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kirankri
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Topic: Corruption in cricketPosted: 18 February 2011 at 7:56am |
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I agree with Zuhair. As long as they are not allowed to play in any form of cricket, I am fine.
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flipper
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Posted: 18 February 2011 at 10:20am |
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He'll be there to analyse no balls!
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 18 February 2011 at 4:08pm |
I agree sledge, absolutely, my only point was that we need not stop them from going for alternatives just like what Zuhair and Kiran have agreed up on.
One question though for all cricket fans... does it mean if Aamer gets a chance after say 5-6 years to re-enter cricket, will the world accept him, given that he has served his punishment? Will the ICC accept him?
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 19 February 2011 at 5:53am |
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Not so sure - Pakistan will surely have found another bowling talent by then - maybe Junaid Khan is the next Amir -I am afraid Amir's chances of being accepted appear remote - and that is not a loss to cricket.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 21 February 2011 at 2:50am |
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All's not lost for Amir - Warne was taken back, so was Asif and Akhtar for their steroid use and countless other. As time goes by, those things go further in the back of people's mind. It won't be forgotten but they'll be less harsh in 3 years than they are now.
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vote4peace
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Posted: 01 March 2011 at 7:46am |
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Didn't know where else to post this....
ICC probes Aus-Zim WC match. ICC has carried out a scrutiny of the Australia and Zimbabwe WC match played in Ahmedabad after the Australian openers batted slowly in the first 10-15 overs Sources aware of developments said the ICC ACSU had carried out a quiet review of the match after questions were raised over the slow start taken by Watson and Haddin. Australian team coach Tim Nielsen has defended his openers saying they played slowly according to the situation. Plenty of fuss was also raised over the India and England match after former Australian leg-spinner Shane Warne correctly tweeted seven hours before the start of the match that it would be a tie. Hmmm, wonder where and when will all this end. Guess there will always be doubts in a few minds forever now. |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 01 March 2011 at 7:53am |
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It seems rubbish to me really. The Zimbabwe bowlers bowled pretty well first up and it was not easy out there for the batters. Period.
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Posted: 01 March 2011 at 2:49pm |
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And now:......
Sri Lanka batsman Mahela Jayawardene has taken legal advice over doubts raised on a state-run TV channel about the way he and another batsman performed in the World Cup defeat by Pakistan. Will this ever end now? |
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Amal
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Posted: 01 March 2011 at 5:41pm |
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All this is so RUBBISH
I can't understand why people make their own conclusions without having any evidence.
Zimbabwe bowled pretty well, Shane warne's prediction was just a prediction and nothing else, and Mahela was out on a beautiful delivery bowled by Shoaib. Seriously, we live in a world where people make their own perceptions and interpret them in the way they want. |
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 01 March 2011 at 7:58pm |
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yeah, Zimbabwe bolwers are no rubbish bowlers, Price in fact is one of the best in the business.
Also it is impossible to "FIX" a game to be as close as a tie, one wide ball, one inside edge onto the stumps can make all the difference. Warne's prediction has to be a fluke. No one can guessa tie before the game, I think he just got lucky.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 02 March 2011 at 5:42am |
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And here comes the man who was rightly called a 'buffoon' by Giles Clarke I think. Ijaz Butt when provoked by the local media yesterday said that we will talk to the CC over both these things and demand Shane Warne to be trialled. Some things never change - and Ijaz Butt is one.
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Sledger
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Posted: 02 March 2011 at 5:45am |
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Warne's prediction was tongue in cheek and must be treated accordingly. The accusations against Sri Lanka and Jayawardene personally are more serious and completely without foundation.That a commentator of a local station should air such scurrulous opinions without any foundation has left him open to legal proceedings. Jayawardene is a true gent and someone who doesn't like to create waves but if he feels his good name has been tarnished might well after taking legal advise , take this further.
Add to that the snidey suggestions about the Aussie openers , these are situations that cricket and this world cup simply doesn't need. Australia won convincingly , that the bowling tied them down initially is nothing new in any form of cricket , but they broke the shackles later and won well. These are experienced players and know how to build an innings - how often does Sachin start slowly and still get his hundred at almost a run a ball ? It's all nonsense , I'm with Amal and Sam - let's get on with the cricket. Edited by Sledger - 02 March 2011 at 5:46am |
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spin wizard
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Posted: 02 March 2011 at 12:44pm |
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Shane Warne is no longer a Cricketer so how can the ICC trial him or am I missing something here? Anyhow, it's practically impossible to fix a game to end in a tie. Suppose with the loss run to go the bowler misses his radar and bowl a wide, or the guy try to take a rash heave to get bowl and the ball moves and takes an edge? I don't think any one who knows anything about Cricket will try that fix.
I got to admit I was a bit bemused by the slow start of the Aussies, especially Watson, he usually goes gun blazing but I figured it was because of the fragile middle order that they took that approach. I didn't get to see if the bowling was any good or if the pitch was a bit challenging earlier....
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 1:42pm |
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The match fixing Pandora box is open again. Hashan Tilikaratne says he will reveal h the names soon adding the SRL players have been involved in match fixing since 1992. Now then.
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vote4peace
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 2:51pm |
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Good lesson that crime can never be hidden forever. You go ahead Tilikaratne.
Hopefully it can bring this menace to an end.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 3:20pm |
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Tilikeratne is taking a big move here!
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Mikey
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 3:58pm |
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Whistleblowers never win. Protection for whistleblowers is minimal, I can't imagine why he'd bother doing such a thing unless he's getting some insane amount of money in a book deal - which I highly doubt.
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Amal
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 4:45pm |
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 5:19pm |
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It is a big statement, I hope Hashan realizes how serious these accusations are, and if at all it has any truth in it then I must say cricket will lose a lot of fans. Hashan although hasn't directly said but has given clear hints that he thinks even the WC final was fixed, he ahs said things like why 4 new players were selected for the finals, Mendis was surprisingly dropped and the Lankan WC squad announcement was surprisingly made very early, 13 days before the dead line and even before their domestic tournament concluded.
very very serious allegations. If at all he comes up with proof and names this will carry weight otherwise it's all nothing. However, the reputation of cricket as a game has suffered very heavily in the last few months.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 6:00pm |
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We can't say anything about what has been going on since '92 , investigations will bring truth out. What was he doing all these years ? Is he trying to defame the current govt as he is in opposition.Is it just a political mileage ? or was it a closely guarded secret.
Some of his lose comments
1. His comments about early selection does not hold much weightage.
2. Dropping Mendis - Any fool knows , Indians had literally destroyed Mendis . He was no more a secrect weapon.Infact he was more of liability against India.
3. Last and most stupid comment - That final match , SL players literally played their skins out. That Mahela's century, Malinga's initial breakthrough to remove Sachin-Shewag.There was absolutely was no hint of any underperformance from any of SL players.
Well when a man makes a statment like "WC final may have fixed" , he is out of his mind for sure. He might be right about his time team, they might have fixed.
This SL-2011 WC team really looked clean to me on all counts.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 7:37pm |
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Not the first time i'm hearing about Sri Lanka fixing games. For the 2009 T20 WC, I heard a West Indian saying he met a West Indian (not a west indian team player) somewhere in England he told him that the Sri lankan game vs West Indies was going to be fixed. Ofcourse, nothing like what he mentioned happened. Sri Lanka won the game!
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 30 April 2011 at 6:35am |
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I agree with Raj the final never looked fixed. Both team did their best to win it and the superior team on the day won. But hold on, I would not say that India have destroyed Mendis - they have not. He has taken 28 wickets against them in 167 matches under 25 a piece. That is not destruction by no means mate. One team that has actually had the better of him is Pakistan - which is why the Lankans never pick Mendis and instead play Herath when playing Pakistan.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 30 April 2011 at 10:10am |
Againt India: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/268739.html?class=2;opposition=6;template=results;type=bowling Against Pakistan: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/268739.html?class=2;opposition=7;template=results;type=bowling Yes, he was mystery entiry in the first test series against our middle order, but it was Gambhir and Shewag who showed how to tackle Mendis right from the start. They started treating Mendis as a medium pacer which was picked by all other teams. It was only after that initial 1 year period he lost his unknown entity power.
Some more stats to underline my point in last 10 ODI matches that Mendis played against India
10 Matches,9 Wickets,59.22 Avg,Eco - 5.71, SR -62.22 Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 30 April 2011 at 10:12am |
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 30 April 2011 at 10:58am |
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It is difficult to fix a game like the WC final and yes, SLN did gave a good fight and the game looked clean.
On Mendis, I think it was a selection error, people do well sometimes and sometimes they don't, if you by reputation of players against oppositions then some players will never play against some teams, mendis was in good form and it was a selection error, similarly Kapugedera getting picked ahead of Chamara was also a selection error. Also if he is going by reputation against Opposition, he should have perhaps picked Dilhara ahead of Kulasekara, Indian's play medium pacers pretty well, Dilhara with pace and bounce could have troubled them more. I thought one big reason why India won the WC was because they peaked at the right time and had that intensity to get them through, I was talking about that X factor during the tournament and that is what helped them. Say just comparing India and Pakistan, is there anyone in PAK who would get pumped up and roar like how Yuvraj did against Australia? I mean you need that kind of intensity to win big tournaments, teams like Australia, Pakistan and Srilanka missed that.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 30 April 2011 at 11:06am |
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I agree India deservedly won the WC. But match fixing or that sort is not just restricted to throwing away games - it could be anything -and we found that last summer in england - it could be a no ball only.
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Mikey
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Posted: 30 April 2011 at 11:24am |
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With Pakistan it's hard to pick it out unless someone is caught because they are just so damn inconsistent. They can play like rubbish one day and be a world beater the next, it's very much hit and miss with Pakistan. No doubt that their losses to BD in 99 and Ireland in 07 were simply just bad games on their part.
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Posted: 02 May 2011 at 7:48am |
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So I'm still waiting on you Hashan. What's taking so long...
Wonder if he's got his pay??? |
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Posted: 04 May 2011 at 6:11am |
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My question is a simple one - Why has it taken Hashan so long to suddenly come clean ? Call me a cynic , but something smells here. Mischief making at this time when cricket's trying to lift itself out of the dirt doesn't impress me at all. Now if there is a book in this , I for one won't be reading it!
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 05 June 2011 at 12:50pm |
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Mikey
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Posted: 07 June 2011 at 6:40am |
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Whenever an Asian team loses , especially by a large margin (and especially if it's Pakistan) then people cry match fixing. It's a well known fact that discipline and professionalism isn't as high among the Asian teams and they do sometimes fail! Put that together with the fact that collapses and dropped catches happen. Unless one has empirical evidence of match fixing, pulls out bank accounts and traces where all the money goes - which is an expensive, forensic accounting task, then you can't just cry foul about match fixing.
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