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Sledger 
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The judge will be passing sentence at 10am UK time - I hope it's on Sky here !
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 03 November 2011 at 6:15am |
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http://www.brecorder.com/home/br-research/single/421/999:all/2092:spot-fixing-the-wake-up-call/?date=2011-11-03
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Posted: 03 November 2011 at 6:37am |
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A fine article zuhair , nicely balanced highlighting the dangers that are still there if corruption is not irradicated from grass roots level upwards in Pakistani cricket. The time is ripe for the ICC to show it's teeth and investigate fully all the evidence from this sorry episode in all countries around the world - it's not just Pakistan that is infected.
I fear they'll do nothing because the can of worms is so huge that once other criminality is unveiled cricket could be filling the headlines for years to come for all the wrong reasons and sponsors will hurriedly withdraw from the tainted sport. Let's face it the 3 players were found guilty by the ICC and received wrist slapping penalties - the wrong doers still alive and kicking within the sport must have laughed themselves silly. After the sentencing today just maybe youngsters coming into the game will be scared enough to give the match fixers the finger and the sport will clean itself up as the dodgy players still around finally retire from the game. Edited by Sledger - 03 November 2011 at 6:37am |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 03 November 2011 at 6:46am |
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The dodgy ones will have to be careful before they again think of nay such thing. But yes you are right, it wont be the ICC taking the front seat - the players will do it on their won in the fear of what they have seen in this case. Whatever it takes, we want the game clean. It feels horrible that players cheat the other teams, the spectators, the fans, and the whole nation. I know my sentiments might be taking over - but I can't help much. I love this game from the core of my heart.
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Mikey
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Posted: 03 November 2011 at 6:54am |
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Fairly written piece I must say Zuhair. You speak a great deal about morality - which I agree with. I'm sure someone like Butt is fundamentally a good person, who was raised well. I think however it's more of a case of temptation (whether it be by money, sex or otherwise). If you read some of the reports, you'll see that Butt was saying to Majeed how other players not earning so much are driving mercedes vehicles and living in much larger homes than he is. Jealousy and temptation, owing to material wealth has played a big part. They've made money here simply because they can - not because they necessarily needed it. None of the cricketers that have ever accepted money were starving or that desperate for cash. |
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Posted: 03 November 2011 at 10:28am |
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JUDGE: ONLY JAIL SENTENCES WILL SUFFICE
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Max Power
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Posted: 03 November 2011 at 10:41am |
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Majeed - 2 years 8 months
Butt - 2 years 6 months Asif - 1 year Amir - 6 months Edited by Max Power - 03 November 2011 at 10:44am |
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Posted: 03 November 2011 at 10:57am |
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majeed: 2yrs 8 months
butt: 2yrs 6 months asif: 1yr months Aamir: 6 months Players all ordered to pay compensation towards cost of prosecution. Butt - £30,937. Asif - £8120. Amir £9389 Edited by flipper - 03 November 2011 at 11:03am |
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Posted: 03 November 2011 at 11:11am |
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BREAKING NEWS: Judge will correct sentence on AMIR. Aged 19, he cannot be jailed - he'll be detained at young offenders institution
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Mikey
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Posted: 03 November 2011 at 11:44am |
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They are all likely to only spend half that time locked up. Amir has gotten off reasonably lightly here, it is doubtful that all he did was bowl two no balls and he conspired to do nothing else. Nonetheless, I am satisfied with the mitigating circumstances used to reduce his sentence - his age, his lack of sophistication and education, and so forth. He has been banned 5 years by the ICC and that is likely to hurt much, much more.
For those of you who think Butt and the rest got off lightly, we also have to remember that the other 3 , including Majeed, are now virtually unemployable and seriously out of pocket as well. Their lives are ruined, regardless of the length of their jail sentence - nevertheless, 2 years is a lot of lost time. It does surprise me somewhat that the Pakistani government has made no steps to assist the 3 cricketers, as far as I know. I suspect the Pakistani public will be satisfied about that though , considering the shame placed on their nation. For me, the biggest shame is that they duped young Amir and now his life is in tatters. I am confident though that Butt and Asif knew exactly what they were doing. |
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Posted: 03 November 2011 at 12:17pm |
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I wouldn't say Amir was duped.
After Amir was interviewed by police and had his phone seized, he also used the mobile of agent Azhar Majeed to text another bookie in Pakistan.
The message said: “’Amir here. Don’t call my phone. ICC police have taken my phone. Are you able to delete those calls you made to me? If you can, do it OK. Don’t reply.” Sounds to me he was well in with it all.
Michael Holding on Sky sports... said Amir did not want to bowl the no ball.. he was being convinced to bowl it.... I could feel it.... even when I was watching the game. So how does Holding explain the text transcripts about the 'fix' between Amir and an unknown source in |
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Posted: 03 November 2011 at 12:29pm |
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Because an 18 year old country village kid, who could probably barely read and write wouldn't comprehend that bowling a no ball is cheating. He'd probably think 'aww yeh I put my foot over the line and I make some extra cash, but I can still take wickets with all my other deliveries...' Only when the ICC got involved I think he started to realise what was going on.
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Posted: 03 November 2011 at 12:49pm |
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The "poor, uneducated, naive country boy" schtick is exactly the same as was rolled out when Asif was found guilty of taking performance enhancing drugs if I recall rightly........
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Posted: 03 November 2011 at 1:00pm |
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"Some made excuses for Amir because he was only 18 when he transgressed. Age can never be an excuse.
"Amir was playing for his country at full international level and, when you do that, you have to be a grown man. G Swann. |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 03 November 2011 at 1:13pm |
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I agree. Age cannot be an excuse. Now hat they have been sentenced, it feels much better. But the test for the ICC and all the cricket boards begin now. All we want is a clean game.
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Mikey
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Posted: 03 November 2011 at 1:17pm |
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He is 1000000% guilty and deserves punishment - but I think his circumstances (and the fact he admitted guilt) do mitigate his culpability and that his punishment should be lower. All I'm saying is that I agree with the Justice that he should get off lighter than the others, especially Butt (who as captain should know better) and Asif (who is just a pest). Edited by Mikey - 03 November 2011 at 1:23pm |
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Posted: 03 November 2011 at 5:43pm |
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Jail sentences for bowling no-balls is a joke, no matter how "light" the sentences are. Butt especially has been treated very harshly, they may end up serving only half the time but even then it shouldn't have been on. I don't care what others say, take it on yourself and just think about it, there is no fun in this.
I strongly condemn what they have done, but stripping them off their careers and banning them for 5 years from cricket was a sufficient punishment. Jail, Jail for no balls??? God almighty!
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Posted: 03 November 2011 at 5:50pm |
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Mikey, mate there are bollywood stars here who have run over people driving drunk, killing them in the process and are making crores of ruppes every movie let alone being jailed, some stars who have been sentenced to be in jail but are still doing movies and shows every day, some politicians accused of creating riots and killing thousands of innocent people and they are ruling states... no rule says you can't face a court if you are an MP, but what I meant was that here when you are in power people kiss your feet and lick your Butt. |
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Mikey
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Posted: 04 November 2011 at 2:35am |
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That's corruption for you Sam. Quite normal in developing countries... but hopefully things change!
I don't agree Sam. They were making some serious money out of controlling factors in a game that are completely in their hands (e.g. bowling no balls). When McGrath bowled a no ball he used to swear at himself all the way back to his run up mark. For these guys, bowling a no ball means a few thousand pounds in their pocket. As I said above - Butt and Asif, after facing 30 months in jail and being banned from cricket for such a long time at such a senior age, are now unemployable and probably going to end up back in Pakistan on the family farm or something. Amir has been given a light of hope, 6 months locked up and then a 5 year ban... meaning he'll be back at around 23 years of age. He has a slight chance, but only if he finds support. Amir deserves it.... but as humans we also deserve to give people 2nd chances, as long as they TRY to rehabilitate themselves. |
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Posted: 04 November 2011 at 5:19am |
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Sam , what the 4 men did was a criminal act in the United Kingdom and they have been punished for it. They took money so that bookmakers could be defrauded out of millions by people in the know about the no-balls. They deserve jail and they should be grateful it's a British one they're going to and not one back home.
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A pretty boy like Asif wouldn't last a week in a Pakistani prison. In Britain they're likely to be placed in a low level security prison with the ability to contact family quite readily. The biggest punishment is loss of reputation and the fact they are now all virtually unemployable. They cheated and now they're paying the consequences. I find it hard to believe though that only 3 players are involved, especially considering one of them is the captain. Wahab Riaz, another fast bowler, could be equally guilty. We don't know exactly why Pakistan bans certain players (e.g. bans on Yousuf, Malik, etc). They may know things we don't know. |
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Posted: 04 November 2011 at 5:32am |
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There's more out there , that's for sure Mikey. As I've said before , I don't see the ICC vigorously following up on some of the findings of this case - they're scared of unearthing corruption on a massive scale.
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Posted: 04 November 2011 at 5:41am |
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This sort of corruption is big enough to destroy cricket. The fact that it is spot fixing and not match fixing does make it a little bit easier to swallow, but it's still disgusting. I think the PCB knows what's going on. Salman Butt made comments saying that some players had big houses and fancy cars and they weren't paid that much in their contracts to reflect those privileges. Certainly the players know what's going on... |
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Posted: 04 November 2011 at 7:01am |
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Sam boy. I understand your frustration but they have not been jailed for bowling the no balls. They have been jailed on account of fraud and cheating - and that is the law of the land, we have to respect that. They cheated millions around the world - do you think it is not severe enough a crime?
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Posted: 04 November 2011 at 9:51am |
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England This is a War Cry Prepare for Hell
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i live here in england and i am a pakistani ok the 3 players did wrong no doubt but the english media and former cricketers have made me sick yes our players did wrong and now have been jailed but how many times are u going to report it looks like skysports news and co are hell bent to destroy pakistan cricket the three got done for spot fixing but all u hear is match fixing excuse me am i missing something or is spot fixing and match fixing complete 2 diffrent things all the former english cricketers have said match fixing but im sorry enough is enough match fixing has nothing to do with it spot fixing is a complete diffrent thing although its illegal but thats what the three got done on so how have they cheated the nation or its fans by bowling 3 no balls they didnt throw the match away yes it is a crime but i think its been blown way out of proportion and had the stupid pcb acted straight away rather then hiding behind zardari ass none of this would of reached this stage im not saying the three are innocent but no way in hell did they deserve jail the crime was not that series at all its all been a massive agenda against our nation and our cricket the english are out to destroy and finish pakistans name from cricket if the pakistan team has any sharm or self respect they will crush this over rated scum on earth of a team england come on pakistan this is war rise like cornered tigers and bring the scum down to earth then we will see how there media report there ass getting whopped in uae especially that scum on earth botham u pray to allah pakistan give england a good hiding so we have the last laugh thats all and no matter what this is a messsge to the english media and its scums we are a proud nation we are team pakistan we have history unlike your scum team who no one watches dil dil pakistan all the way till the end
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Posted: 04 November 2011 at 5:45pm |
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I know guyz, I know they cheated, the only positive I see in this episode is that hopefully players will run away from the very place the mement they hear about "fixing".
Wahab Riaz and Kamran Akmal are in trouble, again another fast bowler in troublr and Wahab was arguably the second best behind Gul. will be interesting to see how thing shape up there. coming back to the trio, Is is not true that they will only be spending half the stated period in jail and will be released after that? I think on Good behavior they can avoid the remaining half of the sentence.
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Posted: 04 November 2011 at 8:16pm |
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yes, that is correct - it's what happens on most jail sentences
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Posted: 05 November 2011 at 2:47am |
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I guess it is hard to comment objectively on an issue that evokes so much emotion but I feel it was necessary that sentiment did not inform the verdict. I, like many others, feel a degree of sympathy for Amir. I'm not entirely sure about the extent of his involvement and participation but what I do know is that he deliberately and knowingly bowled no-balls at pre-determined times for financial reasons. An attempt to defraud bookmakers by means of prior arrangement meets the criteria for a criminal act and justice was appropriately meted out. It may very well have been a case of the naiveté of youth and of pressure leading young men to commit acts they wouldn't otherwise indulge in. Nevetheless, the facts remain unchanged and showing leniency, motivated by compassion, sets a dangerous precedent. Whether prison is a deterrent or not is irrelevant, the punishment needs to reflect the severity of the crime.
With regards to Butt and Asif, they got everything they deserved and I feel not even a vestige of sympathy for them. I hope we get to see Amir wearing international colours again someday. Whether he should have been handed a life ban is a separate question but to see incredible, raw talent go to waste is a shame for international cricket. This is compounded by the fact that in a few years, many of the current superstars of the game would have retired and cricket as a whole will be in a re-building phase, desperately searching for talent that can live up to the impressive feats of the giants of yesteryear. Amir was undoubtedly one such talent, I am fully convinced that he would have gone on to become the best bowler in the world at some point in his career and he would have emulated the achievements of Wasim Akram. Presently, it is doubtful if he will even represent Pakistan again. What do you guys think? |
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Posted: 05 November 2011 at 3:47am |
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What do I think? I think you're the best poster to come on here in a long time. Good posts, keep it up.
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Posted: 05 November 2011 at 6:28am |
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I am with you Spinny. A real nice addition to the forum. Keep it up mate.
I do not know if Amir will be able to come back. He will have to practice day in day out for the next five years to keep his art going. There is enough sympathy for him here in Pakistan and he will be accepted once he has served his ban.
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