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    Posted: 25 August 2008 at 2:49pm
It won't happen next year either.
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That same thought struck my mind too 143 so that's why I think it should have gone to Sri Lanka this year.  So what are they gonna do, postpone it every year?  ICC made a blunder there in my book.
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Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

I wish I could write as good as him http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/iccct2008/content/story/366169.html
He has spoken the hearts out of the pakistani people
 
brilliant article there by osman samiuddin, that really sums it up perfectly. you get a scary feeling after reading it, and that feeling is that if this continues it could well mean the death of cricket in pakistan.
 
the only ray of hope is the fact that RSA and ENG have completed full tours in PAK in yrs 2007 and 2005, at the moment i'm only hopeful that they'll do so again. we can't have any such expectations from AUS though.
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Thats not a ray of hope, those teams toured and SA were the 1st to pull out, meaning they won't go back till the problems settle. Five teams refused to travel to Pakistan, not only Australia, that article was nothing more than emotional frustration.

 
Pakistan fans need to respect that even though bombings have become part of their lives, it scares other people, these players are not soldiers, they are just cricketers, most with young families. I personally know I would struggle to do anything with heavily guarded soldiers shadowing me everywhere I went and the constant worry of what could happen.
 
The fact that article has a pot shots at Australia is a joke and paints the writer in a poor light.
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When SAF toured, pakistan was facing more problems and the security situation was even worse that it is today. It is simply just not ONLY security. The fact that IPL brings so much ease to the players' bank accounts that they can afford missing international assignments speically in a country like pakistan where they will find it hard to have those luxuries of night clubs and all.
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No Zuhair, that is rubbish and an invalid point.
 
The IPL was staged using individual players, players that were happy to go and felt the money compensated for the danger, the same as any westerner working in Pakistan.
 
The boards of the 5 nations that pulled out did not send teams to the IPL.
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Why did the boards do it is an open secret mate. The players were not ready and that is a no brainer. How would you justify Australia not toring PAkistan in the last 10 years? When every other team has travelled more than once in the mean while? Are thier lives more important than the english players or what? Or did they face a specific threat from the militants? Australia's behavior towards pakistan is very obvious and it is for everyone to see

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I am feeling so sad, I am 100 % sure there is no chance that the tournamant will be held in Pakistan in 2009, The four nation showed reservations about security (which is a stupid isuue). Pakistan is 100% safe country for the sports atleast Pakistan is more safe for cricketers than Australia.
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The fact that those sides are refusing to go back justifies the aussies position perfectly.

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I am feeling so sad, I am 100 % sure there is no chance that the tournamant will be held in Pakistan in 2009, The four nation showed reservations about security (which is a stupid isuue). Pakistan is 100% safe country for the sports atleast Pakistan is more safe for cricketers than Australia.

 
Posts like this show how you guys are letting emotion and disapointment rule your minds and mouths. Do you know what 100% means?
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You mean thier not travelling fro last 10 years is justified on the basis of teams pulling out today??? No comments there.

And I was actually surprised over SAF pull out before any other nation. Dont they have the highest murder rate among the test playing nations. If I remember correctly there are some 20k people killed every year. My GOD, this is some serious problem, hope Tim May is having a look at that issue.
 
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143, you are generalizing while you are only quoting greenplane. I am sure he has one mouth and one mind
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England might have toured Pakistan but there were regions that they simply wouldn't play in , and purely on safety grounds.  143 is right , don't take the refusal to tour as an insult , no game is worth dying for no matter how little the risk.
          Yes SA has an appalling murder rate , but it isn't terrorist driven. Like many countries around the world tourists are warned where not to visit and to be vigilant at all times. Sadly figures show that the massive majority of victims are from the poorest communities who have little choice in where they stay or frequent.  It's the greatest problem facing the ANC and in 14 years they've made little impression. Until poverty and unemployment are addressed properly the murders will continue without respite.
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I wish it was that simple Sledge. It has been repeatedly said but it is wort mentioning YET again that has security been the sole issue, we would have seen western players running out of india during IPL after Jaipur blasts.
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It is that simple and I have explained why that statment makes no sense.
 
 
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as if explanations will solve it mate!!! If the sport is not worth dying for, which is very true, then it should hold true for Jaipur and London as well, no matter the cause of the bombs etc
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Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

I wish it was that simple Sledge. It has been repeatedly said but it is wort mentioning YET again that had security been the sole issue, we would have seen western players running out of india during IPL after Jaipur blasts.
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Comparing the bombings in England to Pakistans unstability in recent times shows how far away you are with your argument.
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how recent mate? 10 years? Certainly not. And if you reead back carefully I was responding to Sledge's comment where he said no sport is worth the risk of life no matter how little.
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as if explanations will solve it mate!!! If the sport is not worth dying for, which is very true, then it should hold true for Jaipur and London as well, no matter the cause of the bombs etc
 
absolutely, that just sums it up. there should be some consistency.
 
i'm not blaming these 4-5 nations, i understand their concerns, but then again the consistency is not there.
 
for eg (and mind you just an example, i'm not saying ahmedabad is not safe): IND has also seen several terrorist attacks in the recent past. ahmedabad is a venue for a test match against AUS, and the city has witnessed major blasts last month and the very next day as many as over 25 live bombs were diffused in surat, still cricket australia have not even asked for a change of venue let alone cancelling the tour!!!! they have not even sent a security team to monitor the situation in the city.
 
is it all because the BCCI is powerful and the PCB very weak??? thats exactly what osman was pointing out in his article, "if it's PAK it can be ignored". thats the sort of mentality.
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Come on guys, get real, no one will tour a place that's live with terrorist attacks.  I know I won't be going!

Terrorist activities and murder are different things.  Most murders occur when someone con someone or do them something or the other.  Terrorist attack on the other hand kills many innocent ones, no matter who you are.  If you're in the right place at the wrong time, god help you.
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This one is for Zuhair, Green plane, Sam etc...

"Let's be honest. When our own people are not safe in the country, then how can we guarantee the safety of foreigners?"
Abdul Qadir supports the postponement of the Champions Trophy
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Posts like this show how you guys are letting emotion and disapointment rule your minds and mouths. Do you know what 100% means?
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 Yeah I know what 100 % means, Man you are trying to  run away by saying that we are emotional you should accept that aus have double standard.
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Originally posted by spin wizard

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"Let's be honest. When our own people are not safe in the country, then how can we guarantee the safety of foreigners?"
Abdul Qadir supports the postponement of the Champions Trophy

 
first you read this what lawson and simon think about this issue
 
 
and if anyone think this is not enough than ask  Lisa camilleri, an australian squash player who recently won a tournamant in Pakistan. She appreciated the security arrangements by Pakistani officials.
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SpinWizard- I could have gone on quoting dozens of players above Qadir's stature who blasted this postponment and the reasons cited by the westerners. I have come across this thing that we are here to discuss and not to convince. When conlusions have been drawn prior to discussion, there is very little chance of that being changed.
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This one is for Zuhair, Green plane, Sam etc...

"Let's be honest. When our own people are not safe in the country, then how can we guarantee the safety of foreigners?"
Abdul Qadir supports the postponement of the Champions Trophy

 
first you read this what lawson and simon think about this issue
 
 
and if anyone think this is not enough than ask  Lisa camilleri, an australian squash player who recently won a tournamant in Pakistan. She appreciated the security arrangements by Pakistani officials.
 
What about the rest of lisa's story, she was very close to a bomb blast that killed over 60, she was quoted as saying that she was very nervous and found it hard to think about playing squash, she just wanted to get through the tourament and return home monday, hardly suitable conditions.
 
The 2 people you have quoted are individuals, I am sure you would have found 11 players willing to tour Pakistan but the board used common sense and made the decision for them.
 
The selfishness of  Pakistan fans is disgraceful, if it was cricket you cared about you would happily watch while your team plays at neutral venues for however long it takes, trying to improve and at least playing games.
 
5 countries refused to visit, 3 with recent visits to Pakistan, thats not hypocrisy, it's the cricket world saying Pakistan is not a place they feel safe playing in. You can bet if India didn't need Pakistan they wouldn't be going either.
 
Again, nobody have said anything bad against Pakistan or their people, and the way you are acting about countries cricket sides are mind baffling.  This white hypocrisy that is being written about is absolute rubbish, posts suggesting white countries band together and try to keep pakistan down would be laughable if it wasn't so serious.
 
 
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Come on guys, Chill it out, Cricket it's just a game. Zuhair I also have many family in Pakistan, they are cool with what happend, they are not taking it so personally. They are just hoping PAK gets better, they have more things to worry about then champions trophy.
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Originally posted by spin wizard

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"Let's be honest. When our own people are not safe in the country, then how can we guarantee the safety of foreigners?"
Abdul Qadir supports the postponement of the Champions Trophy

 
don't get me wrong SW, i maintain that the concerns are very much acceptable, but what i was trying to say is that there should be some consistency in these decisions.
 
my other concern is that how can the PCB ever convince these nations to tour PAK, because they did what all they could have but still couldn't convince them.
 
anyways i'm hoping for the best, i read in "times of india" newspaper yesterday that cricket australia has said "we are keen to tour PAK in april" and players like shane watson have said "i'd go anywhere to play for my country"... i appretiate that and hope all nations try their best in resuming cricket in the country.
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I appretiate that and hope all nations try their best in resuming cricket in the country.


 Sam your logic is upside down. It's the authorities in Pakistan who must try their best to return Pakistan to normality.
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