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    Posted: 15 December 2010 at 12:54pm
So the ICC have today announced that they are considering the use of lie detectors to try and help in the fight against corruption in cricket. The recommendations will be considered by the board in February.

Other suggestions include:
  • legalising the betting markets in India (which in the long term may help the situation, but then it may just move the issue to the middle east betting markets)
  • the inclusion of anti corruption clauses in all contracts (I'm amazed this isn't already in place)
  • captains to take more responsibility (boards should put their hands up too while we're at it!)
One thing is for sure though, if this continues the sport is going to continue declining, no one wants to watch sport where the outcome may have been predetermined.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kirankri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 December 2010 at 9:35am

If they decide to use the lie detectors, it would be a very good move. And they have to use it right away.

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Lie detectors pretty much suck.
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The findings about the three Pakistani bowlers will be released next week. All sympathy for the youngster Amir , from my side has disappeared as he was photographed on the first day of the tribunal in jeans and a T shirt which depicted a marijuana leaf and the slogan "legalise it" emblazoned on it. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2011 at 7:08am
Not at all Sledge - he definitely has a very low IQ. Don't think he knows much about the leaf or the meaning of whatever was written on his shirt though. The D-day is fast approaching - from what I hear from the local media is that Amir may get a 2 year ban, Asif 5 year and Butt 10 years. Just hope that justice is done - no matter what happens.
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Not what I've read mate !   Life bans for Asif and Butt and 5 years for Amir.  We'll know by the end of next week.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2011 at 12:33pm
Amir certainly not the brightest in the book if he did that indeed!
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He certainly did do that Spinny. But I dont blame him much n this case - he for sure is illiterate.
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I just hope there are no life bans but any ban on Asif and Butt will end their careers so it doesn't matter really. Aamer may re start his career after 4-5 years. They will appeal in the CAS though.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 February 2011 at 2:36am
These days I often visit pakpassion, although I never post there. The PAK fas have mixed reactions on this entire episode i feel, which really is sad because these three were perhaps the best three players that PAK had to offer, certainly Asif and Aamer were, and Butt for sure was a terrific leader, someone who could have done wonders for team PAK in the long run.
 
I'll be in tears this saturday if these three are banned, it is difficult to face this just before the WC. I wonder what PAK players will go though with just 2 weeks to go for the WC. This can have a major impact on the morale of the team as well.


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I certainly wont be in tears if they are found guilty. You dont cry for cheaters - do you? As much as I want Amir back, I want justice done - no matter what it takes, it should be fair and square. Bring on the 5th Feb.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 February 2011 at 10:07am
Well said zuhair , the guilty shouldn't expect any sympathy.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 February 2011 at 2:02pm
Sam, there's no need to cry, it's just a sport, as with everything, life goes on!!
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Their careers are on the line spinny, wheather they have done it or not, I'll be shattered if they can't play cricket again. Had it been anyone I'd have still felt bad, be it any country any player... and these three were the ones I loved most.
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If these players had not done all this mess we would probably be one of the favorites for this World cup   
Yup, there is no need to cry for these cheaters but I'll cry for Aamer and i will not be able to stop my tears.
I hope that this frail team produce some good results for WC.
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Aside from the ICC verdict, the UK Crown Prosecution Service has announced that all 3 players are going to be prosecuted for "conspiracy to obtain and accept corrupt payments, and conspiracy to cheat".
 
Given how long this has been coming, you have to assume the CPS is pretty sure of its case.
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Yes Clobs , they must fear the worst tomorrow.
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To me, it is the ICC's decision that counts the most - anything that follows, I would not be interested if they are found guilty of wrongdoings.

A news channel here claims to have the copy of verdict which shows Butt baned for life, Asif for 10 years and Amir for five. Pretty much curtains for all of them if thats true.
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If Amir has 5, he still have donkey years ahead of him but being out of Cricket that long professionally might make him lose a good bit of touch so maybe you have a point.  He's got plenty natural talent so at least if he loses touch, he won't lose it so much like we ordinary guys.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote flipper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 February 2011 at 5:05pm
I guess they didn't believe the story about having money for a sisters wedding?
Scotland Yard doesn't charge somebody if they don't have proof that they have done it. A CPS charge is a massive hint that the evidence against them is solid.
Jail sentences cannot be discounted here, I wonder if Amir will wear a marijuana shirt to court?Wink
Obtaining and accepting corrupt payments is an offence contrary to section 1 of the Prevention of Corruption Act 1906. It carries a maximum sentence of seven years’ imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine at the Crown Court.
Cheating is an offence contrary to section 42 of the Gambling Act 2005. It carries a maximum sentence of two years’ imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine at the Crown Court.
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These guys are in deep ****, deep deep ****!
 
one point I'd like to make, how good is the ICC or member countries system of educating players about the concequences of corruption or violating the anti corruption code?
 
I'm saying this because this is very important, someone like Aamer must have been 8-9 years old when the Hansie Cronje episode broke out, he is mostly an illiterate and hasn't been around for long either to know much about the anti corruption code and all that. I wonder if he was aware of the seriousness of the crime that he was committing. This further degrades the role of a well educated and experienced Salman Butt because he has literally dragged a young kid into **** and has ruined his career.
 
Aamer deserves some sympathy, and if the education system is not proper then the ICC and the PCB are also responsible to some extent for this mess. After all the ICC will hate to see a talent like Aamer or Asif go out and never play again, so there has to be a very thorough education / information programme, esp for Pakistani cricketers  because most of them are not properly educated and come from poor backgrounds.


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I agree sam, they are up to their necks in it.

Sorry but I must disagree with the rest of your post sam.

Why should someone be literate to understand the difference between right and wrong / good or bad?

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The three Pakistan cricketers charged with corruption offences – Salman Butt, Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Amir – are considering asking an independent tribunal to delay its verdict on accusations of spot-fixing brought by the ICC.

Sources have indicated that lawyers for the players are considering their options in Doha this afternoon and may make an application to adjourn to Beloff before he delivers the tribunal verdict.

The ICC has indicated today that Beloff intends to proceed with the hearing as planned,Clap but he will be required to consider any application from the players’ defence teams.

 

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1. Amal, Yes it is bad that such incident happened, but Asif has been for long time, Aamir almost played for 1 year . Pakistan was never a world beater when they were there, How could they be fav's if all this mess had not happened?
 
2. Aamir was good, Asif good in helpul conditions. If you say Best available/Great bowler - plain NO , they were just good , easily replaceable.
 
3. Aamir played one year, what happened to Ajanta mendis after 1st successful year , what happened to Tait ... there are lot of youngsters who come with bang only to lose rythem in few seasons time.Aamir can come back as he will be about 25-27 y.o  (I think he is already 21/22, not sure if he is 18/19 ). If they have realised their mistakes, then I will be happy to see them make a comeback for serving the term.Didn't Shane Warne come back ?
 
4. I wonder if they had accepted the truth , would the quantum of punishment would be less ?
 
I feel bad for them,wish this had not happened at all. Everyone makes mistakes, to err is human,  but there are some mistakes whose punishments are severe and unfortunately this is a serious one.Cricket has to see this day.
 
It's not about Pakistan, this is about Cricket. Any player getting banned from any country is indeed a disturbing thing, but then this is how the game has to be cleaned.
 
I just hope they realise their wrong doings, may god give them courage to face and relive a good life in whatever future plans they have.
 
Indeed this a sad day... the 5th of Feb.


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Originally posted by flipper

I agree sam, they are up to their necks in it.

Sorry but I must disagree with the rest of your post sam.

Why should someone be literate to understand the difference between right and wrong / good or bad?

 
I agree. He would know what he was doing is wrong, but did he realize how serious a crime that was? did he realize that his career could be over? That is what my point is flipper.
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Hearing at Doha in underwat, Aamer's lawyer says he is "surprised" at the timing of the CPS announcement of charging the players.
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No Raj Mendis performances are going down with every match like our openers but Aamer's performance was improving with every match. He was an ordinary bowler at the start but he was improving continuously. This is what i think, maybe you think other way.
Anyway whatever is going to happen with these guys, it will be good for Pakistani cricket. Atleast every player will now think 100 times before doing any mess like this and we will be able to watch clean cricket.
But i am crying These stupid guys have ruined their own career. Iam feeling for them
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 February 2011 at 10:15am
Good Point on Aamer and Mendis Amal, but no point in explaining to Raj, acoording to him no pakistani can ever be a good cricketer!
 
Anyways, rumours are that the veridict may be postponed until after the CPS investications / case. (how long could it possibly take? 1 year or very long 5-6 years???)
 
This is now getting interesting.
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Hehe so it means that I'm developing an ability to talk on cricket with time
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