal experience.
Stamina: mediocre Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: mediocre Concentration: abysmal
Bowling: abysmal Consistency: competent
Fielding: mediocre    
 
 
22/12/2007 Bought Christopher Robinson for £2000.
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Hey monty. Didn't slogger say that maximum you can spend is 11000. That's like 1000 for one player. 

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yep, but i only need to buy 6 players
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Originally posted by Monty

slogger would it be ok to use a guy tjhat you have just developed from a youth academy?


He already stated no youth pulls.
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You're lucky. I will post my five worst players and see if slogger allows that.Smile
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mine genuiley are though, ,my worlst players, only 1 out of those 5 has ever played a match for me, so no cheating please
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you can see that through guy's history. 
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I may not get five worst players who have not played a match since I have been playing them lately because my original squad PFL got quite low.
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can i play these players who are already in my squad:

Anirudhha Mohammed - 21 yo, BT Rating=2,884
LH Batsman, LFM Bowler, mediocre batting form, superb bowling form, sublime
An attacking player with mediocre leadership skills and worthless experience.
Stamina: mediocre Wicket Keeping: feeble
Batting: feeble Concentration: feeble
Bowling: abysmal Consistency: mediocre
Fielding: woeful    


Jagmohan Chanderpaul - 25 yo, BT Rating=2,402
RH Batsman, LF Bowler, woeful batting form, respectable bowling form, invigorated
An attacking player with strong leadership skills and woeful experience.
Stamina: woeful Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: abysmal Concentration: mediocre
Bowling: feeble Consistency: feeble
Fielding: mediocre    


George Sishayi - 17 yo, BT Rating=5,187
LH Batsman, LH Spin Bowler, superb batting form, proficient bowling form, fresh
cautious player with respectable leadership skills and abysmal experience.
Stamina: worthless Wicket Keeping: abysmal
Batting: mediocre Concentration: worthless
Bowling: feeble Consistency: respectable
Fielding: abysmal    

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I'm liking the essence of Slogger's idea, how he's aiming to nullify the amount of time a manager has been playing. However, I think the structure is a bit messy. What should be developed is actually like a fantasy draft from your squad, i.e. each team can have two players who have wages over 1000, but under 2000, 5 players with wages between 500 and 1000 and 4 players between 350 and 500... or something similar. This means that managers must meet mandatory brackets, meaning that each teams players are similar in ability.

This also means that we're not going to waste money buying players and will allow the competition to even itself out, giving each manager parameters with which they must compete. 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote canadiancricket Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 December 2007 at 9:01pm
I like your idea bondy but then players over 1000 are good players. Maybe any players under 1000. Wink


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The actual structure can be tinkered with, except I think there should be an opportunity for 1-2 teams to have a player over 1000, as most teams only sport these players.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote canadiancricket Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 December 2007 at 9:05pm
Yeah but then since you guys are playing for a long time. spending some cash to get those players won't be a big deal but new manager like us will have difficulty fielding our one or two best players as their PFL won't go up. Afterall we only have one or two players who are good.
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Good point, I'm ok with any player under 1000, though I think the brackets I proposed should be adhered to.

Let's see what other members think too.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote canadiancricket Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 December 2007 at 9:12pm
Yeah I like your idea better even though I have already spent 11000. It's makes for fair play and easier to follow. 
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I reckon we should have a vote on this
 
I've had 4 ideas proposed so far
 
1) Monty's btr ratings idea
2) My 11000 pound idea
3) Bondy's wage cap idea (2)
4) I've also spoken to rifat who wants to do the cup with skills (e.g below respectable)
 
So which idea do all you guys want to go with? Most votes for any of the cup formats wins, votes have to be in by Thursday at midmight. No-one can vote for their own idea and I personnaly think bondy's is the best so I'll vote for him.
 
Oh and as for the running of the cup Rifat will decide if he's going to do it in 10 days time and if not then I'll do it if no-one else wants to, but I'd really rather someone else did it this time around if rifat can't


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If you really don't want to do it then I propose MP12, but he's got his hands fill with the Xi threads...

Quick everyone, vote!

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No I don't think it's fair on MP12, he's doing a lot as it is, I'll run it unless someone else volunteers to run it instead, rifat may also decide to run it as well
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I'd go with bondy idea too. This is my vote right or do we PM you. Or maybe you can make a poll.
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