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wolves f c1 
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 Topic: Chaminda Vaas - Bowler or All-RounderPosted: 09 July 2007 at 9:33pm |
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Is Chaminda Vaas a bowler or all-rounder (in your opinion)?
I really don't know, because all games etc. say he is a bowler but he is 5th in the all-rounder ratings!! so I don't know
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bondy
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 12:34am |
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Bowler, but useful with the bat.
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Good one Graham!
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fishcake14
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 9:42am |
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Chaminda Vaas is in the side as a bowler; he is competent with the bat ,although his only century with the bat was against Bangladesh.
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bondy
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 10:13am |
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Vettori is more of an allrounder than him, that's for sure.
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Good one Graham!
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143no
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 11:50am |
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Their records are very similar with the bat, I can't really split them, both average around 24 with the bat in tests, both probably have more claim to beign an allrounder than watson.
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bondy
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 12:54pm |
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Vettori did get 150 odd against Pakistan in Hamilton a few years ago. Not only was it against a half-decent bowling attack but that's a tough pitch to bat on.
Looking at their averages is not the best way to compare. Vettori, in both forms of the game, has often rescued NZ and put in a decent partnership. He was even tried at #5 at one point; not to be underestimated that's for sure.
Key an eye out for James Franklin too. Technically one of NZ's best batsman, an excellent eye also.
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Good one Graham!
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143no
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 1:54pm |
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ODI average is very similar too, they have both been around for a long time, so it's not a bad way to judge, that and the fact I have watched them both bat and I don't think 1 stands out from the other. It's a worry if Franklyn is one of the best, he is below watson in ability.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 5:39pm |
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Which leads me to say technique isn't everything. Getting the bat on ball in time and hitting it off the middle is important too!
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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fishcake14
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 10:36pm |
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Yeah, well said SW. I watched a guy at my club who had his action completely changed and he couldn't bowl. I told him to bowl what he had bowled before he changed his action and he bowled so much better; more pace, more accurate - everything was better. OK, it might not look technically perfect, but it works for him and that's far more important, I think.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 11:05pm |
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Chanderpaul and Malinga are 2 good examples!
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wolves f c1
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Posted: 12 July 2007 at 10:27pm |
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come on people back on topic please
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Posted: 13 July 2007 at 6:14am |
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Vaas is no mug with the bat , but the definition of a genuine allrounder has always been that the individual could make the side as a batsman or bowler.
If we take that as gospel then it's clear that Vaas is not an allrounder , but someone who bowls and bats a bit. Remember , that ton came against Bangladesh , don't get carried away fellas. |
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wolves f c1
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Posted: 13 July 2007 at 10:35pm |
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yes Sledger, that may be true, but I wouldn't put Collingwood in team for just bowling.
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Posted: 14 July 2007 at 12:45am |
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erm, yes and your point is?
Collingwood is a batsman who can bowl a bit. |
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spin wizard
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Posted: 14 July 2007 at 12:51am |
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I'll pick Collingwood on his fielding alone. 3 of the best catches I've seen in my life have been taken by him - all one handed stunners above the head!
Edited by spin wizard - 14 July 2007 at 12:52am |
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Posted: 14 July 2007 at 9:16am |
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Yes but Collingwood is Alledgedly an all-rounder, when he is quite blaitantly a part-timer |
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143no
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Posted: 14 July 2007 at 10:19am |
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I don't think he has been considered more than a part time bowler, ODI's he does a bit of bowling, but he is only somthing different to try, not a frontliner.
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Posted: 18 July 2007 at 10:42am |
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I class Collingwood's lil seamers on a par with Hansie Cronje's. If the
batsman takes a liberty , a touch of lateral movement or change of pace
can lead to his undoing. Then when he's got his stick you take
him off sharpish before he starts to think he's a genuine bowler!
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143no
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Posted: 18 July 2007 at 10:52am |
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He won't get good batsmen out on good wickets.
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Posted: 18 July 2007 at 11:15am |
Spot on. I would call Vaas a genuine bowler, who can hold the bat.
Much like the lower order batsmen of Australia (past and present): Brett Lee, Jason Gillespie, Shane Warne, McGrath (
 joking). And also players like Kumble and Saqlain Mushtaq... etc.He would not really go in the category of a Wasim Akram, Heath Streak or a Daniel Vettori. I mean Gillespie got a 200 against the Bangladeshi side, and nobody touted him as an all rounder. Everybody just laughed.
Don't take this seriously - Wasim Akram got 257* against Zim with 12 sixes (or something like that) --> so you do not have to be quality to get big scores against nothing attacks.
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See you later Gilly! Thanks for the memories! |
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Posted: 19 July 2007 at 8:20pm |
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He aint half usefull though, if Harmy would would on his batting, he'd be just as good
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Posted: 20 July 2007 at 6:51am |
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I'd say that Warne's batting ,especially in the latter part of
his international career, was at least as useful as
Vaas. He made some fine half centuries against the better sides
around the world .
That ton remained elusive and maybe someone here can answer this question. How many times did Warne get to bat against Zim and Bangladesh? My gutfeel is that he didn't get many goes at all , if any! Edited by Sledger - 20 July 2007 at 6:52am |
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Posted: 20 July 2007 at 7:35am |
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Maybe once against Zimbabwe. He played in the inaugral one-off test in Zimbabwe in 1999 (Healy's last match).
Warne played 2 games against Bangladesh I believe, in the latest series last yr (i.e. remember the 200 Dizzy got). He probably batted twice.
He has also played very few ODIs against these sides (I think he played one vs Bang. in the 99 WC - didn't bat) and quite a few actually versus Zim (But seldom needed to bat, Aust. has only ever lost to Zim once - 1975 or 1979 WC in the inaugaral ODI between the two sides).
(Remember Warne was out with his 1 yr ban during the home series versus Zim and Bang).
Warne scored some marvellous, absolutely superb 50+ scores against England (almost got a ton -what a shame). And he has also played some good innings versus NZ (99, 74*), Pakistan (86), India (86), and other teams too.
Warne was a good batsman as a kid too, but he threw his wicket away too easily. Once he gets passed 20 he is formidable, he has a lot of ducks - a bad started I guess - and he also played abt 200 innings from maybe 130 tests - nto a lot.
(These stats are all off the top of my head, correct me if I am wrong) |
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See you later Gilly! Thanks for the memories! |
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